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#262352
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My First YAGE
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No Sir, it is you who have apparently missed the point of YAGEing. It's an annoying process of prolonged and overly dramatic departure. Sheesh.

In any event, if you'd read above, you'll note that I've announced a deadline for my departure as Christmas Eve eve. So relax, although no one forces you to click anywhere, I won't be posting here - - even in this single thread, after Saturday.






Hopefully, I can arrange a hook-up with Rob in the next couple of days.
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#262311
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My First YAGE
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Yeah, how about that? I'm fond of places where no one gets their feelings hurt. What a concept!!

That said, I find Stinky to be mostly funny, too. And Rob as well. Many of their comments to me crossed the line from funny to majorly rude. And I've never read such stuff from them before or since. I'm sorry to have pissed them off with my stance on nuclear weapons, the JFK assassination and liberal politics in general. But the fact is that my honestly held opinions would continue to piss them off, and while my feelings were not hurt in the least ... I just don't want to deal with hostility when it's completely unnecessary.

I'm sorry I did indeed miss your point about Star Wars fans. I have to disagree, however. I don't think most of them will be talking about Star Wars forever. Only time will tell.


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#262287
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My First YAGE
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Rob, I have no desire to do a search for all your posts, or to read them if I did. The prehistoric software this message board employs no doubt makes searches difficult anyway. But even if not, it's not what I'd care to do with my last few days here.


And if you're really trying to turn everything into a big gay party, I'm insulted you never PM'd me your photo per my request.

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#262272
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My First YAGE
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Um, despite admitting his homosexuality in his last 3 posts in this thread, his entire pattern of spouting homophobia is clear from a good deal of Rob's posts since August.


If Rob's really admitting to be gay (as opposed to it being some sort of attempt at humor), I would inquire (if I were sticking around) why he has posted so much homophobic hatred.

In any event, I'll state for the umpteenth time that there's absolutely nothing wrong with gay, and it was never any kind of insult for me to state that I think Rob is a homosexual. But I came to that conclusion based on his homophobia, and - ironically - it's his admission in the last 3 posts that makes me doubt he's gay after all.

Basically, it's because I think he's untrustworthy. I simply don't take him at his word.


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#262257
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My First YAGE
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The evidence is in all his gay-centric posts. It's a pattern I've subconciously noted ever since I started posting here, i.e., constant spouting of homophobia. It's textbook. Look it up in some psychology textbooks. Homophobes are usually (but not always) repressed homosexuals, with tons of issues relating to their unwanted orientation.

Straight guys don't give a frell about gay. Rob outs himself with every homophobic post. His posts are my so-called "evidence."





But no, he hasn't blown me.







And as WeShallPreseve suggests, feel free to let this thread sink. I'll be tired of Yaging real soon and, as a Christmas gift to all my, heheh, well-wishers, I will not be posting here anymore as of Christmas Eve eve. So the thread will end of its own accord by Christmas, or soon thereafter (in case anyone other than me has a few more things to say, in my total absence).



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#262235
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My First YAGE
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And skyman ... yeah, I quit the JFK thread on the first sign of it devolving into name-calling. That's not what I want to be involved in. I didn't have to let that one go on to two pages of vile insults. The first sign was enough.

I'm the one who gets to decide what threads I want to participate in. And I don't want to participate in nasty, name-calling threads. That's my choice. I have political discussions day in and day out on other message boards that don't devolve into insults. I see no need to post in discussions that can't remain civil. It's got nothing to do with the subject matter or what I have to say about it. But political discussion should be held between adults, and not name-calling four-year-olds.

If you see my departure from mud-slinging threads as a retreat on subject matter, then best wipe the mud from your own spectacles.


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#262231
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My First YAGE
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wow skyman, if that wasn't a copy paste job, it would be the kind of personal insult so creative as to avoid any negative response.


And just to be clear, Rob, I never called you a troll. I referred to the fact that others have called you a troll. But I don't think you or Stinky are trolls. In fact, I don't know anything about either of you other than that you sometimes exhibit poor manners and horrible debating skills on the internet.


Oh, and well, yeah, I'm pretty sure you are a repressed homosexual. Like I said, no straight man is as obsessed with gay as you are, Rob.
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#262216
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My First YAGE
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I really don't get how no-personal-attacks is "too many rules." It's the most common message board rule on the internet.


I've been posting here since August, and reading almost every post ... I'll acknowledge having missed some, but I don't recall that many personal attacks on anyone except Go-Mer. I didn't like them applied to Go-Mer either. There's just no call for it. (And yes, I'll admit to calling him a troll.)


As for not reading Stinky's posts after he started insulting me, why the frell should I? It wasn't like I didn't state my position on the topic six times before that. Nothing was going to change. I'd read his points, and responded with civility. Once he started insulting me, I feel no need to continue the conversation that wasn't going anywhere anyway. But running away??? Um, it's a message board thread. Not responding anymore (after half a dozen nearly identical responses) is simply getting out of a thread I no longer wish to participate in. I like participating in discussion, and I don't like participating in bitch sessions. It's my choice as to which I participate in, and when a thread starting as the former becomes the latter, I can stop participating if I so desire.


And the thing is, I know LOTS of Star Wars nerds in real life. My friends are the people who line up for 6 weeks for the Hollywood openings of the films. Those are some pretty die-hard Star Wars nerds, and not an immature, name-calling, disrespectful soul in the bunch. It's doing a disservice to Star Wars fans to allege they are like Rob and Stinky. In fact, I've read those two described several times (well, perhaps by the same poster, I'm not sure) as the resident trolls.. WTF? Why would there be resident trolls? What does that say about this place?


To the extent the folks around here think that banning trolls and moderating name-calling & personal attacks is Too Many Rules, I submit you are over-reacting to the norms of message boards on the net.




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#262142
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My First YAGE
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Nanner, the entire point of a YAGE thread is to be annoying. It is the nature of the beast. There's nothing I can do about it. Just leaving is just leaving, and YAGEing is YAGEing.


You bring up a good point, though. You feel I look bad for refusing to participate in a discussion where I'm called "fucking moron" and such for whatever my actual views may be ... but I didn't get the impression Stinky was looking bad to anyone for calling me a "fucking moron" and the like. It's that perceived standard here that I find disquieting.

I'll laugh my head off at things like the Drama Queen photo. But being called a Fucking Moron is no less insulting and potentially inciteful of violence on the net than it is in real life. In fact, the safety of no punch in the face potential is what makes internet insults all the more pathetic.


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#262133
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My First YAGE
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Hehehe, the only place I'm at is in my own YAGE thread. No one forces you to click on it. However, I understand the impetus behind 'leave already' and 'drama queen,' etc. That's the entire POINT of a YAGE thread, and why they are so disfavored.

I don't like nazi-moderated forums either. Like most things in life, something of a balance is usually best. Zero moderation is just as unappealing to me as over-moderation. Perhaps because I moderate with a very light touch on other message boards, the complete lack of moderation here is unacceptable to me.

I would have spent a lot of time deciding whether or not Go-Mer is a troll. He would have had quite a few Private Messages from me to get more information, and let him know what line could not be crossed.
Needless to say, Rob and Stinky would have gotten some messages, too. Personal attacks is one of the common taboos on message boards, and it's really not over-moderating to discourage them.

Perhaps it is a silly veil to allow "your crazy views are retarded" but disallow "you are a crazy retard" ... yet it's a distinction I feel very important in order to encourage a community that is not hostile. By now, Rob and Stinky would have received warnings and a short suspension. Stinky's Drama Queen post above would have had me laughing (as it does), with no moderator action taken. And Rob's calling someone a "crazy retard" after warnings and suspensions would have had him permanently banned.

If that's over-moderating, then you are all welcome to the wild-west community you seem to have. It's a testament to - well, something - that it hasn't degenerated to all-out nastiness and feuding around here. But "crazy" as my viewpoints may be (OMG, anti-nuclear weapons!!! What total freakishness!!!), I don't like being personally insulted for every post I make expressing those views.



And since there's no moderation on this board, I'll post in this YAGE thread as long as I please.

Don't worry, though ... just as I got bored sparring with Rob and Stinky, I'll soon get completely bored with YAGEing. Neither trading insults nor YAGEing are my style. I'll tire of the YAGE soon enough.



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#262086
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My First YAGE
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
It seems an uncharacteristic move for him, and I think that it's completely sad to throw away several months of community just because of one bad experience in a thread.

It's a very uncharacteristic move for me, which is why this is my first (and hopefully only) YAGE. But I don't feel like I'm throwing away several months of community. It is, in fact, that I can't participate in this forum as a community that I am withdrawing.

Once I get comfortable at a message board, I feel like participating more in the general community - and not simply in the main topic (in this case, Star Wars). I like there to be a sense of actual community and comraderie. I don't like hostility. And while I don't expect individual members to rise to my maidenhood defense when I am unjustly attacked, I expect moderators to be around once in a while to see to that task. Because if a message board community is unmoderated, it WILL attract trolls and creeps.

So ... to me, an unmoderated message board community is no community at all. It's not that Rob or stinky dinkens are dickheads; it's that they are allowed to be so continuously. (And I did give 14-year-old WeShallPreserve a pass - - - note that I quoted nothing of him in my initial YAGE post, and my advice directed to him in this thread has been civil and respectful).


I'm sorry to be leaving ... but I can't continue here just posting about Star Wars alone. It gets old. With no more Star Wars on the horizon, it gets old fast. And, as I've posted before, I figured Star Wars talk to die completely once the upcoming 40th anniversary is over.

And so, I really had a desire to branch out into the larger community of general discussion. As a staunch liberal progressive, I am perfectly willing to exchange viewpoints and ideas with the majority conservative members. And perhaps if Rob and Stinky were trolls who did not post every two minutes to viciously and personally attack me after every single post I make, this would not have been that big a deal to me. I had fun dissing them back for 24 hours, but that's it. I don't want to be part of a community where I must deal with such immature hostility on a constant basis, if I want to discuss anything besides Star Wars.


And while I did have qualms about quid-pro-quo-ing by claiming Rob was gay, I personally am not responsible for him considering that an insult. I don't think there's anything wrong with being gay, and I did not call him a fag or a queer or anything of the sort. But, in my experience, anyone that homophobic is classically closet gay. I used a descriptive term and not an insult. The fact that Rob might take it as an insult is merely a part of his neurosis. But his personal problems do not make "gay" an insult. It's simply not.




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#261692
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My First YAGE
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Heheh, yeah some of stinky's lines were funny. I'm not without a sense of humor. I included all of them, funny or not, to demonstrate a pattern. "You're a fucking moron" is not comedic gold.

And, hmmm, I was alive for the moonlanding and JFK's assassination. I would tell you what I think about the moonlanding if I wasn't constantly insulted for my opinions, and I would participate in any discussion that stayed civil. But that time is past.


As to preaching ... I'm directing it, by name , to the people who do - in my view - need a lesson in manners. I'm not preaching to anyone else. Most people here behave perfectly well. If I haven't mentioned your screenname, then - - well, my comments are not directed at you.


It's not bad advice, though. And it can't hurt anyone to be reminded that namecalling is childish and rude, and ALL CAPS is considered rude on the 'net.

Oooops, there, I said it again. I'm repeating myself, so I'm hardly Mr. Perfect.




It's part of the grand YAGE tradition that the YAGER post in their YAGE thread long after they're supposed to have YAGED. I'm sorry if you're unaware of the traditions. Consider this a Yagication.



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#261672
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My First YAGE
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WeShallPreserve ... you are probably a smart young person, with a good grasp of history to boot. If you want to communicate your knowledge or whatever message on the internet so that's it's real communication (as opposed to self-serving), leave the ALLCAPS behind. Your message gets lost with the method that many people ignore.

Similarly, I have no idea if stinky-dinkins or rob have anything useful to say. Once childish namecalling starts, the content of the message gets lost with the method.


That's some free advice to take or leave as you will. But the baby is often thrown out with the bathwater when communication skills are rude. ALLCAPS on the net is considered rude. Namecalling is always considered rude. If you have a good message to communicate, doing so politely and with respect will get your message across. It's really as simple as that. There's no need to lose your head.
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#261641
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My First YAGE
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I am getting the fuck out.

You people are frelling incredible. If you like a community where there's no respect, no decency towards each other, no boundaries of civilized behavior ... then enjoy the cesspool of being fucked to each other pigsty that you wallow in.

It's got nothing to do with Miss Manners ... it's got to do with human societies and those who are fit for them.


The internet is not all like this. I post at many message boards and they have rules for a reason, and it's nothing to do with Miss Manners. But you all just keep thinking how you like. You're legends in your own minds.

I will miss the few of you who treat people well for no other reason than they are other people on this planet.



And, duh, of course I shouldn't make a big deal of leaving. That's why YAGE threads are commonly bad form on the internet. But this is just the place for it, because there are no norms of behavior here. Just nastiness, immaturity, and disrespect allowed to run rampant.

I have better things to do. (But, 'natch, monitoring your own YAGE thread is part of whole YAGING experience that I'll never get to do again, so I'm going to do it here for sure.)




And I certainly don't mean to insult all of you. Many people who post here are quite adult and decent folks. But a few bad apples ... well, you know the rest.




Hey, and send me one of those shirts, WeShallPreserve ... you certainly ownzrd me with your 14-year-old ALL CAPS RANTS. Yessiree, you are the winning debater on this here internet. Don't bother growing older ... you're at the height of wisdom and maturity at 14. You're got some stiff competition - what with the other 14-year-olds whose debate style runs to namecalling. But I think you're the tops. What a great bunch. I'll miss you. What a regret in my life that I won't learn further from your sagacity and wit.



But it's a chance I'll take.




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#261539
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My First YAGE
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Sorry to re-post this from another thread, but I've never YAGEd before ... and since I'm unlikely to ever do it again ... I wanted to do it right, with it's own thread. Yeah, I know YAGEing is soooo lame and such bad form. But, well, here's why ...


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Originally posted by: Rob
I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt!

Well, where to start? How about with the fact that I’m not fourteen, I’m over 40. Perhaps you’re projecting your own age group onto others. I don’t really know how old you are, I’m just making an assumption. But whereas yours about my age is presumably based on my opinions, mine about yours is based on your weaksauce debating skills which run to namecalling on a constant basis.

Here’s some gems from the brilliantly mature Rob (stuff that would get you suspended, then banned from any decent message board):
Originally posted by: Rob
You are also a rotten coward

Originally posted by: Rob
Don't worry about yourself fruitcake

Originally posted by: Rob
you're not capable of protecting your swishy self

Originally posted by: Rob
you're the first gay retard that I have come across on the net

Originally posted by: Rob
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass.
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.



And for good measure, because it suits the point I will come to presently, some mature remarks from you cohort in 14-year-old debate style of namecalling:

Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you're just dumb


Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you are a fucking moron


Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you missed the part where I mentioned the "Impending Soviet invasion," dumbass


Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you have the comprehension skills of a fucking salamander



Differing opinions, you will discover when you grow past teenhood, are held by all sorts of people of different ages. Namecalling is pretty much restricted to people under 16 years old. (Usually under 9 years old, but on the internet, the maturity curve seems steeper.)

In any event, to foster a non-hostile atmosphere, most message boards are pretty strict about a no personal attacks, no namecalling policy. And that’s cause there’s a lot of incredibly rude and immature people on the internet, as you two have amply demonstrated.

And while it’s been fun for a while to diss back at you - without resorting to namecalling (fyi, Rob: even though I think you’re gay, I never called you “queer” or “fag”) ... but it’s grown tiresome really quick. I feel no need to read or post at a site where a zero moderation effort lets the worst-behaved internet posters have free reign. And I certainly feel no need to discuss serious stuff like warfare or political assassination with people whose debate styles runs to the type of quotes posted above. It's really not even fun talking Star Wars at a place so hostile.


Yeah, that means ... oh congratulate yourself boys ... you’ve run me off. Oh, whatever shall I do without originaltrilogy.com in my life? I’ll probably have to cry myself to sleep for a few nights, but I’ll eventually get over it. Maybe in a month or so. Or, more likely, in five minutes.


(YAGEing is such bad message board form. But, then again, so is allowing a free-for-all of personal attacks and childish namecalling. So what the heck? Might as well YAGE.)




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#261538
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"Back and to the left"
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Originally posted by: Rob
I must know more about you, you intriguing dolt!

Well, where to start? How about with the fact that I’m not fourteen, I’m over 40. Perhaps you’re projecting your own age group onto others. I don’t really know how old you are, I’m just making an assumption. But whereas yours about my age is presumably based on my opinions, mine about yours is based on your weaksauce debating skills which run to namecalling on a constant basis.

Here’s some gems from the brilliantly mature Rob (stuff that would get you suspended, then banned from any decent message board):
Originally posted by: Rob
You are also a rotten coward

Originally posted by: Rob
Don't worry about yourself fruitcake

Originally posted by: Rob
you're not capable of protecting your swishy self

Originally posted by: Rob
you're the first gay retard that I have come across on the net

Originally posted by: Rob
Obi Jeewhyen = complete f#@cking jackass.
I didn't want to come right out and call you a complete f#@cking jackass until I had concrete proof, but now I feel comfortable doing so.



And for good measure, because it suits the point I will come to presently, some mature remarks from you cohort in 14-year-old debate style of namecalling:

Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you're just dumb


Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you are a fucking moron


Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you missed the part where I mentioned the "Impending Soviet invasion," dumbass


Originally posted by: Stinky-Dinkins
you have the comprehension skills of a fucking salamander



Differing opinions, you will discover when you grow past teenhood, are held by all sorts of people of different ages. Namecalling is pretty much restricted to people under 16 years old. (Usually under 9 years old, but on the internet, the maturity curve seems steeper.)

In any event, to foster a non-hostile atmosphere, most message boards are pretty strict about a no personal attacks, no namecalling policy. And that’s cause there’s a lot of incredibly rude and immature people on the internet, as you two have amply demonstrated.

And while it’s been fun for a while to diss back at you - without resorting to namecalling (fyi, Rob: even though I think you’re gay, I never called you “queer” or “fag”) ... but it’s grown tiresome really quick. I feel no need to read or post at a site where a zero moderation effort lets the worst-behaved internet posters have free reign. And I certainly feel no need to discuss serious stuff like warfare or political assassination with people whose debate styles runs to the type of quotes posted above. It's really not even fun talking Star Wars at a place so hostile.


Yeah, that means ... oh congratulate yourself boys ... you’ve run me off. Oh, whatever shall I do without originaltrilogy.com in my life? I’ll probably have to cry myself to sleep for a few nights, but I’ll eventually get over it. Maybe in a month or so. Or, more likely, in five minutes.


(YAGEing is such bad message board form. But, then again, so is allowing a free-for-all of personal attacks and childish namecalling. So what the heck? Might as well YAGE.)
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#261416
Topic
Hey guys, Remember when Star wars had writing like this?
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Originally posted by: Anchorhead
Star Wars had that same tension. Strangers thrown into a situation - not friends working together.

I'm in the minority for sure, but I much prefer Star Wars over Empire because of the unknown feeling that is so palpable throughout. Everything is unknown in Star Wars - where they're going, how they're going to get there, who this Vader person is, what the princess will be like, whether or not they can count on each other, how they're going to survive, etc. The viewer doesn't know what's going to happen and neither do the main characters.

That feeling is absent in Empire. It's more of a "our heroes on a mission" story as opposed to an outer space adventure in a far-off galaxy.


I think that's one of the problems with sequels in general. There is often more freedom in the story - because far less set-up is needed. But once the characters all know each other, the tension and discovery that is so wonderful about characters getting to know each other is lost.

It's a trade-off that I don't think works in sequels' favor. And I agree with Anchorhead that it didn't work out too well for The Empire Strikes Back.



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#261407
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"Back and to the left"
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Yes, I thought it was pretty well accepted that the Oswald "lone gunman" theory was pretty much discredited, by the evidence in your thread title - as well as so much more it has filled books and books of meticulous research.

I did quite a bit of my own research back in the day when the Oliver Stone film came out. The film really struck a chord with me (I was alive when JFK was killed and remember the event). There was compelling evidence against the lone gunman theory ... and there was compelling evidence for it. The thing was, though, the amount of compelling evidence for consipiracy vs. Oswald acting alone was in the nature of a thousand to one.


I read 8 or 9 books on the subject before forming my opinon ... and I'm not willing to repeat that extensive research now. But I'm open to discussing it.





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#261397
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A Date Which Will Live...in Infamy
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Yeah, I'll grant you that, in terms of Japan in the 40's.

In terms of Iraq today, I'm not comfortable assigning responsibility to everyday Iraqis for Saddam Hussein's wishful but nonexistent pursuit of WMD, and his stupid thwarting of U.N. inspections. I'm glad the U.S. is not targeting civilians directly, but I can hardly imagine it possible to kill many more if we did.

Anyway, thanks for clarifying your thoughts.