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#220303
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Mike O
Given that about 75,000 people signed the petition, perhaps Jay could enlist their support and we could all agree on a specific day to send e-mails. Given the influx of new members, if these addresses all receve 75,000+ e-mails on the same topic on same day, it'd be hard for them to ignore. Just a suggestion.

That's a fantastic idea- Jay has the email addresses for everyone who signed the petition, maybe he could send out an email to everyone on the list and ask them to help out.
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#220120
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Addresses and contacts for various media outlets go in here
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Originally posted by: Darth_Evil
What did the reply say?

Oh, it had nothing to do with Star Wars. I wrote him a note a few years ago asking about the MaxiVision photography/projection system and if it was gaining any acceptance.
He replied:

"Have you been to their website? www.mv48.com

I think they're feeling hopeful...

RE"



I guess MaxiVision didn't make it- because their website isn't working anymore. He had discussed MaxiVision on his TV show, and said how far superior it was to any of the digital projection systems that the movie industry seem to be heading towards.
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#220107
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
Originally posted by: Davis
I definitely think we should all mail the same letter. It'd be really fitting- when we complained about the 16x9 issue, they just gave us a form response.

So we give them a form response when we send our discs back.


I think that line of thought is too clever for its own good.

I agree- the form letter idea is sounding better and better. Maybe it should say (in big letters) "FORM LETTER" at the top...LOL

Damaging the discs is not a good idea- it will seem petty. We should just leave them in tact. GL is not going to re-sell them.

How about this:

.......................................FORM LETTER............................................

Dear Mr. Lucas,

Enclosed, please find my three Star Wars Trilogy Special Edition DVDs that I received as a bonus when I purchased the Original Versions of the Star Wars Trilogy on September 12th.

I would have preferred that the Original Version DVDs be in a 16:9 anamorphic format, but since this is all that's currently available, I guess will have to settle for non-anamorphic for the time being.

I would much rather watch the Original Version DVDs in a non-anamorphic format than watch the Special Editions in an anamorphic format- so I give my DVDs to you. You may do with them what you like.

Sincerely,
(your name here)

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#220101
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I actaully PREFER seeing the black bars, even on my widescreen TV.
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Originally posted by: jack Spencer Jr
Originally posted by: marioxb
But I'm not talking about 4x3 movies (sorta). I'm talking about letterboxed (or animorphic) movies. I just like seeing the bars there on the top and bottom (not on the sides). Seeing the bars just makes me happy and reminds me that I'm watching in widescreen.


When you eventually get a widescreen television, which you will once they become standard and your old set dies, you'll change your tune on that.

He does have a widescreen TV. LOL

marioxb- you have me totally confused now. I thought you said you liked watching the movies in the middle of the screen? What you're saying now is that you don't like it when movies are exactly 16:9 because then there are no bars at the top and bottom?
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#220100
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Say the SE release in theaters bombed in 1997?
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Originally posted by: ricarleite
A question. Let's say I have a movie theater and I want to show Star Wars on it. So I get in touch with my local 20th century fox distributor and request a copy. What will they give me? 1997 or 2004?

Also: I am not sure if some of you remember, but there was this movie festival somewhere in the US and they were showing one film for each decade, and the 70s were to be represented by Star Wars, and they HAD an O-OT film to show, but Lucasfilm denied permission to show anything else bu the 1997 version (this was before 2004). So if the O-OT is out there in celluloid, it can be transfered properly into DVD.

If you owned a movie theater- you would get the 1997 version (I think), because the 2004 changes were for the DVD, and whatever available prints there are for movie theaters are probably the '97 versions.

How ridiculous- wanting people to show a film that used CGI from 1997 in a 1970s film festival. That perfectly encapsulates the silliness of wanting to foist a new version of a classic film on people who don't want to see it.

If I ever have children, I will show them the OOT when they are the right age. I will tell them that the films were released in 1977, 1980 and 1983, and explain to them how groundbreaking the special effects were at the time. I will tell them how a special computer had to be invented to precisely control the movements of the camera, so that they could shoot the miniature spaceships in a such a way to create the illusion of flight, and how all the backgrounds were painted by hand, on glass. They will NOT be watching the Special Editions under my roof. Imagine trying to explain how these films changed your life when you saw them as a kid, but having to explain to your child "well, not this part- this part wasn't in the 1977 version.....and that part.....and that thing flying around- that was added in 1997". It's ludicrous.

I'm sure many prints of the OT still exist, it's just that GL doesn't want anyone to see them. Even when they show clips of the films in TV shows, they use the '97 versions (like when they show the death star exploding, it's ALWAYS the version with the stupid ring around it).
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#220016
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Sluggo
I nuked my copy of Jedi last week. It gave Hayden the crispy treatment again. I WILL NOT watch that scene again. Doesn't that ruin your microwave? LOL Did you save the disc? You should send it to Lucasfilm.

The Jedi SE DVDs also make decent coasters.

Originally posted by: THX
I don't think you'll get everyone to agree on the wording and I think individual letters would be better in some ways. My advice would be to keep your letters as brief and to the point as possible, as long as they mention:
1) you bought the set for the OUT;
2) you'd buy it again on an HD format.

Sending the discs back is an unequivocal insult to the SE and enough of a statement of displeasure. I don't think snide comments will help in any way.

That's a good suggestion. As long as we keep the notes short and to the point....

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#220013
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I actaully PREFER seeing the black bars, even on my widescreen TV.
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Originally posted by: Darth Richard
On my DVD's when I use the theater setting to make the bars smaller I don't loose any picture. So I haven o idea what your on about lol. Then I'm like you to try and watch Ben Hur on a 4:3 display. That would be terrible.
I think what marioxb is saying is that he doesn't like to fill the 16:9 screen with the image- he prefers to leave it in 4:3 letterbox mode, so that there are bars on all 4 sides of the image- like a frame.

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#219880
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: THX
It costs less than a dollar to send 3 discs without covers first class.

Yeah, the postage isn't really the issue- it's going to be cheap either way.

I guess what we need to figure out is should we send them all together with a petition- and make a big statement, or send them in individually- like a.....constant.......steady........stream......like water torture.

If we decide to send them out individually, they should each be sent with a uniform letter -- one that we can all agree on.


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#219874
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Say the SE release in theaters bombed in 1997?
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
I was pleased with every single SE change... when I was under the impression that it was a novelty, a 20th anniversary special, not a replacement to the classic films.
This gave me a chuckle, as it reminded me of my actions immediately following my seeing the SE in '97.....

I disliked most of the SE changes, and after I saw them, I remembered the "one last time" tagline when the 1995 OT THX editions were released. I started to panic and started searching through magazines for a Columbia House Laserdisc Club ad. (yes, there used to be a LD club). They still had the 1995 THX LDs available, so I joined the club and purchased all three films (I did not own a LD player at the time- but I knew that LDs had something like 60% better video quality than VHS). At some point, the '95 LDs were going out-of-print, and CH had them on clearance for $10 a piece. So, I bought another set, just to be on the safe side. I figured- this MAY be the best quality I'll ever get for the OT. Up until then I only had them on VHS (the original individual FOX VIDEO releases, the "hologram" letterbox set, the 1995 THX Pan-and-Scan set, and the 1995 THX letterbox set).

Three years ago, I FINALLY got a LD player, and watched my LDs for the first time. I was amazed at how much better they looked than the VHS versions. I started transferring them to DVD right away. I've since sold most of my VHS copies, except for the 2 widescreen boxed sets.

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#219772
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OK, the DVDs are coming...so how bad are they going to look?
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Originally posted by: Z6PO

People that use Apple computers? Apple monitors and Apple notebooks screens are all widescreens (the aspect ratio is 16:10, on all models).

As to movies looking better on a TV than a monitor, I don't see why there should be a difference.

I read somewhere once that DVDs don't look their best on computer monitors because the pixels on a computer are a different shape than those on a TV. I don't know how much truth there is to that, though.

Some of my DVDs look gorgeous on my computer, some don't. The DVDs I record myself don't look good when played on my computer, for some reason- lots of motion artifacts, etc., but look great when played on my TV (I have an old Apple iMac and an early version of Apple DVD player, BTW).
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#219767
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Scruffy
I agree with THX. Many individuals sending in discs will look like a grassroots, bottom-up campaign. Sending them all in at once will look like astroturfing. And the talk of the cost of shipping is a bit much. These are just 80mm plastic discs here; even if we somehow get a hundred, they can all be put in a spindle and sent via Media Mail for three dollars, or priority for $8.10. I think it's better to organize this as a project, with a permanent or long-term website encouraging people to send the SE discs home.

That's true, it won't be expensive to send the discs- media mail is cheap.

Whether or not it's a better idea to send them in individually or in bulk will be something we'll have to think about and discuss over the next few months.
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#219763
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I actaully PREFER seeing the black bars, even on my widescreen TV.
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
How about this? When watching a non-anamorphic DVD on a widescreen tv with the black bars on all sides, does this mean you are NOT losing any picture due to the overscan of the tv?
Yeah, you're not losing any of the picture information- just 1/3 of the resolution. I think what marioxb was saying is that s/he LIKES the bars on all sides- even if the picture is anamorphic, so s/he leaves the widescreen TV in 4:3 letterbox mode.
Originally posted by: ricarleite
The movie is 2.35x1. Your widescreen TV is 16x9. It will show those lovely black bars anyway, even if it's anamorphic. End of discussion? Dead thread?
That's only if the DVD retains the original aspect ratio, and the film isn't cropped on the left and right to make it exactly 16:9.
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#219645
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: 20th Century Mark
Well, someone who is close to Lucasfilm to keep the cost low. Everybody can mail their discs along with some cash to help pay for the big shipment. Or maybe we create a PayPal account and start collecting or something. I'd volunteer to do it, but I'm in Canada, so it will cost a lot to ship to California.

What about Jay? Do you think he'd be interested in spearheading this? I'd be happy to send my SE discs along with a check for a few bucks, to help cover the shipping cost to whomever is willing to pack up and ship the discs.

Somebody who lives out west would be best, to keep the shipping cost down. Hopefully - there will be a LOT of discs!!
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#219643
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: Uhfgood
Has anyone thought GL might have wanted to wait until the hidef thing was in full swing, and then magically produce really awesome cleaned up hidef versions of the original trilogy on hddvd or blu-ray? But because we kept crying about it instead he's going to release a bunch of shoddy original trilogy re-releases in order to milk more money from us?

No, I don't think that's the case. The outcry for the OT on DVD had died down a bit, since the 2004 DVD release. I think most of us had resigned ourselves to the idea that the OT was never coming out on DVD. I even bought a LD player, and transferred the 1995 LDs to DVD. I made one set for myself, and another set for my nephew. I figured those would be the only DVDs of the OT I would ever have.

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#219631
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I actaully PREFER seeing the black bars, even on my widescreen TV.
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Originally posted by: marioxb
So it really doesn't bother me EVER about non-animorphic. Ever since I first discovered the joy of widescreen, (probably with the VHS Star Wars Trilogy- the one with the holofoil cover and From SW to Jedi tape) I always tried to track down the widescreen version of movies. Which, having never owned an LD player and never owning DVD until The Matrix was released, was pretty difficult. Eventually the black bars grew on me until I really didn't notice them. Many years later, I got a widescreen TV and now I can't watch movies without seeing the bars there. It just feels more "cinematic" to me with the black bars. I tried setting my DVD to 16x9 every once in a while, but I just hate it. It feels like I am missing something. And I swear on 1:85:1 movies, a little itty bit of the top and bottom is missing. I noticed this with Resident Evil. I can't be bothered to constantly change the settings, so I just leave it set 4x3 letterbox all the time. I really and truly love seeing those crazy black bars framing my movie. I know I sound like the total opposite of "Joe-six-pack" who loves his full screen movies and hates the black bars, but I really would rather watch movies on my widecreen TV showing some sort of black bars at the top and bottom. I don't even care if the bars are larger than the picture, or how large the bars are, it just makes me feel better knowing I am for sure watching the movie the way I am supposed to, in widescreen. Part of this could be that I watch full screen in stretched mode (which I don't notice the stretching anymore)- the mode where absolutly nothing is cut off of the screen. If I don't see the bars, I kinda think I may be watching the movie in full screen by accident. I also would rather have subtitles always appear in the bottom black box.

So anyone else actually prefer seeing black bars framing the widescreen picture, even on a widescreen TV?

I'm sure that there are some 2.35:1 movies that are cropped on the sides to exactly fit into a 16:9 anamorphic frame- but they don't always do that. I have a lot of films shot in 2.35:1 that retain very slim bars at the top and bottom, yet are still anamorphic (it's just that the sides aren't cropped). I definitely prefer the slim bars, over losing information on the sides.

I'm not sure, but I think most anamorphic DVDs now retain the original aspect ratios of super-widescreen movies, rather than cropping the sides to make them 16:9, by leaving slim bars at the top and bottom. I could be wrong about that, though.

But, the non-anamorphic thing is STILL bad, because you're losing like 30% of the lines of resolution.

Are you saying that you like the bars on the sides too?


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#219527
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What are you going to do with your SE discs?
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Originally posted by: THX
Sending the SE discs back is an appropriate statement with an inescapable meaning.
Rendering them unplayable appears spiteful and is likely to make the statement be ignored.


I agree- I don't think they should be made unplayable, what's the point in that?

Just sending them in will get the message across just fine.

Is there some way we can get something official organized? Like, an address where we could all send them to, so that they can be collected and sent in all in one package? Do you think that would be better than just each of us sending them to Lucasfilm individually?