Oldfan

Dark_jedi, I replied to your message so check your messages. Sorry I’m a bit late replying - I’ve been busy with the new PC.

Glad to hear so much hard work is going into this release. I’m sure it will show when it gets released.

Good news that it’s getting a US release later. But don’t let that discourage you. We have no idea what they will use for masters, compression, etc., so we have no idea how it will look. Hopefully they will do a great job but I’m still looking forward to your release.

Yeah, I’ve always been a huge fan of this movie. It has some problems but there’s never been another film before or since that looks or feels like this one. It almost has a dream/nightmare quality to it. I think I’ve gathered a pretty awesome collection of extras for dark_jedi to use. I’m still digging, too. This should be an amazing release for sure when it’s all put together.

SilverWook said:

Another thing that might be worth hunting down is the comic book. (If there are decent scans out there.) It actually lasted long enough to show what happens after the movie ends.

There was also a separate newspaper strip adaptation done by Jack Kirby.

I’ve already provided dark_jedi the highest quality scans I could find of the comic books. There are actually some very high-quality scans out there of some of the comics. There were actually several different releases of the comic books, all using the same artwork, with some releases having far better printing than others. There were a total of 4 comics - the first 2 being a comic adaptation of the film (parts 1 & 2) and the other 2 showing further adventures on the other side of the black hole. They were actually pretty poor in terms of artwork and stories, but still definitely worth including as extras.

The Jack Kirby newspaper comics are totally different than the other comics released, and are extremely rare. The artwork is far better. I have searched and searched and searched and found nothing online but a few very small low-res sample pages. I don’t think a full set ever got scanned and uploaded online. I’ve searched absolutely everywhere and turned up nothing but people asking about them. In 2007, Disney published some of the strips with new coloring in their Disney Zone digest magazine. They never completed the run.

SilverWook said:

Sorry I’ve fallen behind on things. I’ve captured the old Black Hole LD. I’m actually going to do it again, because the LDDB entry suggests that the CX noise reduction was botched, so a second capture with CX turned off would be prudent.
http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/00559/11AS/Black-Hole-The
I really wish I had the Japanese LD issued a few years later to compare with it.

Also, some damage to the 35mm print they used must have affected the soundtrack in one tiny spot, as Old B.O.B saying schedule is garbled.

I have found my Anchor Bay box set, and will try to take pictures this weekend. I will see if the VHS audio mistracks as bad a I remember. Worth a try on my newer Panasonic AG-1980. Maybe I can capture the garbled line?

I also looked through what little vinyl I still have in hopes of finding the “story of” record, but no luck. However, I did find my copy of this:

http://www.mousevinyl.com/content/walt-disney-studios-sounds-outerspace-disneyland-records
This came out two years after the movie, and used many sound effects from the film. I actually used my copy for a couple projects back in college. 😃
I’m willing to loan out my record for a transfer, so long as I get a lossless copy.

Actually, I’ve already captured both the “story of” record and the readalong record in lossless, since I own both, so that’s already taken care of. Dark_Jedi already has the files. The record you showed above has some great cover art for sure. I’ve seen the cover before online but I’ve never heard the album. I’d offer to transfer the album in lossless, but honestly I’d be very nervous trusting your album to come through the mail. I’ve had a lot of Christmas packages damaged pretty badly this past December due to rough handling by the UPS and USPS delivery guys. I’d feel pretty awful if your record got damaged during transit. I’ve bought very few records in the past several years but one I did buy arrived smashed a few years ago. The mail guys in my area treat packages very roughly.

dark_jedi said:

SilverWook said:

No difference, just uncompressed.

Another thought for Black Hole extras. Archive.org has nearly the complete run of Starlog magazine, and they did several articles devoted to the film at the time.
https://archive.org/details/starlogmagazine

That is cool for sure and right up there with what we do, but I have no idea what issues and probably to expensive to get and then to try and scan.

I’ve got this covered - it’s all included in the extras package I put together. The details are in the PM I sent you.

Dark_jedi, I just sent you a new PM. Everything I have is ready to go when you are. I put a ton of high-quality extras together for you. Hopefully some of it will prove useful to you for this project.

dark_jedi said:

Absolutely they can be of some use, would love to see them and add them if possible.

PM sent.

Interesting. The overscan is unfortunate, but not a big deal when you take into account how much better the quality is. Keep up the good work! I know these projects must seem daunting and I can’t imagine how time consuming they must be.

I’m very excited to see this film getting some attention. It deserves far better treatment than it has gotten over the years. I’m glad to see the overture is staying, too.

I own a rare full-color Japanese movie program for The Black Hole, and I scanned the pages several years ago. It’s all in Japanese of course but there are several great pieces of art and some fantastic cut-aways of the Cygnus and robots. I will gladly offer those scans if they would be of any use to this project. Let me know. I’ll keep a close eye on this thread for sure.

Glad to hear you’re stepping back from using DNR. It will be easier for you and the results will be better. I’m looking forward to seeing how this turns out.

sunday256 said:

Let me preface this by saying,

I was there in 1977. So that speaks to my age.

I'm a prequel sympathizer. I enjoy them all, but at my current age I also have some minor qualms with all 6 of the movies.

So now to the new trailer..

IT SUCKED! Too much rehash from the teasers and not enough of what made the previous 6 trailers great. I get that this isn't the film, but the trailer should give us some idea what the movie is about. I got none of that from this trailer. It's an extended teaser as far as I'm concerned. There needs to be more dialogue for one, or at least a voice over narrative to take us through the general points of the film.

The film may or may not suck, but the trailer did not serve it's purpose as far as I'm concerned.

This is the first time as a Star Wars fan I've been underwhelmed by a Star Wars trailer. And hopefully, the last.

 I completely disagree. Why would I need them to spoil everything with dialogue that ruins all the plot points for me? Trailers give away too much as it is. I don't need it to be narrated. I like trailers like this far better. Nothing is worse than trailers packed with dialogue scenes that tell us everything that happens in the movie.

I think there is a problem with this disc.

I'm using makemKV to losslessly extract the film to .mkv to play on my external media player, but I'm getting an error during extraction:

"The source file '/BDMV/STREAM/00001.m2ts' is corrupt or invalid at offset 2391048192, attempting to work around"

There must be an error at that segment of the file. Can anybody check into this if possible?

jsonthegreat said:

D-Rock said:

mt17 said:

TripleHBK said:

Oldfan said:

TripleHBK said:

This isn't my creation, it was given to me by another forum member "jsonthegreat" from Blu-ray.com shortly after the release of the collection.

 The reason for the 2 separate sources (one DVD & One Blu Ray) is that one eye is from the dvd (I can't remember which, but let's call it the left) and one from the Blu Ray (Let's call it the Right).  The reason is that when 3D is filmed with a dual camera setup 2 separate perspectives are created and For whatever reason, the DVD used the Left eye perspective, while the Blu Ray used the right eye perspective.  The fact that both perspectives were available meant they could be assembled into a fully functioning Real 3d image, and not just one that was post processed into 3D.  

Again, I didn't do any of the work myself, so I can't go into specifics beyond what I've said as I really don't know much more but from what I was told, the DVD was scaled and synced with the Blu Ray release.

I'm unaware if this was ever released publicly on any sites or newsgroups. The creator was banned from the forum shortly after talking about it, and I haven't seen him since.  I was fortunate enough to be one of the few folks that got a copy prior to him getting the boot, so I really don't know how many other people have copies.  

I'd be happy to share for those interested but need to find a viable method for sharing.  I may try the sendspace multiple link route that TeamBlu has used in the past, as I don't want to permanently host a torrent, nor am I really interested in mailing out copies. With that said, I'll look into what other options I have, and see if I can't get this hosted somewhere.  

One solution may be for interested parties to create their own mega.co.nz accounts as I believe I could transfer the files to new accounts from my my account without it counting towards individual bandwidth limits, but I'm not sure on that.  The file is 11GB in size.  I've used my Plex media server to stream it previously myself though I have a copy burned to bd-r as well.  Ideally, someone would be interested in taking this and turning it into a full release with menu and extra's and possibly the 2D version all on a BD-50, but for now that's wishful thinking.

 

I'm one of the other lucky few that manged to get a copy before he stopped posting there. We actually exchanged pm's about the project. I gave him some thoughts I had on the transfer, along with some timecodes of when there are glitches and errors. He replied back that he was planning on tweaking the final version but he never posted it to my knowledge.

I watched it on my 3D tv, and it was indeed spectacular. Keep in mind that it is flawed though. One of the sources was the DVD and the DVD has a different color palette to it than the blu-ray. So the right and left eye each see a different master with different coloring and brightness. When seen together your eyes merge them together fairly seamlessly for the most part. That also means the DVD side has less sharpness and resolution due to it being sourced from DVD.

A bigger issue is that a fair amount of footage in this fan release is in 2D, not 3D. For whatever reason, many of the shots use the same eye in both the DVD and blu-ray - which means that throught the 3D presentation, it will randomly switch to 2D, then back to 3D in the following shot. The glasses of course will remain active - but the image itself will be flat. Thankfully most of the 3D gimmick shots are preserved wonderfully in full 3D, but a couple gimmick shots that stick out of the screen are sadly in 2D. Most of the shots in 2D are quick - the majority of the film is still in amazing 3D - but there are a fair number of shots - some just a few seconds, some longer - that aren't in 3D.

It's still the best 3D presentation you are likely to see of this movie, ever, until Paramount or Warner decides to release this properly in 3D.

 I appreciate the info and I'm glad someone else has gotten to appreciate his work.  With that said, I've nearly gotten the full file uploaded on mega.co.nz so I'll be testing my theory shortly on whether I can share with other mega users or not.

 Please share soon!

 I'd be very interested in this as well. I have heard of some of these floating around, but I haven't been able to find them...

Hey, wait a second... I wasn't banned :-P

Yes, I did put together a 1080p 3D Side-by-Side mkv file of Friday the 13th 3D utilizing Adobe Premiere and available source elements (The UK Blu-Ray, and the Ultimate Edition DVD). It was going good and I created the first version of this for beta testing and sent it to a few users on blu-ray.com.

Then lightning struck. Literally. My house was hit by a lightning strike which fried my computer AND my backup drive. In addition to many personal photos and design projects, I lost the source files and the premiere files for this project. After that, I disappeared from the forums and sulked for a while. But, recently, I was able to recover the mkv file from an external drive I had put it on when I was testing it on my television. 

I'm still trying to decide what to do with it... perhaps I will upload it somewhere and try and fix any problems in it that are noticed.

Wow, that's some bad news. Sorry to hear about that.

I'm the one that sent you a bunch of detailed notes with timeframes on blu-ray.com regarding your 3D mkv. If it would help, I still have the notes I sent you, so I could pm them to you here if you'd like. I'm not sure if they would do any good, depending on if you were able to recover the source files or if you just have the mkv. The biggest issue might be out of your hands - many, many shots are obviously not in 3D. It switches back and forth a lot, and I suspect it's due to the left and right prints that were used for the DVD and blu-ray. For whatever reason, one print or the other may have used bits and pieces of the other eye for whatever reason. That's just a guess. I watched it again recently and the 3D really is outstanding. It's just the 2D bits in-between that hurt the presentation, but that may be out of your control. Let me know.

I'd be more interested in a version that doesn't look like stop-motion. Great movie almost ruined by the odd choice to mess with the framerate for artistic reasons.

So many armchair critics, lol.

I know I'm late to the party, but I thought the clip looks stunning. I don't think the spider is distracting at all. Dagobah is a swamp filled with who knows how many lifeforms. I think it's a great establishing shot, immediately giving us a feel for just how teeming that swamp is with life. The spider is very slow moving, and it's not what I consider distracting at all. Sure, everyone is noticing it now, because it's new, so of course everyone is focusing on it because they're used to it not being there. That doesn't mean it's a bad thing that you notice it.

I don't think the shot is too long, either. Seriously, we're only talking like an extra second or two. Just how short are people's attention spans when they think an extra second or two drags the scene out? i think the extended shot is nice because it gives your eyes time to take it all in. Often in newer Hollywood films I find myself wishing they would give me a bit more time with some establishing shots, instead of rushing through everything so fast I don't even have time to take it in.

I'm amazed at how seamlessly that shot blends in with the film. Great job as always!

Glad to hear you're sticking with it. This will be a great project when it's completed.

From screenshots I've seen and from what I've read in one of the a/v video forums, the Japanese T2 has a small aspect ratio issue - it is slightly stretched or squished - I can't remember which now. I was just reading about it a few months ago. Can anybody confirm this? It was pretty slight- you wouldn't notice it unless you saw the comparison screenshots, but still, the aspect ratio is off a tiny bit.

It will be curious to see how the Shout disc turns out. I'm hoping the image will be brighter than the current official release.

SilverWook said:

Shout Factory did Amityville 3-D as part of a box set, so it's not impossible. That had the benefits of being part of a horror franchise though.

Sadly Shout botched the Amityville 3D release. It's pretty spectacular overall, but they used an unfinished, botched open titles sequence that doesn't work properly in 3D, which is why they re-did the opening titles for the theatrical release. The print Shout used must have been from a near-release print. It is also missing one 3D visual effect (an insect flying out of the screen). Shout also didn't bother to hire somebody to see that the transfer is aligned properly, so there is some vertical alignment issues throughout. It still looks pretty great though.

TripleHBK said:

This isn't my creation, it was given to me by another forum member "jsonthegreat" from Blu-ray.com shortly after the release of the collection.

 The reason for the 2 separate sources (one DVD & One Blu Ray) is that one eye is from the dvd (I can't remember which, but let's call it the left) and one from the Blu Ray (Let's call it the Right).  The reason is that when 3D is filmed with a dual camera setup 2 separate perspectives are created and For whatever reason, the DVD used the Left eye perspective, while the Blu Ray used the right eye perspective.  The fact that both perspectives were available meant they could be assembled into a fully functioning Real 3d image, and not just one that was post processed into 3D.  

Again, I didn't do any of the work myself, so I can't go into specifics beyond what I've said as I really don't know much more but from what I was told, the DVD was scaled and synced with the Blu Ray release.

I'm unaware if this was ever released publicly on any sites or newsgroups. The creator was banned from the forum shortly after talking about it, and I haven't seen him since.  I was fortunate enough to be one of the few folks that got a copy prior to him getting the boot, so I really don't know how many other people have copies.  

I'd be happy to share for those interested but need to find a viable method for sharing.  I may try the sendspace multiple link route that TeamBlu has used in the past, as I don't want to permanently host a torrent, nor am I really interested in mailing out copies. With that said, I'll look into what other options I have, and see if I can't get this hosted somewhere.  

One solution may be for interested parties to create their own mega.co.nz accounts as I believe I could transfer the files to new accounts from my my account without it counting towards individual bandwidth limits, but I'm not sure on that.  The file is 11GB in size.  I've used my Plex media server to stream it previously myself though I have a copy burned to bd-r as well.  Ideally, someone would be interested in taking this and turning it into a full release with menu and extra's and possibly the 2D version all on a BD-50, but for now that's wishful thinking.

I'm one of the other lucky few that manged to get a copy before he stopped posting there. We actually exchanged pm's about the project. I gave him some thoughts I had on the transfer, along with some timecodes of when there are glitches and errors. He replied back that he was planning on tweaking the final version but he never posted it to my knowledge.

I watched it on my 3D tv, and it was indeed spectacular. Keep in mind that it is flawed though. One of the sources was the DVD and the DVD has a different color palette to it than the blu-ray. So the right and left eye each see a different master with different coloring and brightness. When seen together your eyes merge them together fairly seamlessly for the most part. That also means the DVD side has less sharpness and resolution due to it being sourced from DVD.

A bigger issue is that a fair amount of footage in this fan release is in 2D, not 3D. For whatever reason, many of the shots use the same eye in both the DVD and blu-ray - which means that throught the 3D presentation, it will randomly switch to 2D, then back to 3D in the following shot. The glasses of course will remain active - but the image itself will be flat. Thankfully most of the 3D gimmick shots are preserved wonderfully in full 3D, but a couple gimmick shots that stick out of the screen are sadly in 2D. Most of the shots in 2D are quick - the majority of the film is still in amazing 3D - but there are a fair number of shots - some just a few seconds, some longer - that aren't in 3D.

It's still the best 3D presentation you are likely to see of this movie, ever, until Paramount or Warner decides to release this properly in 3D.

Thanks for the visual. I'm just amazed that there isn't some type of "seam" visible where the images are merged. Very impressive. Thanks a ton for sharing this with us.

Thanks for the comparison image. I think I like the blu-ray's color grading better, based on that one shot. But it's only a single shot so it's tough to say for sure without seeing the whole blu-ray or more comparison shots. The blu-ray does seem grainier though. Blu-ray.com has a review also now, with more screenshots (they hated the film).

I'm not against grain by any means, but the blu-ray seems excessive. Then again, if that's how the film was meant to look, I  don't have a problem with it.

I'm still trying to figure out how exactly you managed to get the final result with the opened matte image. How did you merge the sources, and how is it so seamless?