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#1410666
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Star Wars Bonus Material (2004 DVD) Fullscreen/Widescreen?
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When the 2-Disc LE “GOUT” DVDs came out, I bought the full screen bonus disc on ebay just so the spine would match all of the others. It is exactly the same disc that was in the widescreen box set when I had it.

The bonus material on every Lucasfilm DVD release was universally the same no matter if the main presentation was widescreen or full screen. Sometimes the disc art might even say widescreen or whatever, but none of the bonus content ever differed in aspect ratio. Even the 2006 GOUT discs which were sourced from laserdisc masters and were considered “bonus material” were still in non-anamorphic letterbox even if you bought the full screen DVDs.

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#1409422
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Info Wanted: 2011 vs 2019 blu rays
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Luke45 said:

Nien Nunb said:

Luke45 said:

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Skywalker-Complete-Blu-ray/dp/B082WXD4ZH/ref=sr_1_2?crid=Z7D63S6IY4KB&dchild=1&keywords=star+wars+complete+saga+blu-ray&qid=1612713396&sprefix=star+wars+comple%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-2

Anyone know if this 2019 18 disc Blu-ray set has the new scans with the color correction?

I own this set. It is 100% without a doubt the same versions that appear on Disney+, minus the 4k and DNR of course. These are NOT the same oversaturated, black crushed and blown out versions that appeared on Blu-ray in 2011. All 9 films have the current black Lucasfilm logo wich first appeared in front of The Force Awakens.

I didn’t care enough about the 4k to shell out for that mega set at Best buy, but I had some Christmas money and Amazon credit to blow and $90 didn’t seem terrible for this so I got it just so I could have the newest transfers and be rid of that 2011 mess. $10 a film isn’t too bad for Disney. Even at 1080p, these blow the 2011 discs out of the water.

These aren’t perfect by any means, but the flaws are far more tolerable to me than the wretched looking 2011 masters with cartoon like color timing.

Thank you so much. So just to verify, no pink blasts??

No. Those were an artifact of the piss poor color correction that was done for the 2004 masters which carried over into 2011. When you watch these it is very obvious they are from a different scan altogether. At 1080p, These still have more image detail than the 2011 discs.

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#1409098
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Info Wanted: 2011 vs 2019 blu rays
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Luke45 said:

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Skywalker-Complete-Blu-ray/dp/B082WXD4ZH/ref=sr_1_2?crid=Z7D63S6IY4KB&dchild=1&keywords=star+wars+complete+saga+blu-ray&qid=1612713396&sprefix=star+wars+comple%2Caps%2C156&sr=8-2

Anyone know if this 2019 18 disc Blu-ray set has the new scans with the color correction?

I own this set. It is 100% without a doubt the same versions that appear on Disney+, minus the 4k and DNR of course. These are NOT the same oversaturated, black crushed and blown out versions that appeared on Blu-ray in 2011. All 9 films have the current black Lucasfilm logo wich first appeared in front of The Force Awakens.

I didn’t care enough about the 4k to shell out for that mega set at Best buy, but I had some Christmas money and Amazon credit to blow and $90 didn’t seem terrible for this so I got it just so I could have the newest transfers and be rid of that 2011 mess. $10 a film isn’t too bad for Disney. Even at 1080p, these blow the 2011 discs out of the water.

These aren’t perfect by any means, but the flaws are far more tolerable to me than the wretched looking 2011 masters with cartoon like color timing.

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#1408025
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How big was Star Wars in the 70s 80s and 90s
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Michael Ward said:
it didn’t become mind blowingly huge again until The Phantom Menace.

From my own memory as a 9 year old in 1997, the Special Editions and all of the hype surrounding the 20th anniversary were the point at which Star Wars became mind blowingly huge again. Remember, they had to re-establish the Star Wars brand as a viable marketing behemoth like it had been in it’s heyday in order to get the hype train rolling for the prequels. I knew what Star Wars was as a child but to me in the early 90s it was just some forgotten old relic that old people watched marathons of on USA. I had a few of the vintage toys from random garage sales and thrift stores and I would be like “look, it’s that shiny gold robot guy from that old movie they show on TV all the time!”. Basically from the time I was born to about 1994, Star Wars to me was just “some old movie”. 1995 was when things really started to pick back up again with the new toy line and by 1997, You could find all manner of Star Wars merchandise in any department store like it was 1977 again. lunchboxes, backpacks, Pencil cases, underwear, toothpaste. You name it I had it.

For me, 1997 was the year that Star Wars came BACK with a vengeance! It was everywhere and EVERYONE was talking about it again. Oprah freaking Winfrey had her own special devoted to the Special Edition hype. That era to me as a child of the 90s is what I would have imagined it was like for children of the 70s growing up when the original film was released. If it weren’t for the '97 SEs and 20th Anniversary hype I wouldn’t have likely given a rat’s ass about the Phantom Menace as a child, It would have been just another movie to me. I was only hyped for it after having become a die hard Star Wars nerd 2 years before with the Special Edition theatrical re-releases, getting the '95 “Faces” VHS Trilogy for my Birthday and the Power of the Force toy line. All of the hype and anticipation for the prequels was based around the '97 SEs having firmly re-established Star Wars as a major pop culture phenomenon.

I certainly don’t love what has happened to the original versions of the films since the release of the Special Editions, but the hype around The Phantom Menace wouldn’t have been what it was without the mid 90s rebirth that began with the Special Editions. That is when the 2nd coming of Star Wars truly began.

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#1407012
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<strong>2006 GOUT</strong> : The changes to the OT films &amp; general 2006 GOUT DVD discussion thread
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Non anamorphic DVDs were of little consequence to me until I bought a Widescreen TV, which was literally within the same month after the GOUT DVDs were released. I knew what anamorphic enhancement was but it wasn’t that big a deal to me one way or another when I was watching DVDs on a CRT television. I did have a portable DVD player that had no zoom option on it though so it was a pain in the ass when I tried to watch a letterbox DVD on that.

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#1393981
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Info Wanted: Complete Saga Blu Ray Disc Set for sale - fake?
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That set from ebay is absolutely not official, I can tell you that for sure. Bootlegs like this are all over ebay. Infact, Disney related DVDs and Blu-rays tend to be the most widely bootlegged things I have ever come across. I would not at all recommend that you buy that. Also yes, The set that I posted a link to should have the newest transfers which are sourced from the same master as the 4k discs just downscaled to 1080p.

The back of that set from ebay doesn’t look like anything Disney/Fox would put out, and it’s being sold far too cheap, not to mention it’s unavailability from any legitimate retail site like Amazon. The previous set from Fox with only the first 6 films ran around $70-$80 in stores. Also, Disney loves their money. There is no way they would release a budget priced no frills set at such a low price point within the same year that they just put out a huge box set with bells & whistles. They aren’t the type of company known to do stuff like that.

Also, being that it is a counterfeit product I can almost guarantee that it does NOT feature the newest transfers, which is a moot point anyway.

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#1393777
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Info Wanted: Complete Saga Blu Ray Disc Set for sale - fake?
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I am reasonably sure that is a counterfeit product, especially considering the price. It does not correspond with the packaging and layout of any official release that I am aware of. I would stay clear of it.

If you want all of the films on Blu-ray in a box set as inexpensively as possible with the latest remasters then I would recommend this set, which runs around $80-$90.

https://www.amazon.com/Star-Wars-Skywalker-Complete-Blu-ray/dp/B082WXD4ZH/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=star+wars+box+set&link_code=qs&qid=1608076724&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-3&tag=mozilla-20

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#1376770
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Modern SE Revisionism
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JadedSkywalker said:

Funny thing even when the Episode IV title was old news and it had A New Hope at the beginning the film was still just called Star Wars. I don’t remember a single person calling it a new hope. I even have VHS copies and Laserdiscs where it just says Star Wars. The standee displays and advertising was for Star Wars.

Yeah, Even as late as the 1997 SE campaign it was still being referred to and marketed as just Star Wars. I think the 1995 “Faces” VHS has A New Hope on the spine in tiny lettering underneath Star Wars in bold, but it wasn’t until the 2000 VHS re-release of the SEs (Which were no longer being branded as Special Editions) that the original film began to be marketed as Episode IV: A New Hope. It was also during the prequel era that fans and joe schmoes started referring to the film in casual conversation as A New Hope.

It was also around 2000 that the original versions disappeared entirely from the market, to the point that even video rental chains were being forced to carry the SE only when many stores had previously carried both up until then. This was the “Order 66” for the original versions being available anywhere from that point on, as it was at this point in time when a concentrated effort had been made by Lucasfilm to “wipe out” all remnants of the original versions from public accessibility.

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#1370322
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Info: Films re-released with alterations
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alloneword said:
The “Coming Summer 1990” is not included on the full screen R1 DVD box set.

It’s not in the 2002 Widescreen DVD set either. V1 or V2 (the original pressings of Part II and III had significant framing issues that were later fixed). It was restored for the first time on a video release (to my knowledge) on the 25th anniversary Blu-ray and DVD releases form 2011.

As a teenager I was a pretty die hard BTTF nerd for awhile after the first DVD set came out and I only came to know of the existence of the Summer 1990 tag from reading it on IMDB in the “alternate versions” section. I remember being impressed that it was restored for the Blu-ray. I had a whole bunch of computer printed BTTF crap hung all over my bedroom walls as a kid. I still have a book case with some of those images still taped to the side of it that I never bothered to remove, lol.

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#1370150
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When did George Lucas make the Dianoga blink in the trash compactor?
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Ashdogg said:

I seem to remember it being on the 1995 VHS. Are you sure?

This was absolutely a 2004 change. It was jarring to see it for the first time on DVD if you knew the movie like the back of your hand as I did at the time.

You also have to keep in mind, most of the major visual effects changes from 1997 and onward came in waves. They didn’t just go in and change 1 random thing here or there every few years, there was a whole new set of changes that usually came with the introduction of the films appearing on a new video format.

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#1365793
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Is the 1997 Special Edition important?
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I grew up during the mid 1990’s Star Wars Renaissance so as a young kid this era was for me what 1977-1983 was for the generation before me. In my lifetime thus far, this was the most exciting time to be a Star Wars fan. I would often watch the films casually when they aired on Sci-Fi or whatever in the earlier 90s, but the Special Edition campaign and all of the hype surrounding it was what turned me into a ride or die Star Wars nerd for the rest of my childhood. I saw all 3 Special Editions in the theater as they were released and My mom bought me the Faces box set for my 9th Birthday in March of 1997. I’m honestly surprised that I even got the SE VHS Trilogy the following Christmas, as my parents were generally the type who didn’t see the point of owning more than one version of the same movie in the pre DVD era.

I remember for several years into the late 90s the Faces tapes were still readily available at a lot of places so I proudly displayed both on my shelf and never really thought much more into it until sometime in 2000 whenever the first re-release of the SEs came out on VHS with no mention of them being the SE on the box. It was during this time that I noticed all video rental chains which had previously stocked both versions in mass quantities were now only stocking the SE exclusively.

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#1362526
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I just attended a screening of The Empire Strikes Back SE at my local theater
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SilverWook said:

Not to get too far off topic, bur what was it like going to an indoor theater with under current circumstances?

I’ve been going a lot since they reopened and from what I understand they are doing decent business all things considered, but nowhere near the crowd levels pre-COVID when current movies were being released. They do heavily encourage social distancing, but 90% of the time there is little to no one to distance from. Most of the movies I’ve been going to see have had 2 to 3 other people in the auditorium at max. Tickets are only $2 also, so I’ve been seeing a whole bunch of stuff. Jurassic Park, Grease, The Wizard of Oz, Indiana Jones Trilogy, E.T., Back To The Future, Star Wars: The Force Awakens, The Empire Strikes Back, Footloose, and several other good ones coming.

Of the 2 theaters closest to me, this one has the more classy old timey vibe with the red curtains and velvet trimming in the auditoriums and stuff, where as the other one was just recently remodeled and is ultra modern and sleek looking. Also, the other theater just re-closed, but they had less enticing prices and an underwhelming selection of films by comparison.

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#1356923
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Is it Lucas, or Fox, who has prevented the restored OOT release?
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Fated-Dualist said:

'Mr. Lucas said that to release the original versions of these films on Blu-ray was “kind of an oxymoron because the quality of the original is not very good.”

“You have to go through and do a whole restoration on it, and you have to do that digitally,” he added. “It’s a very, very expensive process to do it. So when we did the transfer to digital, we only transferred really the upgraded version.”
 

I still find it hard to imagine George saying all this with a straight face. Even he has be aware of how stupid this sounds. Despite no longer being in charge of Lucasfilm, I’m sure by now he also has to be at least somewhat aware of recent fan preservation efforts and the significant advancements that have been made since those statements, which have completely disproven his argument.

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#1348219
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Info: Films re-released with alterations
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JayArgonaut said:

Back to the Future II: not necessarily a digital alteration but definitely a visual one.

The original: featuring “Coming Summer 1990”, as seen at the end of the theatrical and home video versions, including the Blu-ray:

original

Removed from the version shown in recent years by ITV (UK) and the “BTTF Part III” logo also appears to have been altered from the original.

HDTV

This is an alteration, but I don’t think this is a recent change. It was actually more recently that the “Coming Summer 1990” was restored after years of it not having been included. I first became aware of it on the 25th Anniversary Blu-ray set and corresponding DVD set. It was not present on the 2002 DVDs or any previous VHS release I have ever seen. I believe it appeared in theaters this way and then was removed for it’s initial video release which is how it remained until 2011.

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#1346105
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I'll never understand the attitude of people who oppose the release of the unaltered original trilogy.
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Haarspalter said:

A few weeks ago some guy commented on my “Gary Kurtz on the Star Wars Special Edition” youtube upload, saying:

“I completely disagree with this man’s stance.”

I asked him why and he answered:

“I love the special editions.”

I stayed polite and tried to get a more detailed argument out of him by remarking:

“That is completely fine if you love them. Which version of the Special Edition do you like the most? To this day there are four versions of Special Editions: 1997 - The first Special Edition, 2004 - The DVD Special Edition (Haydens Ghost added to ROTJ, Ian McDiarmid added to ESB), 2012 - The Blu ray Special Edition (Darth Vaders ‘NOOO’ added to ROTJ), 2019 - The Disney + Special Edition (Greedos ‘Maclunkey’ added to ANH).”

His answer:

“2019. Those are the final definitive versions.”

Since he stayed by his one-sentence-replys, i had no desire to deepen the discussion any further.

This is what they all say though, as if it somehow invalidates everyone else’s thoughts and opinions. The thing is even if I did find the Special Editions to be superior, I would still want the original versions to be preserved and readily available in equal quality to the SE. There actually are several films in which I do find an alternate cut to be superior to the theatrical, but I wouldn’t want the theatrical cut to not be available just because I personally preferred a different version. It is this which I do not understand. People can like whichever version they want, but why does that mean that no other version should be available?

I can’t even remember the last time I watched any of the other versions of Blade Runner besides the Final Cut, but I am glad they were made available and I wouldn’t not want to own them. In the case of Close Encounters of the Third Kind, I actually watch the Theatrical cut most often as that is the one I prefer. What is being done with the Star Wars films is to me a travesty, and should have never been allowed to happen to any film, let alone one coming from a man who once spoke in front of congress to bring awareness and advocated for the prevention of this exact scenario from happening.

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#1343496
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I'll never understand the attitude of people who oppose the release of the unaltered original trilogy.
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It has been my observation that most pro SE people who support the suppression or the original cuts are ignorant about film and video tech in general. A lot of people don’t seem to understand what “HD” or “4K” even really mean and act as if they are some sort of application that you apply to old films to make them look better.

I literally got into an argument with someone in the comments for an upload of a Star Trek Generations deleted scene on YouTube that was from a barely watchable multi generational VHS copy of a workprint, which was then uploaded to YouTube in sub SD quality. This person seemed to think that movies come out of the camera in this kind of dog shit lo-rez VHS quality and that they use some kind of magic “upscaler” to make films look the way they do when they are released.

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#1340302
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I'll never understand the attitude of people who oppose the release of the unaltered original trilogy.
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I’ve had to restrain myself in the comments sections lately on Facebook and whatever other articles I read about the SEs vs the original cuts because some people just seem hell bent on opposing causes like restoring the OT and allowing both versions to coexist without any real merit other than to make it look like we are overreacting. I’ve learned that arguing with these kinds of people gets you nowhere and just leads to endless back and forth bickering over the internet.

I have always had an appreciation for classic cinema since I was a child, and have always advocated for the closest approximation of any film’s original release version to be available on the market, so I understand that not everyone has that same appreciation but at the same time I cannot see how anyone can argue against it other than just to kiss George’s ass. If something doesn’t phase me or I am indifferent to it, I wouldn’t go out of my way to push my views on the matter down someone else’s throat, which is why it baffles me that people go out of their way to hackle people like us online for advocating and pushing for an official release of the unaltered original trilogy.

It is completely ridiculous at this point in time that practically any other film which has ever received this kind of a large scale revisionist treatment is allowed to co-exist with multiple other versions being available on the market in the same quality at the same time, but somehow no matter what Star Wars is always the exception to that rule, and people constantly go out of their way online to try and tell us how it is somehow acceptable just because it is their personal belief that the SEs are better.

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#1331622
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Anchorhead said:

Density said:

George didn’t gaslight us like that.

Lucas has been gaslighting the fan base for 40 years. Nine films, six films, twelve films, never about Vader, always about Vader, Vader not the father, Vader always the father, Han shot in self defense, Leia was always the sister, “what I’d always planned”, “I just didn’t have the technology in 1980/1977/1983”, The Original Vision, commissioned two authors to each write a second film, the 1977 negatives are gone forever, films should never be altered, the director can alter, etc, etc, etc.

He built the franchise off of gaslighting the fan base and his constant lying created the fracturing that led to things like this very community.

Exactly.

George is the undisputed King of gaslighting. He genuinely hoped (wishes?) that people would have bought into all of his bullsh*t and believe the constant contradictory statements he makes. I believe he hoped way back in 1995 with the final VHS and Laserdisc release of the original cuts that he would be able to get away with nonchalantly suppressing the original versions of the trilogy forever and that people wouldn’t really care too much, but when that plan backfired along with the mixed critical reception of the prequels, he became deeply resentful and started screwing around with the films even more just as an exercise of power. He wanted to beat people over the head with “These are MY films, I will do whatever the hell I want with them!”. So many of the nonsensical changes made since 1997 suggest this. Fans and the media had backed him into a corner over the years with questions regarding the unaltered OT, which is the only reason he ever publicly spoke about there being any other versions besides the SE after '97.

Disney have had a lot of issues of their own in regards to their handling of this franchise, but to me nothing they have done warrants George being placed on any higher of a pedestal than them. They have both done a disservice to fans in many different ways.

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#1330830
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Density said:
Disney is trying to pretend like the OUT doesn’t even exist. George didn’t gaslight us like that. He totally acknowledged it and was merely upfront in admitting that his new cuts were the real deal as far as he was concerned, and didn’t really care that many fans fell in love with the original cuts. But again, STILL he released the GOUT.

People try to argue this point all the time, but I personally don’t see how Disney has handled this issue any differently than George ever did.

George Lucas OFTEN tried to pretend that there was no other version of the films other than whatever his preferred version was at the time. No home video release after 1997 ever acknowledged that they contained anything other than the original films on the packaging, and if he could have gotten away with people not noticing or questioning any of the changes he made over the years, He would have probably preferred that. He only ever acknowledged the original versions when he was forced to. After 1997, He never openly or and willingly talked about any of the changes and if it weren’t for fans and interviewers constantly bringing the subject up he probably would have never acknowledged them ever again. The GOUT was not something he wanted to do, and was released primarily to stifle the bootleg market.

I definitely don’t think Disney has done the greatest job of handling the franchise for sure, but to say that they are any better or worse than George isn’t really fair. Disney/Lucasfilm are doing the exact same crap George had already been doing for years, probably somehow because of him still. They know the OUT exists, they know people want it, but whatever the reason may be they simply have no interest or intent to release it and have made that pretty clear.