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#1350779
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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FreezingTNT2 said:

Hal 9000 said:

Yeah, I don’t know though. If a thousand generations live in her and she’s trying to commune with past Jedi, I guess it’d have to be more than like four guys.

I’m not sure what the canon explanation will end up being, though.

I suppose one of Anakin’s lines could be trimmed thus: “Restore the balance, Rey (, as I once did).”

Given how the sequel trilogy planned out, the only natural interpretation would seem to be that Rey ended up as the chosen one. Given TLJ especially, the prophecy thing is a bit misguided, though its nonfundamentalistic essence can be valid in the sense that anyone could be. One could argue that Anakin failed, though did come to redemption. Luke did likewise in a way. Then, the Force awakened in Rey who went on to embody all the Jedi and decisively destroy the Sith. How could it be otherwise, in hindsight? That’s how religious prophecies tend to go IMHO: they are people groups grappling with their realities, and the details are best taken somewhat loosely.

So, Anakin beckoning her to restore the balance can lend some credence to that. Sort of like how Qui-Gon in LOE encouraging Yoda to “complete what [he] could not” implies that the chosen one remains as potential for the future (Luke, supposedly at that point).

cough There’s voice-over of Ahsoka Tano and she likely died after the originals and before the events of The Rise of Skywalker and that’s more than four… cough

Not so fast there Filoni hinted that shes alive after Episode 9

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#1350776
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Idea: A TLJ Edit to please everybody?
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idir_hh said:

In fairness to KK, she tried her best to push TFA to 2016, adding a year which would have allowed for a more thought out trilogy.
Disney was eager to make back their 4 billion dollar investment so they demanded a late 2015 release.
Ultimately it was Disney’s greed that was the downfall of this trilogy.

Disney played a part yes. But KK is the one that allowed all directors to do their own thing. KK is the one that DID NOT WANT LUKE IN EPISODE 7 because he would take away the attention from the new characters. Even with Disneys demands what happened is still on KK. No schedule demands are responsible for Crazy KKs terrible creative decisions only Crazy KK is responsible

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#1350765
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Idea: A TLJ Edit to please everybody?
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Panakin said:

The Crap Jedi is the Batman v Superman of Star Wars.

And not TRoS, which is literally co-written by the guy who co-wrote Batman v Superman?

And yeah, I agree with others’ sentiment. Your negativity and namecalling has place here.

TLJ is what STARTED the downward spiral of this whole thing because BOTH men refused to work with each other so no this is all on TLJ. I would happily blame the person in charge that allowed an unplanned work as you go trilogy 2 begin with but that is a no no because the person in charge is a woman & gets no blame. So RJ & TLJ gets the most of it. JJA gets some of it & Crazy KK gets a weeeee little bit of it. So gotta start with RJ & TLJ getting the bulk of the blame

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#1350454
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy

Luke’s mistake had nothing to do with flawed prequel Jedi teachings. We have no evidence, frankly, that these conversations didn’t happen. In fact, all evidence points to Luke’s Jedi being a more conscientious bunch.

Kylo turned because he was corrupted by Palpatine, in secret. He was already ass deep in it when Luke went to confront him. Luke’s bad reaction to sensing this pushed him over the edge, sure, but it wasn’t the entire reason, and it had nothing to do with Luke inheriting the flaws of the old Jedi.

Ben Solo is not Anakin Skywalker. He didn’t fall because of some desperate, obsessive desire to save a loved one. Ben Solo fell to the dark side because a) Palpatine had been speaking to him in his head, whispering in his ear, since childhood, feeding his doubts and insecurities, and b) because Ben Solo believed his bloodline, his ‘inheritance’ made him better than his fellow Jedi.

The movies make this pretty clear, honestly. He processes everything through the lens of ‘I am the most important person in this story’. He obsesses with Anakin’s saber, seeing as his birthright. He obsesses over Vader’s legacy and his artifacts. When he tries to turn Rey, it’s ‘you don’t have a place in this story’. He claims to want to destroy the past, but he can’t, because Kylo Ren is obsessed with his role as the inheritor of legacies. It’s a core facet of who Kylo Ren is.

Anakin would have seen what was happening with Ben like Yoda saw what was going on with Luke. Anakin gets through 2 Ben by explaining things with his own words. These movies as is are just bad fan fiction

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#1350449
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

The Jedi are also about saving & helping people & if the Jedi of old could & (they can) help avoid Kylo Ren & more Darth Vaders they would have in PROPERLY MADE MOVIES

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#1350448
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

Oh, you mean like Qui-Gon’s ghost showed up to tell Luke or Obi-Wan what to change about their teachings? We all remember that scene in the original trilogy. It was one of my favourites.

Also, original research will always trump a ghost lecturing you in terms of comprehensive knowledge. Jedi are monks, baby. They’re all ABOUT that research. They’re a bunch of hot nerds with laser swords, after all.

In movies THAT GAVE A DAMN ABOUT CONTINUITY yes the Ghosts would show up & guide Luke & help him avoid making the same mistakes & AVOID making more Darth Vaders for the sake of the Galaxy

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#1350439
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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omnimuffin said:

Panakin said:

Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

I mean, not in their entire. The obsession with their dogma and their connection to the corrupt Republic was the flaw. The core ideas- peacekeeping, empathy, justice, standing against the dark- these are good, and pure, and they were part of the Jedi long before the Republic crumble beneath its own weight.

Plus, it’s easier to know what flaws of the old ways to avoid if you, uh, know what the old ways are. You know what they say- ‘those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it’.

But Yoda already learned the old Jedi ways did not work. Qui-Gon KNEW the old ways didnt work. Yoda & Qui-Gon alone would show up & explain things. This simply is not any other franchise. The old ways would be completely avoided in proper movies that gave a damn about decent story telling

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#1350417
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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axlanian said:

Panakin said:
Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

Yes, but in TLJ he says failure is the greatest teacher of all. Rey would need to learn exactly what the Jedi did to understand how it failed.

In any other franchise sure. But when Yoda & Obi-Wan & Qui-Gon & Anakin & Luke can show up as Force Ghosts at any given time. They would not let any future generations repeat their mistakes & they can explain things. TCJ is a terrible movie for any PT & OT character

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#1350404
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (WIP)
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Why not cut out 3P0s memory thing altogether. Perhaps Photoshop in the dagger & the Planet its on in Reys book ? Also instead of the book being about the old Jedi order teachings & lessons. Why not simply have it be about powerful force objects / weapons / force training & learning specific moves etc. It never sat right with me that Yoda would want the old ways of the Jedi 2 continue. Wasn’t part of the PT & OT all about Yoda learning the old ways were flawed & problematic ?

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#1350392
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A Palpatine-less Edit of The Rise of Skywalker (Released)
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So how does Kylo find out about the Fleet ? How does Rey find out what Kylo knows & whats her new quest exactly ? Does Kylo need a new fleet ? Wouldnt it make more sense if he was searching out perhaps rumored Dark Siders / Force Users or something like that ? Or better yet instead of Palpatine himself how about rumored Palpatine descendants

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#1350384
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Idea: A TLJ Edit to please everybody?
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JakeRyan17 said:

Panakin said:

DigMod said:

The only way I’d say you could please (most) everyone is a project that mimicked the choose your own adventure like what I understand Black Mirror Bandersnatch did.

This is Star Wars not Goosebumps

Abrams’ films were childish and horrific… maybe it is Goosebumps! 😜

I could say my thoughts on Ruin Johnsons film but Id probably get banned with all of the cursing, insults & name calling Id just end up making toward Ruin Johnson so I’ll hold myself back. The Crap Jedi is the Batman v Superman of Star Wars. The less I say about that stupid shit the better

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#1336712
Topic
Unusual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Perhaps someone could try making Reylo work a little better by having Ben NOT be Han & Leias kid ? Make Rey & Ben both former students of Lukes that Luke thought died & he would have no idea they are alive since he immediately cut himself off from the force. Make them both connected more by giving them similar back stories & make them both orphans. To explain the Leia & Rey hug in TFA have it so that Leia & Han could not have had kids & this is why they divorced. Leia during her visits with Luke got attached to Rey as a kid & Han while he visited Luke got along with Ben & they were both helping Luke with rough around the edges students. Luke would obviously let his students still stay in touch & visit family etc

Explain it all in the crawl