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#1370278
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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As in, instead of ‘I made Snoke’ it could be ‘I trained Snoke’ Could work if you can find trained or a similar word said by Palpatine. Doesn’t bother me either way to be honest.

nl0428 said:

Does anyone here have an interest in making Snoke out to be an apprentice of some sort of Palpatine? Since the vat of his clones have been replaced, I think it could work, but it would also result in the removal of his line, “you have ever heard.”

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#1369794
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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+1000

dgraham414 said:

I think the rambling is just as pointless as “power converters” or “moister vaporators” or “speaking boche” or “thermal oscillator” or “compressor adding stress on the hyperdrive” or “GIVE ME THE HYDROSPANER!”

When audiences see the original film they see the Falcon flying into different parts of space rabidly and they hadn’t seen that before (set aside that it’s stupid). The question is then “what is that??”

Answer in the film and canon; Lightspeed skipping

When watching the film now with Lightspeed skipping removed we see the falcon punch through a solid object while moving into hyperspace, something we have never seen before.
Question. “Didn’t the last time we see a ship fly into something at Lightspeed it destroy almost a whole fleet? Why doesn’t this maneuver destroy the falcon?

Answer: “you Lightspeed skipped? You can’t Lightspeed skip the Falcon!”

The audience now knows that the maneuver Poe and company did by punching threw the ice wall is different and a risky maneuver with an in-universe name. With a simple line of technobabble the question is settled. Without it, the question remains, “why were they able to punch through the ice wall?”

If we had not seen the act of Lightspeed skipping before, if we didn’t have that context, I don’t think that line would be in contention at all.

I understand everyone’s reasoning, I’m sorry that I’m harping on it I mean no offense, just want to explain my thinking. The added bonus is retaining one of the very few interactions we have between Finn and Rey.

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#1369793
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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+1000

natm said:

dgraham414 said:

I think the rambling is just as pointless as “power converters” or “moister vaporators” or “speaking boche” or “thermal oscillator” or “compressor adding stress on the hyperdrive” or “GIVE ME THE HYDROSPANER!”

When audiences see the original film they see the Falcon flying into different parts of space rabidly and they hadn’t seen that before (set aside that it’s stupid). The question is then “what is that??”

Answer in the film and canon; Lightspeed skipping

When watching the film now with Lightspeed skipping removed we see the falcon punch through a solid object while moving into hyperspace, something we have never seen before.
Question. “Didn’t the last time we see a ship fly into something at Lightspeed it destroy almost a whole fleet? Why doesn’t this maneuver destroy the falcon?

Answer: “you Lightspeed skipped? You can’t Lightspeed skip the Falcon!”

The audience now knows that the maneuver Poe and company did by punching threw the ice wall is different and a risky maneuver with an in-universe name. With a simple line of technobabble the question is settled. Without it, the question remains, “why were they able to punch through the ice wall?”

If we had not seen the act of Lightspeed skipping before, if we didn’t have that context, I don’t think that line would be in contention at all.

I understand everyone’s reasoning, I’m sorry that I’m harping on it I mean no offense, just want to explain my thinking. The added bonus is retaining one of the very few interactions we have between Finn and Rey.

+1

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#1362112
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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No, you wouldn’t add run time at all, you would rearrange the scenes in a slightly different order with Palpatine’s message playing over interspliced scenes.

Broom Kid said:

Knight of Kalee said:

+1

Though the Skywalker ghosts watching the Falcon/sunrise as an ending shot is a neat idea!

Hey, I remember pitching something like that a couple months ago 😃

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Rise-of-Skywalker-Ascendant/id/71835/page/116#1349475

Lightsideuser said:

what if we put ourselves in the shoes of someone that has never seen the movie and watches this cut, they have never seen any press about Palpatine’s return, but the first they see of it is on Exegol when Kylo meets him…what if, we keep the suspense going a bit longer…

The problem is that even in this hypothetical where someone’s never heard anything about Rise of Skywalker before, there’s never any suspense at all surrounding Palpatine’s presence. Adding more runtime to the movie isn’t the same as adding suspense to it. It just drags out the confusion and busywork. It doesn’t actually add suspense. I’d argue it’s more impactful just to drop him in the movie ASAP (skipping straight to Exegol) because there’s nothing to the atmosphere of Kylo’s “quest” to find him.

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#1361947
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Thanks for the recommendation, but overall, this is the edit that I’m going to love. I suppose we can all have a bit of an obsession about trying to change things and experiment with ideas. That’s part of being a Star Wars fan, I guess. It was an even better if thought and I can certainly live without that change. It may not even work anyway - unless someone wants to give it try. Wink wink 😊

axlanian said:

Lightsideuser said:

This is a thought, this is all it is, just a thought - what if we put ourselves in the shoes of someone that has never seen the movie and watches this cut, they have never seen any press about Palpatine’s return, but the first they see of it is on Exegol when Kylo meets him…what if, we keep the suspense going a bit longer, so, you have no mention of Palpatine in the crawl as planned, you then see Kylo go to Mustafar, get this pyramid thing that has sith noises coming from it, then we cut to Chewie, Finn and Poe getting the message, back to the Falcon landing back, Rey asking what’s the message? Then you hear what sounds like Palpatine’s message, interspliced with Kylo landing on Exegol, dubbed with the message, then you cut to the discussion and after Poe says,somehow Palpatine has returned, you cut again to Kylo on the lift, cut back to the rest of the resistance discussion, ending with Leia’s line and then cuts to Kylo hearing the voices and meeting Palpatine… it’s just a thought like I said. Would it work without disrupting the audio and music? Just think the simultaneous revelation on Palpatine to light and dark might have more impact…

Krausfadr’s edit is placing the Palpatine reveal much later in the movie:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Rise-of-Skywalker-RESURGENCE-Workprint-Released/id/72192

Give that a look?

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#1361931
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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This is a thought, this is all it is, just a thought - what if we put ourselves in the shoes of someone that has never seen the movie and watches this cut, they have never seen any press about Palpatine’s return, but the first they see of it is on Exegol when Kylo meets him…what if, we keep the suspense going a bit longer, so, you have no mention of Palpatine in the crawl as planned, you then see Kylo go to Mustafar, get this pyramid thing that has sith noises coming from it, then we cut to Chewie, Finn and Poe getting the message, back to the Falcon landing back, Rey asking what’s the message? Then you hear what sounds like Palpatine’s message, interspliced with Kylo landing on Exegol, dubbed with the message, then you cut to the discussion and after Poe says,somehow Palpatine has returned, you cut again to Kylo on the lift, cut back to the rest of the resistance discussion, ending with Leia’s line and then cuts to Kylo hearing the voices and meeting Palpatine… it’s just a thought like I said. Would it work without disrupting the audio and music? Just think the simultaneous revelation on Palpatine to light and dark might have more impact…

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#1360653
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Me too, only because Finn appears out of nowhere and it just feels a bit jarring. You don’t neccessarily have to show the light speed skipping part, reference it only. A lot of things in SW are referenced but we don’t necessarily need to see them to understand what they are. IMO anyway.

idir_hh said:

smpearce1981 said:

Unpopular opinion here:-

I’ve just watched Hal’s v3 workprint.

I really feel that the absence of the much hated ‘light speed skipping’ sequence slightly compromises the scene.

I know Hal’s reasons, I know a lot of people are wrapped up in the ‘tech/science’ of it…but I think it’s absence is jarring. The falcon/spy scene now just ends much too abruptly and lacks a crescendo…

Hal have you tried putting it back in? I’m not saying you have to like it…but have you tried it to get a feel in how it works from a pacing perspective?

I have to agree

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#1359299
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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How about inter-splicing Palpatine’s message, starting with Rey saying ‘whats the message?’ That aerial shot of them listening extend for another second or two, cut to Exegol for 2 seconds or so, then cut to Ren on the star destroyer looking out into space, then back to camp where the message should be running out, altering the audio each time to sound slightly different for each of the receivers that play it. Poe then delivers his line. No need to cut to crowds on other planets, just concentrate on the reactions from our main characters? Just a suggestion. If I was an editor myself, I would have a go at it, but I’m not, well not of any worth anyway.

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#1359047
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I think you’re onto something here though. If done right (and I don’t think you’re that far off) it adds that eeriness you’re wanting for this scene. Palpatine should be really scary and we should be intimidated by him. I think you managed to convey this here. It should be a 'oh s#$t moment, rather than an ‘oh well’ moment.

I think the delay between Rey asking what’s the message and it being relayed was good, although some of the personal comm footage I felt wasn’t necessary. I think the depth and echo of Palpatines voice was really good, as was the choice of music, but a little too loud in places, as it masked the dialogue a bit. Also, I thought it was more powerful just to have the base camp hear the message and see their reactions, rather than go to Cloud city etc. More impact when you see the abject horror on the main characters faces. This isn’t to say that the message isn’t received elsewhere, it’s just off camera. I do think you’re onto something though and if you can get it just right, it should be considered to go in the cut in my opinion.

idir_hh said:

Yes, if you listen closely, my version of the broadcast kinda adds more context to the events of the ST in general.
“At last the work of generations is complete. The great error is corrected.Skywalker is Dead. The Republic has been destroyed. The day of victory is at hand. The day of Revenge. The days of the Sith”
https://vimeo.com/404134108

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#1357359
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Just seen V2 and I was blown away. Best fan edit I’ve seen so far. Well done everyone. I think with the other things yet to be added, it will make this film so so much better and be a fitting end to the saga.

I’m no editor, I have very little gripes at all. The only one improvement I think just needs to be looked at is when the Falcon lands back after we have the clipped out lihht speed skips, Finn does seem to be abruptly placed in the scene,is there any way of smoothing that transition a little bit? It’s a tiny thing, but if it can be done, excellent.

In the novelisation, Luke calls out to Leia several times. I’m not sure about this, it gaves us more Luke involvement which is good, and I think this was the intention, but ultimately takes away Leia’s decision to do what she has to do to reach Ben. What do you think? Better left out or put in?