OBI-WAN37

TV's Frink said:

I'm not the one who spams originaltrilogy.com with the same post about the prequels being awesome over and over.

 I guess, and I mean this genuinely, regardless of which one of us is actually in the wrong, I shouldn't have gone as far as I did. I was being rude with the "and that's exactly what it is: a benefit" thing. Sorry.

RicOlie_2 said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Almost everything.

The cinematography.

Some of it was good, but it didn't look like Star Wars.

It just took a different route, and a better one, in my opinion.

The dialogue. ("Hello There")

I love how you used an example of dialogue that they borrowed from the OT. Name some original dialogue in the PT that is good.

How about the story of Darth Plageuis the Wise, or 

Obi-Wan Kenobi:[anguished]You were the Chosen One! It was said that you would destroy the Sith, not join them! Bring balance to the Force, not leave it in darkness![picks up Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber]Darth Vader:I HATE YOU!!!Obi-Wan: You were my brother, Anakin! I loved you.

Darth Vader: You've turned her against me!

Obi-Wan Kenobi: You have done that yourself!Vader: YOU WILL NOT TAKE HER FROM ME!

Obi-Wan: Your anger and your lust for power have already done that. You have allowed this Dark Lord to twist your mind, until now...until now you have become the very thing you swore to destroy.

Vader: Don't lecture me, Obi-Wan! I see through the lies of the Jedi! I do not fear the Dark Side as you do! I have brought peace, freedom, justice, and security to my new Empire!

Obi-Wan:[incredulously]Your newEmpire?

Vader: Don't make me kill you.

Obi-Wan: Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic! Todemocracy!!

Vader: If you're not with me, then you're my enemy!

Obi-Wan: Only a Sith deals in absolutes. I will do what I must.

Vader: You will try.[They duel]

Lord Vader, can you hear me?

Darth Vader:[In mechanical voice]Yes, Master. Where is Padmé? Is she safe? Is she alright?

Palpatine: It seems, in your anger, you killed her.

Darth Vader: I... I couldn't have. She was alive! I felt it![damages several surrounding objects and droids through the Force. He then breaks the clamps that have been holding him down and takes a few steps forward. Palpatine watches, grinning cruelly.]NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Until the time is right, disappear we will.

 [Senator Organa and Obi-Wan bow and start to leave]

Master Kenobi, wait a moment. In your solitude on Tatooine, training, I have for you.

Obi-Wan: Training?

Yoda: An old friend has learned the path to immortality. One who has returned from the netherworld of the Force... Your old master.

Obi-Wan:[surprised]Qui-Gon?!

Yoda: How to commune with him, I will teach you.

"So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause."

"Good. Twice the pride, double the fall."

The MUSIC.

I can't argue about that, though some of the best music is from the OT.

I'm not sure about that, you might be right for all I know, I do like the OT, but I think if I were to place money I'd put it on the PT's music.

The lightsaber duels.

There was no emotion in them, but some of them are entertaining to watch. They could have been done far better though.

I don't think they could have been done better. They were fantastic. And that duel on Mustafar was full of emotion.

The vehicles with their sleek looks (Naboo Starfighter, Royal Naboo cruiser, Eta-2 class interceptor, venator, so many more).

To be honest, I like many vehicle designs in the PT, except for the fact that they all looked shiny and new ("all" is an exaggeration, but for the most part, they did). One of the things Star Wars was best known for was the fact that everything looked used and not sleek and shiny. Watch almost any other sci-fi film if you want sleek and shiny.

I guess that's just preference.

The tragedy.

There was no tragedy. The story had a happy ending. Anakin turned into an amazing character, the awful Jedi were destroyed, and the silly politicians were killed.

...I do, in actual fact, agree it is a tragedy, but certainly not a good tragedy. It wasn't about good people and a good republic going bad, but bad people and a bad republic getting worse.

Well I think there was tragedy. Again, just a matter of opinion, I suppose.

The characters.

Some of the characters that are from the OT (Obi-Wan, Palpatine) as well as Qui-Gon and the physical appearances of Darth Maul and General Grievous were good, but the rest (Jar Jar, Anakin, Padmé, Count Dooku, etc.) were pretty terrible.

What about Palpatine, and Mace Windu.

The huge amount of models, life-size props, and miniatures.

The percentage of models and real sets compared to the OT is very low.

ActuallY i've heard people who prefer the OT admit to the seemingly well know fact that there were more models and miniatures in each singular PT film than in the entire OT. I'm pretty sure I've heard people claim, "it's all fake, and it looks totally fake", on a scene that did in fact have two prominent models (the main jedi starfighters in Episode III)

The CGI.

 Some of it is actually OK, but too much of it was used for the characters to deliver a convincing performance.

Again, I guess it's opinion.

You know, you are a very entertaining troll/spammer/whatever you are.

adywan said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.

 Oh no, this same old tired argument again. I really wish the Prequelites would at least do a little research before they start spouting this same crap over and over again to try and make the prequels sound great and that it wasn't overused CG

While it maybe true that there were more models/ miniatures built for the prequels. But "built" and "screen used" are two completely different things. There is also a huge difference between using a miniature for a set piece/ location and actually building a set or filming at a real location.

The OT was shot using real full sets. Filmed at locations. And NOT against a greenscreen or just a partial set that would need all the blanks filling in later. In the OT, for vehicles/ ships etc either a full scale set was built or for action sequences a miniature was built and filmed. For the PT, ONLY Phantom menace used models for these things. AOTC & ROTS, every vehicle/ ship was created in a computer. In fact whole sequences were created with 90%-100% CG.  These same scenes could have easily have used models and costumed actors. But no, they decided to create it in a computer. I'm surprised that AOTC and ROTS didn't get a nomination in the best animated feature category. For example.....

The only thing that existed in the real world was the ground. Everything else was created in a computer.

Just click on that picture and look at it in full-rez. It looks like a bloody cartoon. That shot is 100% CG and it shows. At least have the foreground characters be real costumed actors to add a little realism into the shot

Again, 100% CG. They even had models of the Trade Federation ships from TPM but went the digital route instead.

So the complaints about the overuse of CG is well justified.

 They did actually have a huge amount of real models that were screen used in the prequels. You can see them all in this thread ( http://boards.theforce.net/threads/practical-effects-in-the-prequels-sets-pictures-models-etc.50017310/ ) To name just a few: the AATs, the Eta-2 Class Jedi Starfighters, the life-size Anakin's podracer, which, although while racing was CGI, was filmed when it was stationary and unedited when so, that thing in the second picture down, a HUGE miniature city of Tatooine, the place where Obi-Wan was talking to those long-necked people, the streets of Coroscant, the Jedi Coucil Library, that place where the speeders were swerving around flames in episode II, the huts of the tusken raiders, those huge corridors in Geonosis, the Geonosian arena, Dooku's solar sailor, podracer station, the corridors of Naboo, that huge palace type thing in Naboo,  the hallways on Kamino, the Naboo royal starship, a dining room in the Trade Federation interior, that viewing platform for th podracing, buildings or huts on Tatooine, more lifesize podracers, corridors in the Invisible Hand, a huge amount of makeup for 7 or so aliens, dining room in Naboo in AotC, huge chunk of rocky terrain in AotC which Obi-Wan was standing on, Podracing stadium,landing bay in the invisible Hand, the Jedi Temple, LIFE SIZE naboo starfighter, which is a huge ship, C-3P0 skeleton, which involved puppetry, what looks like part of a LIFE SIZE Sebulba's podracer, or at least half of it huge interior of Mustafar building where Anakin killed the Separatists, breifing place for the Jedi in episode III, HUGE podracing arena (not just stadium, but arena), terrain for AotC battle of Geonosis, several puppets who drove podracers, Sebulba's podracer's cockpit, cargo bay in Episode I on Naboo with MATTE PAINTING behind it, and multiple other things which could have been (but I'm not sure) unedited in the prequels.

You cannot argue against that.

Laserschwert said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true.

 It's still true. There were tons of physical models AND too much CGI.

 Yet people never seem to mind the amount of CGI in say Avatar or the new Star Trek movies.

TV's Frink said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.

 I know this is hard for you to grasp, but it's possible to like something with X number of models and miniatures rather than Y number of models and miniatures.

 You look ridiculous being so rude all the time. I'm not even going to give you the benefit (and that's exactly what it is: a BENEFIT) of a comment.

I'm almost positive it won't, and I'm very grateful for that.

Almost everything.

The cinematography.

The dialogue. ("Hello There")

The MUSIC.

The lightsaber duels.

The vehicles with their sleek looks (Naboo Starfighter, Royal Naboo cruiser, Eta-2 class interceptor, venator, so many more).

The tragedy.

The characters.

The huge amount of models, life-size props, and miniatures.

The CGI.

Anchorhead said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

 Indeed. I'll be a martyr.

 That's one word for it.

 Yes, and awesome martyr are two words for it.

There isn't really that much that needs to be avoided in the prequels at all. We need to avoid avoiding them, which doesn't seem to be happening with the crew behind the movies so far, which is just a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE.....

Several new Death Stars are built

....HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE injustice.

Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

 Yes kinda like records... you need to change them.

 Those are like two completely different things. Would Star Wars for instance be a very interesting story if the whole Star Wars galaxy remained under the Empire's reign? Of course not.

Ryan McAvoy said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT. I love the PT. I think it's more fun and moving than the OT, and are better films.

 If you Ban OBI-WAN37 he'll become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.

 Indeed. I'll be a martyr.

Ryan McAvoy said:

He's BACK!!

Yes I am.

Places change over time. It would have been almost boring an unimaginative it Tatooine was the same place in the PT as it was in the OT.

SilverWook said:

So you have stated in three different threads today. We get it. No need to repeat yourself.

 Oh but there is! People need to know that the prequels were awesome!

THEY NEED TO KNOW

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT. I love the PT. I think it's more fun and moving than the OT, and are better films.

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.

Hopefully there will be as many miniatures and models in the sequel trilogy as there are in the prequel trilogy. There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT. I hope the Sequel trilogy is as good as the prequels.

There are more miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT. The whole "there's too much CGI" is not true. I've seen people comment on TFN saying they prefer the original trilogy but still know there are more models and miniatures in the PT.

Hello, many of you may recognize my username form the now infamous topic "sick of star wars prequel bashing" and also "you prequel-lover-haters have no argument against the prequels".

I would just like to say that a lot of rude things were said in that thread, both by me and by other people, however I cannot remember who was the first one to be rude or what members, if any, deserved what I said to them. I would just like to apologize to anyone I was rude to who didn't deserve it.

Thankyou.

Seriously, can any moderator tell me why the topic got locked not soon after everybody started trolling me, but when I (a prequel-lover, what a coincidence), started trolling them? Really?

Someone asked me in the "sick of prequel bashing" thread why I think the prequels are good films. Here is why: they are just as moving and fun, if not more so, than the Original trilogy.

Also you trolls basically proved how reasonable you were by trolling in the first place, lol, nice job at having a convincing argument.

I also find it funny that all the trolling the pt-haters did did not get the topic locked but my purely defensive remarks did. Talk about biased. Nice job, moderators.

Everybody stop! I just found someone else on the internet who has nothing better to do than troll prequel-trilogy-lovers!!!!!!

I- oh... wait.... society is stupid.... silly me....

DominicCobb said:

I think OBI-WAN37's on to something. Read this exchange:

Queen Amidala: How did you end up here with us?

Jar Jar Binks: I don't know. Mesa day startin pretty okee-day with a brisky morning munchy, then BOOM! Gettin very scared and grabbin that Jedi and POW! Mesa here! Mesa gettin' very very scared!

Exceptional writing.

And what about this gem?

Darth Sideous: And Queen Amidala, has she signed the treaty?

Nute Gunray: She has... disappeared, my lord. One Naboo cruiser got past the blockade.

Darth Sideous: I want that treaty signed!

Nute Gunray: M-my lord, it-it's impossible to locate the ship. It's out of our range.

Darth Sideous: Not for a Sith.

Darth Sideous: This is my apprentice, Darth Maul. He will find your lost ship.

Nute Gunray: This is getting out of hand! Now, there are *two* of them!

 Well it's good that you like the movies, but I don't actually like those quotes that much.

trolling lol

KilroyMcFadden said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

KilroyMcFadden said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

This thread is getting out of hand. People seem to be making violent threats. That's serious.

Gold.  :D

 No no no no no..... you're mistaken.... that's a quote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quote). This is gold:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold).

Oh, and for reference, this is the average person like yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_(geology))

 Again.  Gold.  this is why I enjoy reading this thread.  The broken links are just icing on the comedy cake.

 No no no no no...... this is a broken link: http://labourlist.org/2011/11/my-biggest-worry-about-labour%E2%80%99s-future/broken-chain/

KilroyMcFadden said:

OBI-WAN37 said:

This thread is getting out of hand. People seem to be making violent threats. That's serious.

Gold.  :D

 No no no no no..... you're mistaken.... that's a quote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quote). This is gold:(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold )

Oh, and for reference, this is the average person like yourself (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_(geology) )