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#1101666
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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pittrek said:

generalfrevious said:

What good has Kathleen Kennedy done for this franchise?

Nothing. YET. But you don’t know how much “creative freedom” does she have. Don’t forget she’s working for the Mouse.

All she did was exploit fans’ nostalgia for the OT,

Just like the prequel trilogy, which was 100% George’s work.

while at the same time doubling down on not releasing them.

Does SHE have the right to release them? What if she wants to release them but the problem is either on Fox’s or Disney’s side?

Common sense should have left SW alone.

Not really. Star Wars is unfortunately (?) extremely marketable, and let’s face it, Star Wars is the reason why Disney bought Lucasfilm. They will release Star Wars stuff until they start to lose money.

Bit where are we now?

I don’t know about you, but I’m lying on my couch.

Kennedy has given us a loose remake and a fanservice-heavy spinoff.

I agree with that. While I kind of liked TFA, the only parts I liked were ripped off, I mean inspired by the original movie(s). And Rogue One was just a boring fan film with no interesting or memorable characters and one cool scene (Darth Vader).

It’s apparent she’s stifling any creativity by firing directors and keeping on hacks only because they make money.

Well she’s a producer. That’s what Hollywood producers do. They don’t usually care about artistic value, they usually do their decisions based on the highest profits.

Of the next four films coming up, only TLJ would come close to not being some reference-heavy glorified fan film (I’m not buying into the hype).

Well, TLJ is the first Star Wars movie I don’t care about, like at all. I’ve seen the first trailer and my reaction was similar to my reaction of most of current trailers, a giant “meh”, I don’t even know if some other trailers were released or what the other four movies you mentioned will be.

At least with Lucas you got fascinating failures instead of marvel-lite like today’s Star Wars movies.

Actually this is pretty interesting. I have seen TFA twice, once on the big screen and once on the BD, and I don’t plan to watch it any time soon. I’ve seen Rogue One once, I have it on BD but I never even opened it and I don’t feel the need to wtch it. However the prequels - I don’t like them but I’ve seen them many times, I watch the first 6 movies at least once a year since they started to come out on DVD in 2001(?). I didn’t realize that until now, thanks for the term “fascinating failures”, it makes sense.

By the time the Obi-wan movie comes out this franchise will have TEN mediocre installments in it!

What? There’s an Obi-wan movie planned? Why?

Because the worst disney star wars film will always be better than anything George Lucas created after 1977…that includes the franchise destroying darth father plot twist…talk about a compelling character destroyed by one plot twist

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#1101639
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Should Disney/LFL create an Alternative Prequel Trilogy?
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suspiciouscoffee said:

Lord Tobias said:

the old republic era is the nuclear launch codes of merchandising

Please explain, because I can’t imagine this being true in any context.

the old republic MMO has a awful visual design that makes every sane star wars fan puke…but KOTOR and tales of the jedi is different. Where the movies provide a 70’s look and aesthetic, a KOTOR/tales of the Jedi inspired film will take the franchise away from modernism and into a unique elegant design that has all the hallmarks of star wars mixed with a ancient look LOTR look that is unique among all the star wars films released thus far. You have exotic locations, unique but familiar costume designs, characters with stories that lay the groundwork for stories that rival the films. Also the immense popularity of BB-8 and K2-SO prove that new interesting designs pay off handsomely.

mathematical proof for old republic merchandise value

rogue one is 90 percent derivative designs…sold billions in merchandise.

TFA was a small scale star wars film with designs similar to the OT…billions in merchandise.

with KOTOR you have a endless selection of toys that marketers will have a field day with

silver soldiers who look like stormtroopers…kids like silver, look at phasma.

HK-47 is a walking meme generator and the funniest character in the film.

revan will be a toy and critical success…especially if they make her into a well written character with character depth and complex motivations.

the unique visual style of any old republic film will be immense toy wise because KOTOR and tales of the jedi is more visually unique than anything in rogue one or TFA…without a single cute element shoe-horned into the film

criticallly it will also be massive especially if you follow a loose but not one on one blueprint to this

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwihpKCQufHVAhVE2WMKHTIZBsQQFggmMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fmoviepilot.com%2Fposts%2F2785669&usg=AFQjCNG_ursZ9VnU39A0p0UW2Vbx6Yhlng

as well as create a trilogy based loosely on tales of the jedi

you have a saga of material

there is a much stronger commercial case for KOTOR than for another han solo film

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#1101629
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Kennedy worse than Lucas.
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the PT soundtracks are bland, uninspired, and most importantly 1000 PERCENT john williams.

overuse of lazy opera that had no place in star wars(most of the instruments in the star wars soundtrack are always horns and anything but human voices).

as for the the PT films themselves, there was nothing remotely artistic or deep about any of them. None of the PT films are remembered or left any impact on popular culture, none of them have any real themes that transcend the hollow bush era gimmicks of “deep but not deep” blockbusters of the past ten years. Decisions in the PT are in many ways a lot worse than the most corporate decisions of the new star wars era so far. lets make a comprehensive list of some of the worst unsalvageable decisions of the PT.

darth vader, the most compelling mysterious character of the OT is turned into a franchise black hole in which the literal world-building is built around, making star wars smaller than a backyard in a way that disney is literally trying so hard to fix by putting skywalkers in the background or as villains instead of main characters.

darth vader building C3PO was worse than any of the character problems in rogue one…largely because the rogue one cast is killed off and effectively erased…while the darth vader building C3PO WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF BOTH CHARACTERS HISTORY!!! FOREVAH

palpatine, the second best villian of the OT turns from a interesting parallel of Caesarien dictatorship to the lord of plot-conveniences and using the force to cover up plot holes.

the chosen one prophecy is the final nail in the coffin…you forever give up any illusion of artistic integrity the second you include it in your narrative. wheel of time BARELY worked cause of luck, LOTR worked because it basically made the chosen one into a supporting character(aragorn), matrix worked because of eastern philosophy and free will governing the worldbuilding.

the romance between anakin and padme is artistically and psychologically empty and without any narrative or thematic merit…it feels like a corporate checklist for lucas than a real plot point. much like padmes character, the romance feels like a obligation that needs to happen because of the twins.

yoda and jedi teachings got turned from the deepness of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkbgvRMpW0

to the fortune cookie level writing of this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91_G8iaokk8

but okay…let us alll value new colors and new ships even if the colors and ships look like fucking cartoons…LIKE THAT IS WHAT MAKES A GREAT STAR WARS MOVIE

they are not fascinating failures, they are artistic failures whose failings will infect star wars for years to come and no amount of originality(not quality) is gonna put them above any of the episodes of the cartoon forces of destiny.

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#1097616
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When Did The Star Wars Prequels Become Cool?
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the world-building itself is not very good either…most of it hurting the franchise(midichlorians), elevating a chosen bloodline(the skywalkers), or being a pale imitation of politics without the nuance or depth of such films such as game of thrones or planet of the apes(bush era parallels in the PT).

it is very telling that gareth edwards and dave filoni took those same concepts and made them work in the clone wars and rogue one by heavily changing them into something unrecognizable(the force is now in everyone, returning to the philosophy of the OT as well as anakin probably not being the singular chosen one).

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#1091849
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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TV’s Frink said:

Lord Tobias said:

Although the whills theory aspect should be a little fixed (maybe snoke was cast out and killed his buddies during the events of the Phantom menace…maybe he never created the sith but merely fed off their power to become better than the other Whills to kill them)

Either way force ghost not being real provides strong context for several loose ends of TFA

Why isn’t anakin doing anything to stop kylo

Because he is in the netherworld stuck watching if not in complete oblivion(unlikely)

If luke was powerful…why was he a coward?

Because he realized that his faith was a lie…and that he was simply a pawn. He has no one to confide in now in these dark times.

Why did kylo join the dark side

Because of 2 reasons…either he wanted immortality(or wants snoke to bring back someone he loved), or snoke used his fake force ghost powers on him. Maybe kylo ren sees a vision of paradise in the galaxy and wants snoke to bring it. Maybe snoke isn’t a true bad guy. Maybe he truly believes that with enough power he can bring a golden age. He can heal wounds, it is just a matter of using the force to manipulate cells. He can extend the life of life forms indefinitely as well as bring them to life if their body is in good enough condition.

Not my strongest plot…but certainly one with potential

End-of-paragraph punctuation percentage = 33%

How about you fuck off. How is that for a reply asshole?

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#1091810
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Although the whills theory aspect should be a little fixed (maybe snoke was cast out and killed his buddies during the events of the Phantom menace…maybe he never created the sith but merely fed off their power to become better than the other Whills to kill them)

Either way force ghost not being real provides strong context for several loose ends of TFA

Why isn’t anakin doing anything to stop kylo

Because he is in the netherworld stuck watching if not in complete oblivion(unlikely)

If luke was powerful…why was he a coward?

Because he realized that his faith was a lie…and that he was simply a pawn. He has no one to confide in now in these dark times.

Why did kylo join the dark side

Because of 2 reasons…either he wanted immortality(or wants snoke to bring back someone he loved), or snoke used his fake force ghost powers on him. Maybe kylo ren sees a vision of paradise in the galaxy and wants snoke to bring it. Maybe snoke isn’t a true bad guy. Maybe he truly believes that with enough power he can bring a golden age. He can heal wounds, it is just a matter of using the force to manipulate cells. He can extend the life of life forms indefinitely as well as bring them to life if their body is in good enough condition.

Not my strongest plot…but certainly one with potential

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#1091809
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Frank your Majesty said:

Every single character being manipulated for decades by some super powerful evil guy was already done in the prequels. And it was stupid.

Turning the whole saga upside down like that would just diminish it. The events of the earlier movies would lose their importance if everything was staged by Snoke. The force ghost of Obi-Wan gave true guidance to Luke, retconning him like that nullifies his teachings. In the context of the whole saga, Obi-Wan and Yoda are already complete idiots for not figuring out that Palpatine was behind it all, now they were also tricked by Snoke, too?

And then, is this plan really the best way for Snoke to rise to power? Like, is there no easier way than manipulating someone to fight against your cult in order to convert them to your cult? Like, why would he guide Luke to kill the Emperor, if the Emperor was the most powerful Sith and the Sith were created by Snoke specifically for his revenge plan? Wouldn’t it be easier to support the Emperor and Vader, who are already converted, instead of Luke, who might get converted, but if there’s a small chance that he doesn’t get converted, it would set the big plan back by decades?

JEDIT: Also, having a plot twist would be a total rehash and ruin Star Wars forever.

The rule of 2 is not lIke the old sith empire. The rule of 2 was less theocratic and more governed by government manipulation. The ancient sith empire built shrines, temples, and sacrificed jedi to him(this is all canon). Kylo ren looks like a freaking templar. revan can actually be tied to snoke. Maybe the threat in the unknown regions was a weakened snoke bidding his time. Snoke is immortal and is in no hurry

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#1091808
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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Frank your Majesty said:

Every single character being manipulated for decades by some super powerful evil guy was already done in the prequels. And it was stupid.

Turning the whole saga upside down like that would just diminish it. The events of the earlier movies would lose their importance if everything was staged by Snoke. The force ghost of Obi-Wan gave true guidance to Luke, retconning him like that nullifies his teachings. In the context of the whole saga, Obi-Wan and Yoda are already complete idiots for not figuring out that Palpatine was behind it all, now they were also tricked by Snoke, too?

And then, is this plan really the best way for Snoke to rise to power? Like, is there no easier way than manipulating someone to fight against your cult in order to convert them to your cult? Like, why would he guide Luke to kill the Emperor, if the Emperor was the most powerful Sith and the Sith were created by Snoke specifically for his revenge plan? Wouldn’t it be easier to support the Emperor and Vader, who are already converted, instead of Luke, who might get converted, but if there’s a small chance that he doesn’t get converted, it would set the big plan back by decades?

JEDIT: Also, having a plot twist would be a total rehash and ruin Star Wars forever.

Better than palpatine 2.0

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#1091786
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Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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The biggest plot twist in last jedi

The force ghosts are not real…but are all a deception from snoke.

All this time, he had been using his great powers to manipulate yoda and obi wan to think that they would come back after death…falsely believing that they can contact luke.

They were deceived and they were only able to observe the events but not interfere(meaning they couldn’t warn luke about anything).

Snoke was there this whole time from the death star to Hoth to dagobah to even the emotional ghost scene at the end of return of the jedi. He was using his powers to deceive luke and the audience into thinking he was talking and looking at his dead loved ones.

That is why obi wanted luke to kill vader, to corrupt luke to turn into snoke’s high priest…a position he later gave to kylo ren. What is snoke that he is powerful enough to do this? Snoke is a WHILL…whills are mentioned several times in rogue one.

Whills are the star wars equivalent to angel (or even a minor god) immortal beings connected to the force and are essentially godlike. He was the best whill and the other Whills grew very jealous of him. He all his life yearned to leave his realm to explore and influence the larger galaxy.

One day the snoke was prideful and belittled his friends for their jealousy which would without a doubt have caused the other Whills to be angry and pissed. one day he was betrayed and thrown out of his home by jealous whills who wanted him gone. And snoke was emotionally devastated, but instead of forgiving his spiritual brothers he became enraged and went to the jedi.

Where he created the sith, leading to the rise of the sith empire. The immense destruction the sith wars cost gave snoke more and more power(using the dark side to regain his power). He was soon strong enough to return to his realm and singlehandily killed all the whills for betraying him. He was cast out again by the bendu(a elder entity who is a associate of the whills if not one of them).

Now what does this all have to do with luke? Because snoke was casted down at the time that the sith empire fell…leading to the rule of 2.

Slowly he wanted to turn the galaxy into a theocracy…the more people who worship his ideals the more powerful he became.

Of course we see star wars play out. As the sith were manipulating the republic, snoke was manipulating qui-gon, yoda and finally obi wan into his false doctrine of immortality after death. And that voice that we hear In new hope is not obi wan…but snoke’s. Who was guiding luke so that he can manipulate events to his liking. Luke was meant to be his crowning jewl. His high priest for a dark side religion that will make him powerful enough to “improve” the galaxy. He doesn’t want to rule the galaxy but turn it into a paradise. He wants to make sure no one suffers. But Snoke is like a god…he needs worship to get stronger. Kylo ren is not an apprentice but a high priest of a new religion meant to worship and empower him. This whole time, luke was deceived.

Force ghosts were never real and snoke is basically space satan…deceiving us all

That is why luke is angry and is saying that the jedi are bullshit…because he has no one to confide in. The jedi were just pawns to a game that snoke played.

Thoughts?

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#1091235
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

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#1091234
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

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#1091233
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Should Vader and The Emperor even know who Yoda is?
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palpatine knew yoda according to the return of the jedi novelization.

There is an expanded version of the initial conversation between Palpatine and Luke. It includes Palpatine questioning Luke about who instructed him after Obi-Wan’s death; upon discovering that it was Yoda, Palpatine proceeds to mock the late Jedi Master by mimicking his object–subject–verb style of speech. he knew him well enough to do that…which is proof enough for me.

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#1089798
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When Did The Star Wars Prequels Become Cool?
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Density said:

Rogue One was awful. I find it even less watchable than the other prequels, if not “worse” as a film. At least they weren’t just fucking boring. At least they were unique. At least they were memorable, with memorable moments and memorable characters. At least they actually felt like Stat Wars and didn’t feel like some generic shitty sci-fi would-be flop that just happened to have a Star Wars skin on it.

The fact that Rogue One has a terrible, rushed score from some random composer rather than a John Williams score is enough to demonstrate just how un-Star Wars this film really is. It’s dull, drab, and dreary. Star Wars films are supposed to be full of excitement, color, and life. Things Rogue One had zero of. Only thing it had less of was characters with personality, characters the audience related to and were invested in, and a story that was interesting and unpredictable. It did have a lot of cringeworthy and forced fan service though, I’ll give it that.

I don’t give a damn how “adult” the movie is, because adult movies can still suck. If anything it’s the opposite of what I look for when I watch Star Wars anyway, which is to revive the child inside me for a moment. Rogue One killed him.

I’m glad you didn’t like this movie…because no one worth their salt would ever compare rogue one with the star wars prequels and say the prequels are better in anyway

The prequels were far worse than anything in rogue one…even twilight is a much more well written film objectively than any of the prequels