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#296037
Topic
Starwars.com survey
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/296037/action/topic#296037
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This is what I posted as to why I no longer pay for hyperspace.

I don't think we should have to pay for this stuff. We are all faithful fans. Some have been for 30 years. How about not charging us for it. We buy your multiple repackes of the movies, and your books, and everything else. It wouldn't hurt to let us have this stuff for free. Stop capatilizing on our fandom, and reward us. Plus, the OOT has yet to be cleaned up properly.
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#295405
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Star Wars: REBORN - The Complete Saga (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295405/action/topic#295405
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InfoDroid, I was reading some of your comments on the FanEddit.org boards and you said:

@ss4johnny: I've seen Attack of the Phantom, and in my opinion, it's the best fan-edited handling of the love story yet...however I don't think it goes far enough.

I think it's absolutely right in implying that Anakin & Padme started a physical relationship at that point. It just seems right for the characters when you see how they behave later in the story. The whole on-again/off-again thing was totally implausible. I mean, these two need to be Tristan & Isolde, Romeo & Juliet, Adam & Eve in space...insanely in love with each other from the start. The drama lies in the fact that it's forbidden love...they're sinning...eating of the fruit...whatever you want to call it. And in the end they pay the ultimate price for trying to keep it a secret.

They are kept apart because of their situation...because of circumstances...because of Jedi dogma and the politics of the galaxy. Not because Padme is creeped out by him and "uncomfortable"...blah blah blah...

You throw the hesitation in there and it just doesn't work at all. And it's unfortunate it was handled this way by Lucas because the love story is the key to Anakin's ultimate fall. It's his intense, passionate love for Padme that drives him to turn to the Dark Side.

That's why in Reborn, we're taking it a step further and using elements from other films (like Hayden's love scene with Sienna Miller in Factory Girl and others), we've actually created a love scene that didn't exist...the kiss on the balcony is no longer interrupted by Padme's hesitation...instead, it deepens and leads to a scene that does a lot more than imply that they may have slept together. Don't worry, nothing too explicit... Might be a little PG-13 (but less explicit than Titanic).

What if you cut out the part in the elvator where Anikan says "I haven't seen her in 10 years", and then make their awkardness around each other in the next apartment scene come across like they have been seeing each other for a while and now that they are together in front of a jedi and it is Obi-Wan it is kind of uncomfortable for them. This is something that really happens. Two people hook up and don't tell their parents then when the two people are together around the parents it is extremely awkard.

This would also make the audience then realize that their might already be something between these two, and they don't want the jedi to know. This could imply that they are already together, and possibly physical.

Then later that night when Anikan is talking to Obi-Wan about Padme, and Obi-Wan says "You took an oath, an oath not easily broken" in the apartment the audience would then think "Oh, that is why it was so awkard for them."

Then later with the new love scene you created it would let the audience know that yes they are physical, and it would seem more natural because you know they have been together for a while before the start of the film.

Hope what I am trying to explain makes sense.
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#295366
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295366/action/topic#295366
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Originally posted by: Knightmessenger
I think the color on Phantom Menace looks really good. I actually wasn't that impressed with the color and cinematography on the original films. The lighting looks rather flat, made worse on the 2004 dvd, and the most of the sets look rather drab and dull. Cloud city interior looks like a hospital wing, Jabba's place looks more like a dark cave than a palace. The wall on the Hoth base where 3PO pulls down the wampa sign in a deleted scene looks like molded plastic rather than a cave that was carved through ice. Even Endor doesn't seem that colorful for a forest. I know it's supposed to be a used future look but still so much seems to take place on confining corridors with either white, gray or black walls. I'm not very fond of 70's style and architecture so that might be part of it too.
When I first watched Phantom Menace in '05, I was completely blown away by the varied landscapes and vistas, detailed set design and colors that were very vibrant while still looking natural. The visual effects looked great and I think they still hold up fairly well even today. They just don't have that much resolution but I think after a certain point, trying to add more detail to CG just makes it more obvious because that just brings out the fake texture and unnatural sharpness. Ironically, I think the biggest aspect of where the prequels actually improved on the original films was not visual effects but rather set decoration and design, costumes (especially prosthetics masks) and the minature sets. It's a shame so much of II and III used blue screen.

Anyways...
I decided to try color correcting some screenshots from episode II.
I thought this shot looked pretty good to start. How was the landscape generated (if it was real world, where was it shot?) and how was the house made?
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/4319/084resizewt8.jpg[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/1869/0844resizeod2.jpg[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

I don't think this correction is perfect (part of R2 becomes overexposed) but I think it gives you a good idea.
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/3935/00134resizeuy7.jpg[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6263/001342resizene0.jpg[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

This is probably one of the better examples of the oversaturation that TM was referring to. But if you were to jack up the saturation on the image all the way, you would reveal the problem with the shot. Padme's face will look pretty much the same color as the sand she's lying in. So basically the face of someone and desert sand under broad sunlight is not able to be differentiated by the camera in regard to color. The image is also too far red shifted and fixing that makes Padme's shirt more white. I think I adjusted the contrast/midtones with the shot but not very much. I also desaturated it which was more effective with the other fixes.
http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3369/aotcpadme156resizemr8.jpg[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/5396/aotcpadme1563resizeom4.jpg[URL=http://imageshack.us][/URL]


The Padme picture never had anything wrong with it. Why do humans automaticly associate everything to something on earth? Guess what, not everything is the same as earth. Not every planet in the galaxy is going to have the same color sun. What if the sun in the Geonosis system is a redder light? It would make everything redder. Plus, the sand on Geonosis is suppossed to be redder than sand like is on our beaches. Also, the sky of geonosis is red. This also creates the red tone. The picture of padme is right, because that is how Geonosis looks. It is very red, and is suppossed to be.
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#295184
Topic
Star Wars: REBORN - The Complete Saga (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/295184/action/topic#295184
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When I watch that trailer it makes me realize how badly Lucas messed up. The PT should have been darker in tone than the OT. It should have had more fighting. The Rpublic should have been in a high state of decay. The senate should have been fighting itself, and full of corruption and betrayels. The Jedi should have been in decay, and losing its original ideas of what was good. This being the reason why the Emperor was easy to whipe the Order out. I wish the PT would have been more like how the roman empire was. Full of death betrayel, and corruption. The way you did the 20th Century Fox Logo and the music really gives me an epic feel, and makes me wish the PT had been filmed as an epic. The music in the PT is something I have a problem with also. JW did a good job, but I wanted something different from the OT fanasty style. I wanted epic war music, and music that has an ancient sound to it. Like the music you used in your trailer. Glad to hear you are chnging some music.
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#294743
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294743/action/topic#294743
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Originally posted by: Saintheart
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Johny, do you do all those steps to each frame? That would take forever.


Heh. Welcome to the wonderful world of rotoscoping. I've never seen it reverse-engineered like that, but that looks good.

If it's of any assistance, there's two tutorials on how to do this at

this address.

The author of these two tutorials, Ryan Wieber, went on to work for Lucasfilm and rotoscoped some, if not many, of the lightsabers for the Episode III video game. There's truth to this; I've stooged around on theforce.net for a number of years, and Wieber can be seen in one of the pre-production videos for the game when he and the rest of the team got the chance to watch Nick Gillard and Hayden Christensen in action so they had a better idea of how their different characters "move". Most of the saber rotoscoping you'll see in later fan films use his method, so it seems to work...

(And no, I am not Ryan Wieber, nor any individual connected with him.)


I stopped using photoshop, because it requires you to do it frame by frame. Johny's method is very neat, and I will probably attempt it sometime. Now I mostly use After Effects, and the Wieber method.
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#294436
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294436/action/topic#294436
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Originally posted by: adywan
I have to admit the ties formation i am not happy with myself. i initially tried to make the formation not so perfect but with the source it became impossible. i'm going to scrap that shot and i have an idea that if i can pull it off will be 100 x better for the attack of the ties.


Sounds great, Adywan.
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#294404
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294404/action/topic#294404
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I understand that trained pilots would fly in formation in a show. However this is combat, and they would break off from each other upon entering the fight. Staying together would create a bigger target to aim at. They would not stick together like that. Also, the effect isn't that convincing. No offense Adywan, because all your sfx look great, but this looks like you copy and pasted a tie fighter to make it like there is more than there originally was. It sticks out.
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#294379
Topic
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - my fan screenplay
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294379/action/topic#294379
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Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Plus, I can not stand the score for GOF.


We're obviously of two different minds because I think that's my favorite score. It's certainly the only Harry Potter soundtrack CD I've ever gotten. What do you not like about it?


I really don't know. I wish I did so I could get over it, but something about it just irks me. I think it might be, because it was more of an action score than an epic, sweeping score. I like music that can make you cry. Something that really tears at your emotions and I didn't feel that with GOF. This is the type of music I like: Message For The Queen
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#294353
Topic
Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - my fan screenplay
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294353/action/topic#294353
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I like Columbus's adaptions of SS/PS and COS the best. OOTP was beautifully done, and the score was very good. I liked the use of montages, also. Helped show what was going on without spending to much time doing it. POA was ok. It just had some serious plotholes, and unresolved issues. GOF was a little bit better than POA, but I felt the cinematography was kind of bland after POA. Plus, I can not stand the score for GOF.
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#294348
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294348/action/topic#294348
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Originally posted by: Johnny Ringo
There are many different ways to add these sorts of effects. The simplest way I've found is to use gaussian blurs. Rotoscoping itself is basically and exercise in patience. I might be able to help you. I've had some good results...inconsistent, but good.

Please keep in mind this was a rush job. was just looking for a 'roto' example i'd done.
http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/2227/doic7.jpg

I'm still catching up with the various ep3 edits and whatnot.


Could you post a tutorial on how you did this?
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#294036
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/294036/action/topic#294036
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Originally posted by: Dantha Fodder
Originally posted by: Marvolo
Originally posted by: Master Qui-Gon
Originally posted by: Saintheart
is there the use of the word "gentlemen" somewhere? I would've thought Christopher Lee must've said that somewhere in LOTR, the PT, or other movies he's made.


Doesn't he say this when talking with the seperatists while they they are sitting by the table in Episode II????


He says "friends" at the conference in Episode II, and it would be great to have him say "surrender, friends".


No he doesn't. He says gentlemen. "I am quite convinced that ten thousand more systems will rally to our cause with your support gentlemen".


He also says, "And when our friends of the trade federation have pledged their support, we will have an army greater than any. Th Jedi will be overwhelmed."
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#293747
Topic
STAR WARS: EP IV 2004 <strong>REVISITED</strong> ADYWAN *<em>1080p HD VERSION NOW IN PRODUCTION</em>
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293747/action/topic#293747
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Originally posted by: Kurgan

I find the cheesy acting, cheap sets and throwaway characters just enhance the universe of Star Wars and fit right into the spirit of the original film.



That is the spirit of the Prequel trilogy not the original Trilogy. Cheesy acting was everywhere, the sets were computer generated and looked cheaper than the OT's sets, and to name a few throwawy charcters: Jar Jar, Panaka, Ric Olley, Mas Amedda ( stupid character design and completely usless), Dexter Jetster ( Could have gotten the information in 5 seconds from a dang computer. Even Dexter himself questions why the archive droids didn't have the information.), and Captain Typho. Those characters were not needed. Yes, the OT has characters like this, but the OT has enough good to negate the uselessness of it's throwaway characters.
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#293746
Topic
Episode 3 - Editing Back in Progress (* unfinished project *)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293746/action/topic#293746
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Originally posted by: Master Qui-Gon
Originally posted by: Saintheart
is there the use of the word "gentlemen" somewhere? I would've thought Christopher Lee must've said that somewhere in LOTR, the PT, or other movies he's made.


Doesn't he say this when talking with the seperatists while they they are sitting by the table in Episode II????


He says "friends" at the conference in Episode II, and it would be great to have him say "surrender, friends".

It would be somewhat true for him to say that, because Dooku was part of the Jedi order, and even though he is no longer with them he still views them as colleagues. He just thinks they are on the wrong side and have lost there way. He isn't an outright Jedi killing Sith, and he wants to correct the problems of the Jedi so he kills the ones he has to, the ones who would not reason with logic. He never once killed a Jedi out of anger or rage. If he didn't have to and could save one he did. The ones he did kill he killed, because he cared for the Jedi order and couldn't get them to see the problems of the order and how to fix them.This is why Dooku is so tragic. He still respects the Jedi Order and the Jedi, and wants to see it done right by so for him to call them "friends" is kind of touching.
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#293744
Topic
Episode II: Shroud of the Dark Side (the TM edit) (Released)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293744/action/topic#293744
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Originally posted by: Trooperman
Originally posted by: Saintheart
Apologies for the bombast ... next time I'll read through the whole thread before posting (or post earlier )

As for the New Voice: I was only able to listen to the YouTube versions, so I'm missing the rework that's been done, but they sound good to me. With greatest, greatest respect I'd enunciate a little more clearly and pull back the volume just a tad, but otherwise I *like* the sound of these things. I look forward to the more completed version!

Ha-ha... shame on you for not reading through all 88 pages before posting

Thanks. Yeah, I know. I'm almost embarrassed of the nightclub video on Youtube now, because not only was the mike way too close, but I was mumbling and did a bad job with that scene. That's fixed now.

Also keep in mind that the original line was not "At your service". Also, it looks a little weird when Anakin says "I think he is a she" because in that shot, Hayden didn't actually say that. It was the shot with the line about the changleling, which I had to use from an editing standpoint.

I really do think that in the context of the film, it will not be jarring after the first few lines. And probably not even then when you re-watch the film and stop watching AOTC. Heh.. I've worked so long on this film that now HAYDEN is jarring. Although he was jarring to begin with (to me).

I think that like watching a black and white or letterboxed movie, the fact that Anakin has a different voice will distract you for about five minutes and then you'll get into the film and it won't matter. I think the new recordings are good as-is, but after Adywan is done with them (if he is able to do that) I really think you all will enjoy it.

Originally posted by: Dantha Fodder
Originally posted by: Marvolo
This does sound somewhat better than the first time, but I still prefer Hayden's audio. This just sticks out, because the voice is too deep. It doesn't sound natural. It sounds like you are intentionaly deepening your voice. If you are doing it to make him sound tougher then it isn't a good thing. People with voices that naturally deep are usually thicker built and stockier. Hayden is not built this way, and this new voice stands out. I don't take a person more serious just, because their voice is extremely deep.


I completely agree.

I personally don't dig the new voice. It is too deep, generally lacking in emotion and it still sounds dubbed, like a bad Japanese to American translated samari flick (something unavoidable, no matter no what ADR effect you tack on it).

I guess if this makes EpII more watchable for you Trooperman, then that's what counts, I just don't think a lot of people will take it seriously. Sorry.


See, I really don't believe it's unavoidable. There is a history of dubbed voices throughout Star Wars. Darth Vader, Aunt Beru, all of the creatures... I really think it's possible. I also don't believe that to have a deep voice you must be stocky in build. I'm pretty middle-of-the-road myself.

I think you all need some context on Anakin's personality. I really need to get this thing done....


Trooperman, personality and toughness has nothing to do with how deep your voice is. This is a cliché in old films. I don't take Anikan any more serious, because of his new deep voice. I also in no way think of Anikan being more dark and evil because his voice is deeper. I actually take him less serious, because with his build, and the way he carries himself it is unnatural for him to have a voice like that. If I met Hayden out on the streets, and he talked like that I would probably laugh ( not at your voice, but at how the voice would seem soo out of place with the way he looks and acts.) Now I think of Anikan as being some wimp who deepens his voice to appear macho. I know you are not deepening your voice, but when you put it with Hayden it seems like it has been artificially deepened.
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#293687
Topic
My Episode III Re-Edit (v 2007) (Completed)
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/293687/action/topic#293687
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Originally posted by: GoodMusician
I might remove it.... I kinda like it... I know I laughed in the threatre...

It's not a flame thrower btw... it's his rocket boosters. He coated them in oil, and then turned them on to float away, they had the deleterious effect of igniting the oil and setting the two on fire ... which was the intent... heh

I dunno...I always liked it heh... but you are right about slowing down the action...I left it on the beginning of these clips because when I zoom out on my editing program to select a region, I couldn't quite tell if I was getting it all, so I was adding a few seconds before and after the fight lol...


I like the part where he torches the droids, also. It got big laugh from me, and the audience I was with in the theatre. I say keep it, because it makes Artoo look cool. He can take care of himself if he has to.