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#209587
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ITS HAPPENED-- OOT AVAILABLE FROM LUCASFILM
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Originally posted by: Number20
Turnip: I doubt you'll get too many flames. I don't think that Lucas should have modified his works, but he wanted to, so thats fine. I personally wouldn't care if he digitally made every character a gungan, and replaced Luke with Jar-Jar. As long as the originals are available too. I think that you'll find this is a common view here. No matter, we are all happy that the originals are coming to DVD as a result, and may finally limit some of the SE vs. O-OT debate.


Well said and agreed. All I ever wanted was for both versions to be out. People will be able to watch both and see which ones they prefer.
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#107352
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I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
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I figured it might not be legit and you guys are probably right about it being someone to stir up rumors. I was not trying to add any rumors but figured that what I saw might be of interetest. Hence my putting at the beginning of the message that I was not sure if it was legit. It would be great if this were true, but still it might be smoke and mirrors from a 13 year old kid messing around, for all I know.
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#104878
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I like the Special Editions ..... minus some scenes
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Here is an interesting post fform Amazon.com. I am not sure if this is legit, but still it could give us hope:



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39 of 47 people found the following review helpful:

A note from a Lucas employee, May 4, 2005
Reviewer: John - See all my reviews
I am tired of all the outcries over this boxset, so I'm going to give you all a bit of insight to what went on behind the curtain.

First of all, let me explain why Lucas released this set. Demand was very high, and DVDs were going to be phased out in the near future. He wanted to please the fans, and give them something to tide over with until the BD/HD-DVD set hits stores in 2007.

Long story short, we had a lot to do and a very short period of time to do it in. Most of our resources were busy with Episode III (both the release and the DVD for the film). We were strained to begin with. Add putting the entire star wars trilogy on DVD with only a little bit over a year to restore and master it, and you have a race against time.

We would have liked to re-color the lightsabers, re-color Jabba, spend more time on the audio/picture, and everything else we wanted to do, but WE HAD NO TIME TO DO IT.

In addition, we only had time to work on one version of the film. We had to choose: the originals, or the special editions. Lucas chose the SE. Lucas didn't want to shell out the millions, and divert time and resources to them when they would be released in 2007.

Yes everyone, the originals are coming to BD/HD-DVD. Seeing all this moaning and groaning makes us wonder if anything will please you guys. The film team is curious if this High-Def set will fill you with joy, or make you all whine further. Why? Because we are already having to make alterations to the film. The restoration is screwing with some key elements, so we are having to go back and manually insert some things. For example, the lightsabers. Yes, they will look like the ones from Episodes I-III, because the High-Def conversion/restoration downgraded the appearence. We had to fix it, and couldn't give it that "70's look" so we were forced to make the sabers look like the more modern ones seen in the prequels.

I'm sorry for all the pain this DVD set has caused some of you. Had we had more time, things would have been different. Now we have a substantial amount of time to work with. With this additional production time, we can now include everything (such as deleted scenes) in the BD/HD-DVD set that we could not include here. You will have your original films (HAN SHOOTS FIRST) and a new directors cut (with more changes) in High Def very soon. Please be patient with us. We hope you can enjoy this set while we work to blow you away with our finished product in 2007. Thank You.

EDIT: It seems some people are paying no attention to my words, but thats ok...

Continue to make an outcry over the set if you want. It will convince Lucas further that the originals will sell (he feels everyone will prefer the DX over the originals). So go ahead and bash us if you want, but try to be somewhat respectful about it? Thanks again.

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So, what does everyone think?
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#49875
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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Originally posted by: Samatar
Just another form of protest I guess. Again it's just the principal of the thing; should I support GL when he is being so stubborn etc. But it's not a decision I have made or anything, McCartneyFan just put the idea in my head and I was wondering out loud if it made sense or not.


Well, that was just me thinking out loud. Obviously everyone has to make up their own mind to what they want. I don't want to be blamed for leading some sort of counter culture or anything!
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#48910
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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I agree it is more principle of the thing. I still will not spend a dime on the DVD set. As for star wars part 3 to come out next year.... I don't know. Right now, no. However, since I have seen part 1 and 2 already; I might be curious to see how part 3 will wrap it all up and lead to the original trillogy. But then, maybe that would be as bad a buying the new DVD set?
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#47766
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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Originally posted by: special_edd
I have been reading these posts and have decided to cancel my Amazon pre-order. Buying these modified films would just show my tacit approval of what I consider to be little more than the defacement of a work of art.

Since Tolkien has been mentioned, I thought I would point out an historical parallel.

In 1947, 10 years after the original version of the Hobbit appeared, Tolkien made a number of revisions to the book in order to make the character of Gollum fit the much more desperate and obsessed figure he had created for Lord of The Rings. These changes were incorporated into all subsequent editions and have consequently become part of the standard text. I have never read the original so can’t comment on the success of the changes, but once the changed manuscript becomes the only one available there is no going back.

Already a generation is growing up who will have only seen the special editions and worst of all they might actually prefer them. If we accept these versions now then there may never be a DVD version of the original films on sale. I guess GL has the right to alter his work any way he likes, but I am not going to reward him for it.



Well said. I did not know that about LOTR trillogy, but then I must confess. I have never read the books(ducking behind corner after making that admission).
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#47038
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR
I would make this analogy. It is like taking the book, Return of the King, the third part of the Lord of the Rings. Now Tolkien plays more with the ending. Gandalf comes with Frodo, Sam, Pippin, and Merry when they liberate the Shire. All the hobbits revolt upon the sight of the band and Gandalf beats Saruman in a fight between wizards, and then things stay like the original narrative with Frodo leaving and ending with Sam and his children. Now if you have read Return of the King and the chapter Scourging of the Shire or whatever it is exactly called, you know things were actually different in big ways. Now I am not saying the ROTJ SE changes the ending like that, I actually like the new ending better. But imagine Tolkien then says, "The ending I have now created for Return of the King was what I originally envisioned, everything written before were rough drafts in the process." And remember, the original LOTR books were released before Tolkien's new take on the book. And Tolkien NEVER wants the original versions of the books released again. Now if I disagree with that, am I treading on Tolkien's artistic rights or am I fighting for literary and historical preservation? That is about as simply as I can present this argument.


Quite well said. Preserve the original works, so they can exist along with any variations. People are smart enough to make up their own minds of what they want.
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#47037
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
All solid points, Macca (can I call you Macca?).



Macca is cool by me. Incidentally (for those who don't know), it's his nickname from the Beatles days given by John, I think. I always thought it is cool that macca and I are left handed. Anyways, getting back on topic....


Thanks for the kind words. I just feel those are some solid points that many original fans made lucas what he is today. He should do well to remember that fact. Just do one 3 disc cleaned up version of the original trillogy. If on the other discs, he wanted to keep changing the story, that would be up to him.
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#45745
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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A few things that seem to pop up in my mind as I read the latest posts on this:

1.) Yes, the SE discs will make a ton of money. There is no doubt. Just look at the Amazon.com chart listings for best selling DVD's.

2.) Again, releasing both versions (in my mind) would make the most sense. Fans of the original could get them. Fans of the SE could get what they want. Fans could also buy both. This would give the truest perspective of what has changed. It would outline what Lucas had to work with in 1977,1980, and 1983; compared with what was done in 1997 (and perhaps what would be done with 2004 technology, assuming any more changes were made).

3.) Releasing the original versions would be a nice nod to all the old fans who grew up on Star Wars and made Lucas(and its cast) wealthy.

4.) From Lucas's stand point, it would make him even more money. Not that he needs it, but perhaps some of it could be donated to charity.

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#41887
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George Lucas no longer cares
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Trying not to kill the point here. However, issuing both would be fine. I'll use my Beatles analogy here. They issued Let It Be in 1970. They also issued Let It Be Naked in 2003. Both versions of it exist. People can choose. I don't see why Lucas can not see this simple fact. Even from an economic standpoint; if he released both versions onto a 6 DVD set, he could charge more and make more money from sales. I'm just surprised he hasn't gone at it from that angle. What next? A special edition of American Graffiti where they are in hover cars as opposed to the accurate late 1950's/early 1960's cars in the movie?



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#41560
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BOYCOTT (the 2004 OT SE DVD release)
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I am boycotting the dvd set. I will not buy it. Also, a co worker and I have discussed this, and he is doing the same thing. I know, I know, I can just see Lucas shaking right now because 2 people will not buy his SE dvd set.

Still, it is the principle of the thing. I'll use my Beatles analogy here. They issued Let It Be in 1970. They also issued Let It Be Naked in 2003. Both versions of it exist. People can choose. I don't see why Lucas can not see this simple fact. Even from an economic standpoint; if he released both versions onto a 6 DVD set, he could charge more and make more money from sales.
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#41559
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George Lucas no longer cares
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Originally posted by: jimbo
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Originally posted by: McCartneyFan
Ok, got off topic with the music stuff. Yes, George no longer cares. I just don't get it. Why, George, why? I realize that the packaging for the new thing looks great. However, what is packagning without the original version? Again, why not put out both versions on the DVD set. Does he no longer respect our decision as fans to make up our minds? The answer seems to be yes. I have to say it again, this is a travesty of justice in modern cinema. I'm glad Speilberg did not masacre the Indy trillogy with this type of stuff.


What are you talking about. Indiana Jones DVDs have changes with no option to watch original versions.




Far as I am aware, only minor editing to remove the glass mirror when Indy meets the cobra in Raiders. The films are 99% of what was presented in theaters. The 1% being taken out as the picture would obviously have to be cleaned up. It's not as though there was an extra scene with, say Indy talking with his father edited into Raiders. Where, on the SE versions I could clearly see what was done to some scenes. Eg. Solo and Greedo in the bar (totally sucked, IMHO); and Vader going to his shuttle in Empire (really doesn't seem to add anything to the movie); as well as Boba Fett emerging from the sarlac pit (keeps the mystery of how he survived that ordeal to appear in the comics in the mid 1980's.)

My personal argument is to offer both versions so we can have the choice. There is enough room, without erasing history.
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#41433
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George Lucas no longer cares
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Ok, got off topic with the music stuff. Yes, George no longer cares. I just don't get it. Why, George, why? I realize that the packaging for the new thing looks great. However, what is packagning without the original version? Again, why not put out both versions on the DVD set. Does he no longer respect our decision as fans to make up our minds? The answer seems to be yes. I have to say it again, this is a travesty of justice in modern cinema. I'm glad Speilberg did not masacre the Indy trillogy with this type of stuff.
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#40912
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George Lucas no longer cares
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Originally posted by: sweyland
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Musicals I own and love:
Guys and Dolls
Labyrinth (yes, it is one)
Moulin Rouge
Singin' in the Rain
Seven Brides for Seven Brothers

Right on with the Labyrith! I love this movie and I never even thought of it as a musical. Bowie is terrific, but I gotta admit it's Jennifer Connelly that's kept this near the top of my all-time favs list. I just wish they wouldn't rehash the DVD so much.

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Originally posted by: DocCovington
I actually prefer the opera, but I also like operettas a lot (you know, the predecessors of musicals, something between opera and musical ... but it has more class than most musicals do .... I hate Andrew Lloyd Webber's stuff, except for his awesome Requiem ... err, back to operettas) :

The Bat
Madamme Butterfly
Countess Mariza
Land of Smiles
The Merry Widow
Orpheus in the Underworld
etc.


(I don't know the English titles of most other operettas, sorry...)

Oh, and as for musicals:
The Bitter Suite (that's the Xena musical, and it rocked !!!)
Doc

That's an impressive list Doc. I'm more of a Marriage of Figaro man, but the one that caught my eye was The Bitter Suite. That was an amazing musical! Best. Television. Musical. Ever.

The music fit the story, the characters, the drama and it was wonderful looking to boot (the CD soundtrack was the only gift of mine that my ex ever loved, and kept). You a fan of the series?



Labyrinth is a good flick. I haven't seen it in quite awhile, but I remember liking it. Funny, but I am actually seeing Bowie tomorrow here in Boston. Looking forward to it as it is my first time seeing him. Only other major acts I've seen are McCartney in 1990 (1st rock concert, it changed my life) and Stones in 1997 (great show). Ok, actually Steve Miller in 1999; but I wouldn't put him in quite the same superstar category as the other 3. Still, a good show.

Seems I have seen a few versions of Labyrinth on DVD over time. Isn't there a bare bones version, special version, etc......

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#38886
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George Lucas no longer cares
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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
Actually, I'd up the ante and say that the PT is to the OT what Blur is to the Beatles; you can see the influences, and it's not as good, but it cannot be entirely discounted.


Ok, I can see your point on that. Perhaps so............I would really need to see them all back to back at some point in the future to see if my perspective changes.
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#38830
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George Lucas no longer cares
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Originally posted by: Bossk
McCFan, how would Citizen Kane rate relative to your top 10? Is it in there?


Yes, it is definitely in my top ten. It's amazing as I was not around, or were my parents (I'm 28) when the film was made. Also in my top ten are Hard Day's Night (surprise, surprise; I'm sure ), Empire Strikes Back, Give My Regards To Broad Street (personal macca favorite of mine, didn't do well commercially), Imagine: John Lennon, Raiders, Temple of Doom (1st Indy movie I saw in theaters), Star Wars, Star Trek II and VI probably round out the list of top ten. Other favorites (no particular order) would include The Doors, Wall Street, The Fugitive, and Man on the Moon. At least those are the ones I can think of right now.

However, yes, Citizen Kane is in my top ten because the theme of a man's life, growth, personal demons, corruption, and longing for innoncence are universal themes. These do not change no matter what decade we live in, what our background is, or who we are.
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#38246
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George Lucas no longer cares
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I recently saw Citizen Kane. I understand why it is one of the greatest films of all time. Empire Strikes Back is definitely in the top ten for me. Definitely the best star wars film. I think when people look back, they will view the originals (if Lucas ever decided to release the original versions onto DVD) as the classics they are. The prequels will be to the originals as Oasis is to the Beatles. The Beatles being the best and originals, and Oasis merely being a pale imitation. Though I did find Episode I and II enjoyable, they can not begin to compare to the original series. If Lucas is smart, he would put out all versions and let people decide for themselves. We can only hope.
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#37987
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Any Beatles Fans Here?
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Wow, great to get a reponse. I am a Beatles nut first, but also a fan of Star Wars. Just a shame about not getting the original trillogy on DVD. Why, George Lucas, why? As was stated in a South Park episode "Dude, if the Beatles kept releasing the White Album, what would we have?" Oh well. Thanks for the warm reception.