I believe he technically broke any rules here with his only two posts. Even if one could assume that insulting the forum in a live youtube video could be seen as breaking a few ones…
Hal 9000 said:
Here’s the shot in context, if you’d like to take a look. We’re lucky to have Ridley around. 😃
This is excellent ! It perfectly does the trick. Nice job Sir Ridley 😉
but the worse scene for me in ANY Star Wars film HAS to be the balcony scene in ROTS.
Nah this scene is cute.
That way her and Anakin are captured separately.
It’s kinda what already happens in the theatricul cut.
Hal 9000 said:
There is a shot of Anakin in pain from lightning that should be moved away from right before Padmé in the sand to just before leaping to save Obi-Wan
Hell yeah! This montage error has always bugged me. I’m glad you’re considering to take care of it.
The changelist sounds very promising.
Just to keep track of the current v6 project vs v5:
- original changeling voice put back
- trimmed dinner scene added
- trimmed droid factory scene added with Sir “Wizard” Ridley sfx saber work
I’m 100% for keeping both the droid factory scene and the deleted scene. Trimmed, it becomes just a dumb action scene (although quite fun in spite of this overuse of CGI) that fixes a huge narrative issue, so it’s the best solution.
I’m in favor of keeping the deleted scene, in order to keep Padmé as a political figure. It’s also interesting to see the two faces of Dooku: the former Jedi (Obi-Wan scene) and the separatist leader (Padmé scene).
One of the reasons I haven’t showed anyone my AOTC edit is because I’m not done yet, which is almost entirely because I’m trying to rescore the droid factory scene to make it musically coherent. Needless to say, it’s a pain in the ass.
I’m hyped 😃
So you don’t think that Yoda’s theme in a scene where Anakin is slashing space bugs is coherent ? 😄
Hal 9000 said:
It looks like L8wrtr sequenced the droid factory scene about as well as one can, so my ‘pitch version’ will be pretty similar. Though, I hope I can get the music to feel smooth. Granted, the music is a hack job to begin with.
Would someone be able to do a little sfx work to show Anakin lightsaber blade retracting/deactivating (when he’s surrounded by droids and Jango) since you’re probably not going to keep the destruction of his saber ? I have no idea how hard it would be to do so. Just throwing idea 😄
It’s funny to see that people aren’t as harsh nowadays with the PT as they used to be. Even myself.
A few years ago, when the bluray set was released, I tried to rewatch them. At the sole exception of ROTS that I still like as it is, I wasn’t able to go through TPM and AOTC. But I found out that Hal9000’s fanedits “salvaged” the best out of them, removing all of the bad, enhancing the good. And at each iteration, Hal has been putting back things he had previously cut: a simple sentence here, a shot there, etc., and in the end, after watching version 6 of his edit, it seems COD has now become a very conservative take on TPM: only 20/25 minutes removed, mostly the worse Jar Jar jokes, the gungan subwater village (and the entire journey through the planet core), all Anakin’s “yeppeee !” and other little things of the same nature (I’m still glad that COD Anakin destroys the Trade federation ship on purpose, and not just by luck like TPM Anakin : you can’t always explain everything by “it’s the will of the Force”, George 😕).
Well, I like COD v6 a lot. I know exactly what was put back and I’m ok with it. I’m even beginning to think it would be possible to watch the theatrical version without as much difficulties as before. Even the Jar Jar tongue joke works now, it somehow makes sense (talking about Jedi reflexes, and actually showing this kind of reflexes in the context of a dinner scene with alien species : I mean, yeah, it works !, I totally get what Lucas was trying to do, even if it’s not as good as what we were expecting).
So, again, excellent work Hal and thanks for keeping a high quality standard for your releases.
For those wondering, I’m not sure i’ll make an alternate track for COD: all the changes I made have either been taken into account by Hal (even improved: Jar Jar voice over delayed by 1 second indeed works better !) or are no longer related to the edit (no more added music during the race). Only change I would make is removing Shmi’s “I raised him” line. Not sure it’s worth the effort !
I have nevertheless kept the podrace montage from v5 in a separate file 'cause I love the effort put to use McNeely’s excellent score (I kinda miss the low res extra shots you used to achieve the music sync by the way 😃), and I’ve also kept the “dawn before the race” scene (it’s a cute little scene).
Unless there is a v6.1/v7 (Hal, never say never again 😄); it’s my go version. I would be interested only by an extended cut of the same v6 that would add a trimmed Gungan village version (with no journey through the planet core though), à la L8 edit. And maybe along with the “dawn before the race” scene.
I’m looking forward to TAS v6 now !
(also for LOE v6 of course, but for ROTS I’m really hopping Octorox does make his conservative edit one day 😉).
I do agree the factory action scene is one of the lowest points of the Saga, but at least with its droid non sense removed I think it works well to transition from getting off the ship to Dooku’s meeting. I would however keep the saber destruction, just to clarify Anakin has no choice but to surrender.
Hal, since you’re going to put back some Drax/Dinner scene, wouldn’t it be a good opportunity to insert the droid toxic dart analysis deleted scene ? I remember it was sfx finished. Well, not sure about that.
Yep. And how about also replacing Padmé with Palpatine during the secret wedding scene ?
Hey, so I tried upscaling ESB:R to 4K. I denoised, upscaled, and regrained the footage all in After Effects.
Honestly, I still have to mess around with the denoising and regraining, both of which might be overdone.
So essentially it’s very much a work in progress, but I’m using the same techniques here as I have for my PT regrades.
I’m not sure what you’re doing: you’re upscaling in 4k the 720p mkv Ady released in summer 2017 (gosh, time flies…) ? How would it be possible to get higher resolution out of a 720p native resolution ?
I still hope a higher bitrate mkv is gonna be released soon.
It’s good and I don’t believe it requires to mess with the wrench: we clearly hear it fall on the ground (and besides we are no pod experts…).
I would however suggest you to remove Anakin’s “Yes sir !”, which sounds a little bit ridiculous (it’s only located in the central channel iirc).
I like the idea a lot… and its implementation sounds good to me !
Dawn before the race" is nice though. My only issue with it is the unfinished sfx work.
I’m not sure I see the benefits of this alteration in your edit. If you were keeping Padmé dying, it would be a good idea indeed in order to remove the “lost the will to live” dialogues, but since Padmé lives in your edit, I don’t think this sound addition is necessary.
Hal 9000 said:
Hmmmmmmmm… I cannot promise anything, but it miiiiight be worth reissuing TAS, even if I don’t change anything, just to include Mala’s audio tracks in the main release. I’ll have to think about this; it’s never a trivial amount of work.
I remember when I created the alternate track for TAS that I corrected two sections: the Obi-Wan leaving Coruscant deleted scene was only 2.0 so I recreated your cuts to update the scene in 5.1 (using the original deleted scene from your myspleen package); and during the meeting of Anakin with Padmé, the C6 rear channel was missing (from around 0:09:21 for like almost 3 minutes - I believe I duplicated the C5 channel to fill the gap).
I believe you also mentionned you liked the idea of removing all dialogues when Anakin goes to search his mother. If you still wish to add it to your track, fine with me 😉
There was also a video issue during the credits, the image has a weird bug (at exactly 1:48:00).
(yeah I always watch the entire end credits of a SW movie 😄)
So if you’re thinking about re-releasing TAS, here are still a few small things you would correct.
(and before others put it on the table: your edit is perfect, at the only exception of the narrative issue of entirely removing the factory scene; but I know you loathe that scene so much it’s out of the question 😃 )
NFBisms added in a couple Dee Bradley Baker "General Skywalker"s in his edit and it worked fine for me, and I’m usually real picky about that shit. Mala also made an alternate audio track for Hal’s edit and included these bits from NFBisms as well.
In fact I took the idea from NFBisms but I did recreate the excepts I used. I don’t remember where NFB placed them, but I made two radio like voiceovers (to somehow try to hide it’s not Temuera’s voice) during the first 20 minutes of Hal’s edit.
As anyone ever tried to add more Tarkin in RotS ? He only makes a caméo appearance at the end of the movie, but in TCW he happens to be more present as some kind of military advisor of Palpatine. I wonder if anyone has ever tried to add him (as his “R1” version ?) in the background of more scenes (like in the Opera or when Palpy is welcome by Windu). Might not be the purpose of your edit, I was just thinking about it after seeing Dre’s ANH regrade thread.
It’s nice to actually see Cushing’s deep blue eyes on your regrade.
I’m not sure about the Chewie removal though. The weird scene “good bye Chewbacca” removed seems enough to me to deal with the “fan service” issue of his presence. Besides, it was the last time Peter got the part entirely. Do you believe the shot of the Clones “The wookies are dead now” could be retained ? It shows how the new Empire is dealing with certain allies, which is cannon not only with ANH (“this… thing”) but with Rebels and Solo as well.
About the Yoda/Qui Gon scene, you could begin the dialogues during the wide exterior shot. You could then gain a few seconds; don’t know if it’s enough to get the entire lines.
Hal 9000 said:
By the way, it could be a good opportunity to fix something I haven’t told you about which I found out when making my alternate tracks: the march on the Jedi temple has a video misalignement where you can see a thin white line on top of the image. It’s very small, but I noticed this at some point when watching the sequence over and over again.
I don’t see anything in this sequence after taking a look. Could you post a screencap of the issue? Is it with one specific encode?
Here is the issue : https://imgur.com/a/XsgSxWF
On the top area there is a white line running along the top black bar (see the red circle). It’s not obvious on the cap, but if you play the scene you might see it.
Great change list for v6 ! And of course you can use anything you wish from the alternate track 😉 This specific change requires the replacement of all 5 channels.