That's what I mean by torches. We must agree with you or it must be "trolling." But yes, I do get that distinct feeling you get when you wandered into the wrong bar. Should have known better.
Can't go to TFN. Mods have bias against you if you don't like Abrams/Disney. The prequels to me are no more faulted than the OT, and I don't really consider things faults, like hyperspace issues, etc. So, I don't really play the "prequels are worse" game. I don't care if people agree with me as long as the torches don't come out.
Apparently, forums are only for people who agree. No better than TFN. Enjoy your anti-prequel, anti-Lucas echo chamber. Bye. (Thanks to those who appreciate diversity, but you're too few to make this a party.)
Mark looks great. It almost makes me want to see the film. But I won't be fooled. It is an Abrams. It can only annoy me.
It's pretty sad to see Star Wars come to this, but it's the only way the prequels will get their fair appreciation. Disney represents EXACTLY what most people want. And when they get it, they will finally appreciate the prequels for what they are, which is something less populist, but more intelligent.
"^Trolling?"
No. I think it's pretty funny that you don't assume someone on a Star Wars message board is honest in really taking George Lucas seriously as an artist. Once you get to know me, you'll know I'm serious in my admiration of the work of George Lucas. I'm very out of step with popular opinion in more ways than that. Can you believe that I didn't like The Dark Knight!? Gasp!
"Along with a myriad of other inabilities and demons Lucas was tangling with, he never understood what made Star Wars77 connect with the audience. Like you pointed out, it was the simplicity. It was fun. It was an escape. It wasn't a government\economics course."
He understood that, he just didn't want to make the rest of the story simple fun. Defeating the Empire and rescuing princesses is more simple fun than the rise of an Empire and someone falling into evil. In reality, 4-6 are not just simple fun either when taken in broader context. He's on record that he knew the prequels would not be as populist as 4-6. It's not always about fun escapism and populism. This is the guy that brought us THX1138. He wants to warn individuals about society, not cater to society. He can't just pump out fun movies and do nothing else with Star Wars. The sequels weren't supposed to be as fun either.
"If the first trilogy is social and political and talks about how society evolves," Lucas says, "Star Wars is more about personal growth and self-realisation, and the third deal with moral and philosophical problems. In Star Wars, there is a very clear line drawn between good and evil. Eventually you have to face the fact that good and evil aren't that clear-cut and the real issue is trying to understand the difference. The sequel is about Jedi knighthood, justice, confrontation, and passing on what you have learned."
And let's face it, if Star Wars 1977 had special effects like Logan's Run, it would not have been a smash hit. The special effects sold it to the masses. Spectacle. Circus. Attractions. The special effects were a breakthrough sensation. That's why everyone went to see it. In 1983, it was fans of the story and also regular folks there to see the kind of spectacle only Lucas could bring at that time. Nothing else came close.
"I just wanted to add that when you look at what Abrams did with Star Trek, it should give us all hope."
It doesn't give me hope at all. I love the prequels, liked Star Trek movies until Abrams, despised Abrams' Star Trek movies, dislike all of Abrams' other directed movies, hated his Lost pilot, and Cloverfield, Regarding Henry, Felicity, Alias. And I didn't even really pay attention to the fact that all this stuff was done by the same man until Star Trek, which was just amazing. "So this is the man responsible for all this," I thought. Then, the cherry on the top, well three cherries, were his "mystery box" Ted speech, his awful, awful Spielberg homage, Super 8, and finally, Morning Glory... Perhaps the most rancid piece of that insipid genre of "workplace...comedy?"... ever to light up my living room. The only thing worse than giving Star Wars to Abrams would be if I couldn't find it absolutely hilarious, which I do.
DuracellEnergizer said:
I used to get teased for being a Batman fan, and this was back in the early '90s before the Schumacher films came out.
Thank you! I was a fan of Burton Batman and the comics around that time too (semi obsessed), but never let it be known, because after the treatment I got for being a Star Wars fan, I knew to keep my geek passions under wraps to acquaintances. That's why conventions were popular. A place where people would be accepted in likeminded geek company, unlike in greater society. Comic books were definitely not "cool", and neither were fantasy or sci-fi. As an armchair social anthropologist, I'm really interested in seeing what happens to geek culture and geek movies now that they've been embraced by mainstream culture. Will we get more and more Star Trek (2009)s until every geek franchise is "saved" by mass appeal?
I have a pretty good memory, and I know this was the general culture around Star Wars. At the time of each release, it was more cool, but then you'd get made fun of if you still liked it after it was trending. In the 80's you had to keep up with the latest trends or you would be mercilessly mocked. Kevin Smith himself just said he gave Star Wars up for girls when he was a teenager, because Star Wars geeks could not get girls back then like they can now. Star Wars/Star Trek geeks were very low on the social order in public schools. Total outcasts. In fact, you may remember that "geek" was once an insult. Now, the word means something different. Not derogatory. It used to be something bullies would say. I can't be the only one who remembers.
Well, I hate all the trailers and character videos. I don't take anything Star Wars seriously unless Lucas was heavily involved. I'm not interested in Star Wars beyond looking at it as the work of an artist. It would be like if George Orwell sold 1984 to Disney and Disney wrote 1985. Exactly as laughable as that to me. And a brilliant retirement move.
We know Anakin was a great guy because Alec Guinness can actually act. When he says "and a good friend" it is said with such a glowing genuine warmth and wistful nostalgia, it simply couldn't have been any other way.
Everyone argues with their good friends.
If film looks more like 6k, then why not just scan it at 6k? Then they can avoid resolutiongate 2.
I had guessed correctly that the clones had something to do with stormtroopers. The twist was that the Jedi were commanding the clones. As for the Timothy Zahn novels, I didn't ever see them as any more valid than Splinter of a Mind's Eye or the Marvel Star Wars comics, so I just skimmed them in a book store and didn't give them any thought.
If Episode VII is good, it will be the very first time JJ Abrams will be involved in something I can stomach.
Everything except the CG Jabba (I like the scene, but they shoulda made him look like ROTJ Jabba), the new shuttle sequence in Empire, and Jedi Rocks. And I could do without the beak. Would also keep Yub Nub.
I like Tales from Jabba's Palace (short story about individual palace aliens right before they died), Star Wars Infinities comics (alternate universe OT), and George R. Binks mini comic.
Anyone else remember this? In the 80s, you could like Van Halen, Michael Jackson, pretty much anything but Star Wars without getting ridiculed by the preps, jocks, popular kids, etc. It seems to me that people are retconning culture to say that the Star Wars movies were always universally beloved until the Special Edition and the prequels. I remember people saying "YOU LIKE STAR WARRRRS!!!!????" And let's not forget all the "never been with a girl" and "living in your mother's basement" jokes directed at Star Wars fans in the media, PRE-Special Edition.
Raiders and Doom are tied for first place.
Crusade and Skull are tied for second place. Crusade has a better ending, but Skull has a better beginning.
I very much like the prequels, and I am glad there are tonal and design differences. I also liked how the OT style designs were reserved for things that were designed for the Republic and Empire, not the Trade Federation or Naboo. I like how in the dark times, there is less diversity in design and population. Just like North Korea or Nazi Germany. Not only were the concepts good, but I think they were executed very well too.
I wonder if fans will be super pissed when 20k comes out and all that's available is 4k OT.
"What do you HATE about the EU?"
Star Wars Rebels
:P
I'm here because theforce.net banned me for sarcasm. I guess sarcasm is called "trolling" now on theforce.net. I'm going to be sarcastic, so don't ban me.