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#224887
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The Official Lucasfilm Response
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Originally posted by: ADigitalMan
That's it in a nutshell. But his notion is dead wrong. Because his "perfectionism" has caused people to actually hate Star Wars when they didn't before. Immaculate CG does not tell a story. His ability to tell a story has diminished, and he's screwed up the ones that didn't need fixing in the first place. He's changing history because he can. He's mucking up his stories because he can. He's holding out on the very people who made him what he is because he can.

C-3PO or Han Solo would call it delusions of grandeur, but I have one word to describe his entire attitude: Megalomania.


I just don't undestand it, that's all. Why does he hate his own creations so much? It would be one thing if the studio had edited them like the infamous "Love conquers all" version of Brazil (which, although Gilliam despises it with every fiber of his being, is still available), but he made them...well, some of them. I keep wondering if there is some deep-seated reason for it.
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#224645
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Funny Amazon review for OOT DVD
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Originally posted by: Cable-X1
This review pretty much sums up what I feel....I just don't care anymore. All I want are the originals in the best possible way and that's that.

I know I've said I won't give Lucas another cent, but I will be buying these for the originals and shitcanning the 2004 version and the packaging. I'm simply taking the disks and putting them in some cd envelopes and storing them in a trunk in my closet. They'll last at least a century on those disks, so that will be good enough for me.

After that though, I don't care anymore. I'm tired of this crap and I'm through with Lucas. No nostalgia, no stories, no nothing. I just want my OOT and then I want to forget about Lucas, Lucasfilm, Star Wars and everything to do with it.

And yeah...if a better release comes out eventually, I will get it, but I won't be happy about it. But once I do get that better release, I won't EVER buy another. I mean, seriously...buying umpteen releases of the same 3 to 6 movies is ridiculous. I don't have money falling out of my ass, George. Glad you do....but I don't. So take your ultimate, mega, super special edition release and shove it far up your ass and just give me my friggin' OOT.

Sorry, went off there.....

Just getting tired of the gimmicks....not just with Star Wars though...with all movie and music releases....there's always some special release coming out....whatever happened to one release and that's it?



You could join the campaign to send back the SE discs to Lucas.
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#224576
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Lucas talks about the Sept 12th Release of the O-OT
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Originally posted by: Tiptup
They might not outsell, and if I'm going to get them, which I probably will, I'm going to not leave any wiggle room for them to see which version I prefer.

More power too you. It appears that, even after our long hard battle, the fight for the OOT is still far from over, and is a waiting game
yet again.

"But we're not sure how many people want that."


Just ask. This is not the only message board where fans prefer the OOT.

"Now we'll find out whether they really wanted the original or whether they wanted the improved versions," he said. "It'll all come out in the end."


Let's hope he gets the message and fans do not disappoint him.
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#224368
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Some ludicrously optimistic thoughts...
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Is it even vaguely possible that Lucas, especially given his recent comments in the MTV interview about finding out which version people prefer, is releasing the September release to test the waters to see if there is money in including the OOT in the 30th anniversary boxed set. It would be logical (not that LFL have ever been logical when it comes to the OOT, but...). With Robert A. Harris volunteering, and the mass of complaints about the release (so overwhelming, in fact, that LFL actually answered), is it possible?
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#224340
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Are you Going to buy them ?
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: auraloffalwaffle

Do we not have, on this site, an email FROM LUCASFILM detailing the non-anamorphic version of the OOT which will be bundled with the 'bonus material'?

Is there not information on this site and others about the sources used to make these DVDs of the OOT?

Are we, then, to ignore this, let the DVDs be released without saying a word (thereby allowing the LucasFilm / Newscorp publicity and promotions juggernaut to make the release a commercial success) and THEN try to gain support for an argument for a more satisfactory release?

Won't it already be too late?

Yes, the time to complain is now, while there's still a chance to affect the outcome.


I don't know if we can affect the September release, but hopefully we can influence future releases of the OOT, if there are any.

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#224285
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Are you Going to buy them ?
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
Originally posted by: Mike O
Originally posted by: Jobel
Of course if people don't buy them, Lucas will just take that as an indication that nobody wants the OT.


And therein lies the catch 22.


Exactly. However....there's another catch. Lucas is supposedly doing this as an experiment to find out which version people prefer. However, as any fifth grade science teacher will tell you, when you set up an experiment, there are some rules that must be followed, like having the experiment be fare. If you want to find out what food a frog prefers, you give it two different foods at different times. You don't just shove them down its throat at the same time.

If you didn't get my metaphor, to have a fair experiment, Lucas would have to package the OOT and the 2004SE seperately to see which sells better.

So, back to my starting point, catch number two is, even if this set sells better than any DVD ever sold, Lucas will just take it as people just wanted the 2004 edition again, only with new packaging and a second disk.

(That's why sending back SE discs is a good idea.)


There is a whole Thread about sending back the SEs. I wonder, if a good number of people do it, how Lucas will react, and what message it will send. See the thing is, Lucas will of course know why they did not sell well if they do not. But he will still have a valid excuse for not releasing the OOT again. That is, of course, if this release doesn't sell well. I ran into a pair of people at Blockbuster the other day who grew up with the OOT and were none too thrilled at the SEs. I'm wondering how much of the general population, people who do not know or care about the non-anamorphic issue, will buy these DVDs. If they do sell well, then one of several thing could happen. Lucas could say that now people have what he considers to be an inferior version and he never needs to release it again. Or, God willing, he will see that there is a market for it and contact Robert A. Harris. If restored versions of the OOT are included on the 30th anniversary boxed set, I would buy it without a moment's hesitation, unless it got horrendous reviews. So that I can sleep at night , I tell myself that LFL is releaseing these to test the waters (which I discussed in the afforementioned thread) to see if they should include a better version of the OOT in the upcoming boxed set. I doubt it, of course, but its something to hope for. A remastered OOT=more sales. If it is included in the boxed set, which will of course be high-priced, Lucas knows that people like me would pay through the nose to get it. But whoever said that LFL think logically, especially when it comes to the OOT?
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#224283
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Explaining the shoddy OOT treatment in public
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Originally posted by: SW
If we can view Gone with the wind at 16;9 i think ! Then why not Star Wars ?


Wasn't Gone With the Wind filmed in the Academy Ratio of 1.33:1 of 1.37:1, fullscreen? Did widescreen exist back then? Oh, and hte unfortunate answer to your question is that Lucas feels that these are nothing more than rough drafts and that the SEs are the movies, period, and that ergo, the Star Wars trilogy has been released in 16:9. Nevermind that The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, Alien, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, Aliens, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Alien 3, Vanishing Point, Alien Resurrection, The Abyss, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, E.T. The Extraterrestrial, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, Brazil, Braindead, and The Leopard, to name a few DVDs, all present both version in high-quality.
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#224109
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Why all the negative coments about george lucas?
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Lucas has brought most of this on himself. Unlike Spielberg, Cameron, etc., he INSISTS on forcing the SE down our throats. I really thinks he takes the fans for granted, and I'm sure that those of us who prefer the OOT annoy him to no end.


See, that's the thing that I think angers a lot of people. Lucas is entitled to do whatever he wants to the films he owns. Fans criticize Lucas because he continues to state the OOT does not exist. I cannot think of any other filmaker who wants to surpress a version of their own work so badly. I don't hate Lucas. Why would I? For all I know, he may very well be a nice man. I just want a high quality copy of the OOT on DVD with crisp anamorphic widescreen and booming sound form the original mixes, like 99.99% of the DVDs which have been released. I also want this version to be made available on HD-DVD, Blu-Ray, and future home video formats so that I am given a choice about which version to watch. People criticize Lucas because he wants to surpress these versions of the films. People criticize him because he does not want to make these version availible to the viewing public, many of whom prefer them. I never said it was my movie. But I love the original version of it, and want a high quality release of the OOT. Lucas does not want to make this available when he is capable of doing so. Therefore, people criticize him. The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, Alien, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, Aliens, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Alien 3, Vanishing Point, Alien Resurrection, The Abyss, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, E.T. The Extraterrestrial, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, Brazil, Braindead, and The Leopard, are all available in multiple versions, among others. Why not three of the most popular and influential films ever made? That, I think, is why people criticize George Lucas.
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#223902
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Originally posted by: Davis
I definitely think we should all mail the same letter. It'd be really fitting- when we complained about the 16x9 issue, they just gave us a form response.

So we give them a form response when we send our discs back.


I think that line of thought is too clever for its own good.


How about putting their "We want you to be aware that we have no plans-now or in the future to restore the earlier versions" above something to the effect of "Then, unfortunately, I have no plans, now or in the future to purchaes future Star Wars releases until a restoration of the original versions is produced." Something polite, but which lets them know that we heard them and want them to hear us. It wouldn't insult anyone. It'd just make a point.
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#223899
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What is meant by 'Special Edition'?
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Yeah I thought it was really sneaky of them to make no mention on the 2004 boxed set, that they were the Special Editions (or this week's version of the Special Editions, anyway).


What, you mean you wanted a high-quality choice between both versions? Like the DVDs of The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring, Alien, The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers, Aliens, The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King, Alien 3, Vanishing Point, Alien Resurrection, The Abyss, Terminator 2: Judgment Day, E.T. The Extraterrestrial, Apocalypse Now, Blade Runner, Brazil, Braindead, and The Leopard, to name a few DVDs? Is that what you mean?
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#223898
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Explaining the shoddy OOT treatment in public
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Originally posted by: Guy Caballero
What really sucks is trying to explain the whole thing to anyone in the outside world. Come September, it's going to be hard to come off as anything but bitter nerds. "No, this IS the version I want, but anamorphic blah blah". It just sounds so lame. We're going to be easy to dismiss.

I constantly hear that. Go over to the non-anamorrphic announcement at Ain't It Cool News. The bashing OOT fans get for complaining is unbelieveable. In a few years, when 16X9 T.V.s become the norm, this issue will come into sharper focus (no pun intended). It's just that people look and go "whiny fanboys." I'm very glad that the OOT is coming out on DVD, but if Hillside Cannibals and the other obscure B-movie rentals at Blockbuster can contain anamorphic widescreen and crisp 5.1 and 2.0 sound, why can't what are arguably the three most popular movies ever made in the version that many people seem to prefer?

The negatives of the OOT were destroyed, so the Laserdisc master is the only high quality source left to make a DVD.

Didn't Lucas attempt to destroy all of the original prints of the OOT to ensure that it "doesn't exist" and that the SEs are the only version available?

It would cost a fortune to make a new transfer from surviving film elements.

Lucasfilm Limited is a multi-billion dollar company which owns on the most popular and lucrative marketing franches in the world. Robert A. Harris, the noted film restorationist who restored Lawrence of Arabia, Vertigo, and Sparticus has volunteered his services. Quite frankly, there are a lot of people, like myself, who would pay quite a bit for a properly restored version of the OOT. It just seems like viable business to me. But I'm not in charge of a multi-billion dollar company, so I could be wrong.

But in the end, it is just about them being non-anamorphic. Luckily, as a 4:3 TV user, the non anamorphic issue does not bother me.


Now. But who knows? 16X9 T.V.s could become the norm in the future.

We should be grateful that Lucas is doing his fans a favour and release the OOT, no matter what quality comes out. The Goodwill counts.


Yes, and I am glad that it is being released, but I still think that there is vailidity to comlaining here.

Possibly the best way to frame the argument is to ask how they would feel if another movie they loved was treated so badly. Imagine the outcry if the only version of Gone With the Wind the public could ever see again was this!


Yes, but unfortunately, The Star Wars DVD situation is unlike any other because of the "The SEs are the movies. Period." side of the argument.
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#223896
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Soundtrack Listing
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Originally posted by: Neil S. Bulk
Star Wars

The Empire Strikes Back

Return of the Jedi

Neil

Thanks Mr. Bulk. i thought that you might be able to help. This might interest you. Another non-anamorphic DVD release in 2006. For shame. The strange thing is that this particulra season was filmed in widescreen, and they only decided to release it as such after a mass letter-writing campaign. Future sets will be 16X9. You think in 2006 widesceen automatically=anamorphic. Thanks again sir.

Are you also interested in his other soundtrack recordings, or just the Star Wars movies?


Well, I obviously brough this up here because it's a Star Wars forum, but I'd be most interested in other soundtracks as well. Thanks.
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#223544
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Mike O

Since it is "bonus material," they technically don't have to list anything about, or at least that is what it looks like. I wonder how much of the general population will buy this release; in other words, I wonder if it's just us who are interested in the OOT, or whether others are as well. I hope against hope that this release will sell well and send a clear message to LFL, but who knows? If the 30th Anniversary boxed set did contain high-quality releases of the OOT, I would buy it without question. But at this point, it looks like everything is up in the air.

Whatever became of the plan to mail back the SE discs? Is it still going on? And how many people are doing it. Just idol curiosity.

I think they will sell very well. I'm sure they're going to be marketing them heavily, especially since they are a "limited edition" to go out of print right after Christmas. I think they will use nostalgia as a marketing tool, and aim them at those who were old enough to have seen them in the theaters originally (baby boomers and gen-Xers).

I'm planning on sending my discs back to Lucasfilm. I was considering selling them on eBay, but I doubt I will get very much for them.

Who else is planning on sending their SE discs back to GL???


I sincerely hope that you are right, the discs sell well, and that LFL is sent a clear message. At this point, all I can do is cross my fingers. Still, LFL aren't exactly shy about multiple release, and the MTV interview commments by Lucas are very telling. Are LFL marketing the heck out of this? I haven't seen any adds yet. Well, it's back to the waiting game. Those sending back their SE discs are mentioned at the beginning of the thread. I wonder if anyone else is going to be involved?
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#223519
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Mike O

See, now, here's the catch 22. Since a lot of people won't buy non-anamorphic releases, it may affect sales. The question is, how good will sales of these releases be and what kind of message will that send? I suppose that we'll find out in a few months. Lets keep our fingers crossed...apparently for the next year at least.


"It probably won't say on the package "non-anamorphic" just "widescreen-letterbox" or just "widescreen". Those who don't visit these boards probably won't even know until they get home and try to watch it on their widescreen TV."


Since it is "bonus material," they technically don't have to list anything about, or at least that is what it looks like. I wonder how much of the general population will buy this release; in other words, I wonder if it's just us who are interested in the OOT, or whether others are as well. I hope against hope that this release will sell well and send a clear message to LFL, but who knows? If the 30th Anniversary boxed set did contain high-quality releases of the OOT, I would buy it without question. But at this point, it looks like everything is up in the air.

Whatever became of the plan to mail back the SE discs? Is it still going on? And how many people are doing it. Just idle curiosity.