Well for it to be a Resistance, it would need to be underground without official support. There was a deleted scene possibly.
That’s why I disagree with the notion that you can show someone the Plinkett reviews in order to convince them that the PT is bad.
If you have to convince someone that the PT is bad, you cannot convince them.
Rational arguments / irrational viewers.
Well that’s hard to judge after the fact for me. Things like The Scavenger and the Jedi Steps were great outside the movie, but here it’s less noticeable listening separately.
Red itself being “bad” is just a terrible idea though.
I always heard them say something about ‘Hot Gassing’.
Random memory glitch - for a while as a kid I remembered Vader and Ben duelling on a catwalk, like the one where the tractor beam control was.
DrDre said:
This would be fine, if it were not for the fact, that Han, Luke, and Leia are main characters in the saga, and the fact that we’ve already seen three movies about a relatively small rebel force fighting a big bad Empire. It’s extremely jarring to just skip the development of characters you’re invested in, at least for me.
They were only the main characters of the OT, albeit with some carry over since Kasdan got his ROTJ ending ideas put into TFA. But the way you phrase it explains why TLJ doesn’t work for you. I have no problem skipping stuff since they are not the protagonists.
CatBus said:
As far as the general public is concerned, it’s been replaced.
If they know at all. I think most don’t even know what they have is putrefied.
I think it’s more the cast than nostalgia for the other movie.
I’m shocked that anyone could ever sit through the entire Holiday Special. I think I might have made it through five or ten minutes at the most.
I watch it on YouTube all the time. Bea Arthur is great. It’s definitely better than the prequels and special editions. No, that’s not hyperbole. There is nothing in the Holiday Special worse than jar-jar or that Jedi rocks musical crap.
No, it’s not better than the prequels or SEs.
Art is objective, not subjective.
Okay. The Holiday Special is objectively not art.
Many artisans died to bring us the disturbing Bacca family.
Someone in another thread asked if a Jedi or Sith ever stopped a Light Saber from starting. I’m curious about this too.
I have a teniously related thought.
So in several movies, dropping the saber makes it turn off. But why? Also in ROTJ Vader throws his, it hits the catwalk Luke is on and then turns off. What’s going on, some kinda magic powers?
They spoke and drew attention to themselves awkwardly.
Some people really get off on awkward distracting scenes that fail to propel the story forward at all. They should probably stop trying to appease that part of the audience.
His appearance in itself wouldn’t be fan service if he did something of value to the plot. Mon Mothma and Jimmy Smits weren’t fan service. They had a tangible purpose in the film. I’d have much preferred Vader to the cartoon Tarkin though. His lightsaber battle actually might have been better had he been built up in the film itself and not just thrown in there under the assumption that he’s the most badassest villain in the galaxy.
Agreed. The final moment is the most obvious reshoot too.
I think … I did it one time. The memory is partly blocked out. It’s not even bad in an entertaining way, it’s just horribly boring.
Zombie Star Wars is episodes II and III. They totally buried it, but it kept coming back.
I’m gonna ignore these monolithic posts and share the IHE review/discussion of reactions overall.
I’m going to ignore both!
You’re missing out.
Yes, it looks bad so you feel dirty and uncomfortable while watching it. The epilogue is filmed in an entirely different style.
I’m gonna ignore these monolithic posts and share the IHE review/discussion of reactions overall.
The more layers you composite together with film, the grainier the shot will end up, since the grain of each layer of film is included in the composite. With digital compositing you can isolate the elements and combine them all separately, so you’re not adding grain on top of grain on top of grain.
True. But what did the SE version do to make it so clean and crisp, particularly the vents on the back end - and about that was the offensive to the restoration plan?
I thought that the tower would have to be near/at the top of the DS2, otherwise the battle would be happening above them from their perspective.
Yeah it’s the observation tower so he can look down on everyone
Sorry I say grainier as a catch-all term, it generally looks blurrier and more washed out. I’m assuming this is what it probably looked like between 1980 to 1995 but it’s been so long. Just curious on the technical differences, beyond of course just rotoscoping in GOUT elements which are poorer resolution. Unless these bits are taken directly from the older releases (specifically shots of the speeders approaching Han’s igloo, the flat angle as they go over the trenches, and the low level angle as they use the tow cable).
In ESB Despecialized the speeders on Hoth look far grainier than they did in the SE version, but how could that be? Is this just a result of recomping the effects?
Hahah thanks that was great
That can’t be true, since they don’t need to use footage that is actually in the movie…
How are we supposed to explain it in the film? A brief interlude with a soliloquy by Pablo Hidalgo ecplaining the continuity?
The answer is of course to stop the movie at a suitable moment, insert a bell sound effect and have a brain dead Cinemasins voice over complain about it.