Michal

russs15 and The Aluminium Falcon, thank you very much! It is wonderful that all existed "releases" of DVB recordings of 97 SE are now avaliable!

msycamore said:

I did my own version way back with a combination of Flunk and Reivax with the latter as a base, similar to what mallwalker once uploaded to the newsgroup

Maybe this is not right thread to ask O:-) but does anyone know if the mallwalker's version has the aspect ratio corrected or not? And is it avaliabe somewhere else than on newsgroups?

If the version itself and its smearing isn't enough I think all these are basically unwatchable without re-authoring with their stretched image and PAL-speedup.

As I live in Europe, the PAL-speedup is OK for me :-), but I agree that the stretched image is really annoying. Fortunately, Media Player Classic has a function that allows you to modify - zoom/stretch the image during playing so you can easily stretch the x axis of picture by pressing "8".

BTW does anybody know why the image off all these DVB recordings is stretched? I can't imagine how this could have happened just by recording from DVB-S reciever to DigiBetaCam tape and then trasnferring to PC. Or was it already broadcasted with this bad aspect ratio?

The Aluminum Falcon said:

dark_jedi said:

I changed the thread title for you guys, so go ahead and take over this thread, it is all yours now.

Ah sorry for taking the thread like that. Does this mean your 1997 Blu-Ray project is no longer on?

I am also sorry. Maybe I should have posted my questions about past and recent DV Broadcasts of 1997 SE in a new thread.

> Harmy, grisan, The Aluminium Falcon:

Once again, thank you very much for sahring this!

grisan said:

I have seen parts of the 2010 broadcasts on Pro7 and one earlier this year. I am pretty sure these were the 2004 SE.

Thank you. I am glad to find someone who knows something about these broadcasts. :-) If they were 2004 SE this is unfortunate.

I know of a german star wars forum with a lot of big star wars collectors. Mostly action figures, comics, toys, books and other official material, but there might be someone that has good recordings of the 2008 broadcast.

Thank you, this is a good idea. Could you please write me the adress where can I find this forum?

However you should know that Pro7 is a station that has several commercial breaks per movie and they usually display a logo within the movie frame.

Yes, I know. Thank you. I apologize to the others if this wasn't clear from the YT videos. But they don't display the advertisements within the movie frame, do they?

So I think that the small transparent logo in the corner of the movie picture is much better than smearing and maybe it can be hidden by some picture from GKar. But unfortunately we don't know yet if there is a smearing or not in this broadcast...

You are welcome :-)

I totally understand you, my reasons for searching the highest quality 1997 SE versions possible are the same. As I am born in 1990 the 1997 SE version was the first one I saw.

I have got GKar Episode V (which I was downloading for about 3 months from an ed2k network :-) ), but I haven't got an usenet account.

So I can PM you where you can find the ed2k links or upload it where you wish :-)

The Aluminum Falcon said:

I believe that the problem was that the processes in those days to capture digital broadcasts usually caused heavy smearing; however, recently someone did suggest that the smearing was inherent to the 1997 Telecine.

Oh, I see. Thank you, I didn't know that.

If the first theory is correct and the broadcast you pointed out is recent enough, then there is a possibility that we could find a recording with no smearing, which would be utterly fantastic.

I hope that the first theory is correct. We will see. The broadcast is sure recent enough, the author of the first YT video I refered to has confirmed that the recording was taken in 2008. Unfortunately he didn't record the whole movie and nor the author of second YT video. And I have got no German friends so it will be quite hard to find someone who has the recording of this boradcast.

BTW, Return Of The Jedi was also broadcasted on Pro7 in 2009, 2010 and this year (see eg. http://www.cinefacts.de/tv/filmtv.php?id=18234 ) and it will be highly likely broadcasted the next year but I don't know which version it was/will be...

Good luck trying to find someone though. In the years this forum has been active, not many digital broadcast recordings have surfaced and all with the smearing, so it may be pretty hard to find a high quality recording...

Thank you. If I find someone, I will let you know.

Nobody answers so I continue my monologue :-) and I have a good news! According to this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=difZ95qsi5U&feature=related (look at time 0:50) it is now sure that the 97 SE version!! of ROTJ was broadcasted on Pro7 about 3 years ago!

So all we have to do is to find someone who recorded this broadcast and we will have a HQ 97 SE ROTJ!

Any ideas who could have this recording?

adywan said:

They broadcast episodes 4 & 5 1997 SE version on ITV1 a couple of years ago but they switched to the 2004 version of ROTJ because ITV HD had just started and they wanted to show it in HD. The 1997 versions were cropped though to 16:9 to fill the screen so weren't really any good to archive.

I am not sure if this will help but according to this video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LilnZm2Judg - it seems that 97 SE version of Return Of The Jedi was broadcasted on German SAT channel Pro7 about three years ago. So maybe this could be a possible HQ source of 97 SE ROTJ. What do you think about  that?

Ripplin said:

Man, their standards for the Czech audio sure were...different, to put it mildly. Old VHS or not, they shouldn't sound like that. I'm trying not to sound negative, but I can't help but feel that it seems unfair to the Czech fans! They don't deserve to get guy-talking-into-a-bucket Vader. :p

But, of course, I find it very interesting, and even though I don't speak it, I'm glad you put it on! :)

Well, I am Czech and I have to say a few words to explain the poor quality of the Czech dubbing Harmy put on his AVCHD.

Actually, there exist three Czech dubbings of Original Trilogy nowadays. The first one was made in 1992 for Guild Home Video for its VHS release and this is the one which Harmy put on his AVCHD. Its quality is really not so good... Only 10 dub-actors for whole movie, bad sound mix only in mono... There were made a lot of dubbings like this in Czech republic in early 90s. Because before 1989 (Velvet Revolution) there were not so many foreign films avalaible on VHS and after 1989 there appeared a lot of companies that profited this situation and wanted to made money at first place. So they had the dubbings made for the lowest price possible (usually with few dub-actors in some non-professional studio which was often located in some small room) and didn't care much abou its quality.

So Guild Home Video had this bad quality dubbing made because their release of SW Trilogy was the first one in Czech republic and they could be sure that people would buy it. So they had no reason to spend the money for a high quality dubbing...

The second Czech dubbing of Original Trilogy was made by Bonton Home Video in 1995 for its VHS release and Harmy put this one only on his ESB AVCHD:

AUDIO:

TRACK 1) hairy_hen's 5.1 purist mix @ 448Kbps AC3

TRACK 2) 1993 2.0 mix @ 320Kbps AC3

TRACK 3) 1980 2.0 mix @ 224Kbps

TRACK 4) 1992 2.0 CZ dub @ 192Kbps

TRACK 5) 1997 2.0 CZ dub @ 192Kbps

The sound is much better, Dolby Surround 2.0, but unfortunately the translation is not so good...

So for the Blu-ray release the third dubbing was made this year with right translation and 5.1 DTS sound mixed in LucasFilm so that all Czech Star Wars fans could be satisfied :-)

adywan said:

Harmy said:

And I think DJ is using the Flunk version, which I think was said to be a straight port of the digi tapes used as a source of the TV broadcasts and that's why it is so much better than the others. And it would IMO also mean that the smearing is due to DVNR and not the way it was captured.

No, it would depend on what card they used to capture the tape to the PC. This kind of smearing was very common with cheaper early capture cards. i had one years ago and it did the exact same thing, but there was no way of stopping it.

Hi,

I hope this is the right thread to ask, I'm very interested in how the DVB-S rips of 97 SE (REIVAX, GKar, Flunk, TB) were taken?

I always thought that the authors of that rips connected DVB-S reciever to Digi BetaCam recorder somehow digitally and then transferred the data from Digi Beta tape to PC also digitally (via FireWire).

But according to what Adywan says the transfer from the Digi Beta tape to the PC was done via an analogue way. Does anyone know how exactly? Via RGB? And how was DVB-S reciever connected to the Digi BetaCam recorder? Also via RGB or via some digital way?

Thank you for your answers :-)