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#1410760
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

You’ll have to let me know what he says, in particular about Stalker.

https://youtu.be/HsN34cmEBsg

Here’s the preview of his talk from their YouTube channel.

His family were big movie buffs and his grandfather would tale them to foreign films often. Rian grew up loving Star Wars (of course), Raiders of the Lost Ark, E.T., The Treasure of the Sierra Madre, Scorsese films and such. He started out shooting parody films on Super-8 format in junior high and his interest in filmmaking progressed until he got to the point of considering directing film a serious career applied to various film school once he was old enough, but he was rejected repeatedly. Though, he managed to get in to USC during the midterm with his last application which was written as an “obnoxious screw you” diss but ended up getting accept because of it, lol.

About Stalker, he says that he had only seen the film within the past year (of the interview) and he’d seen The Sacrifice, Ivan’s Childhood and Solaris beforehand which prepared him for Stalker. He calls the film mesmerizing, says that people should go into the film thinking of it as a mountain to be climbed and that although the film uses “boredom” as a tool in it’s storytelling that it is ultimately rewarding. He also said that he would not want to go into the Room lest he actually discovers his true heart’s desires. Which yeah, can’t blame him.

And yes, I finally got around to watching Stalker myself. I feel less inclined to speak on how I feel about Stalker than even Solaris, but if I could say anything, wowwie! I indeed love the film. It’s obvious from this film and Solaris the Tarkovsky will let his films take as much time as he needs to build their atmosphere and tone and it works incredibly well. If Stalker were a Hollywood production it’d be cut an hour shorter at minimum and the film would utterly suffer for it, the effect he was going for totally demolished. This will be another blu-ray I’ll be picking up whenever the next Criterion sale occurs, for sure.

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#1408666
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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Stardust1138 said:

Adding The Tree of Life by Terrence Malick and The Red Shoes by Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger!

I am glad to see you watched and had such an experience with Solaris, LeparMessiah117. I’ll be curious to see how it goes on your second viewing.

I don’t have a subscription to the Criterion Channel but I know there’s some great films on offer. Recently they added Bertrand Tavernier who I’d really like to get into as their trailer looked very intriguing and lovely. I’m not sure I recall your opinion on The Last Jedi but there’s also an interview on there where Rian Johnson talks about his favourite films in the Collection with Alicia Malone.

Yes, Solaris is one of those films I refuse to give my full thoughts on until the 2nd viewing. Now some time later, even though so much of the film sticks out vividly in my mind, it deserves secondary analysis in order to form a fully realized assessment of my feelings on the film. But I’m saving that for blu-ray so I have bonus materials. I’m very much looking forward to Stalker now that I have the channel.

And yes, I rather like The Last Jedi and the films of Rian Johnson. Is that interview a part of the same series where filmmakers talk about Criterion films and going through a closet of Criterion blu-rays? I saw one of those with Terry Gilliam a while back. I know Criterion puts out alot of filmmaker interview footage on Youtube and such, so maybe/maybe not.

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#1407846
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The Hobbit (M4 Book Edit) (Released)
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To be honest, comparing the 3 different versions I’d say the Arkenstone edit probably works the best. I’d guess it’s probably the shot of Bilbo grabbing the ledge that makes it seem a little less obvious of an edit than the other two.

Still, I also have no problem with the way the scene plays out in the current version either, although I guess Bilbo coming closer to plummeting off the ledge provides more excitement and we do get more interaction between Bilbo and Thorin, which isn’t a bad thing.

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#1405471
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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I finally got a subscription to the Criterion Channel (an annual membership) and needless to say, the library of films featured with the service is staggering. I hardly know where to begin! The films I’ve viewed so far in the few days that I’ve had it are:

Lolita - directed by Stanley Kubrick
Once Upon a Time In the West - directed by Sergio Leone
The Quiet Family - directed by Kim Jee-woon
Vernon, Florida - directed by Errol Morris
The Picture of Dorian Gray - directed by Albert Lewin

May be a longshot (and I intend to search the internet for other possible sources) but if anybody here also happens to have the service, I’d appreciate recommendations for more films.

My current plan is to first view films that I already had heard of and had previous interest in seeing and also to go though the featured films that are also a part of the Criterion Collection’s current catalogue of blu-ray releases so I may decide if I like any films enough that I’d want the full experience that comes with owning the film’s Criterion blu-ray release.

And I’d definitely recommend checking the channel out to any film buff for sure (not a shill, lol), it seems as though there’s plenty of variety to accommodate anybody’s taste in movies.

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#1405466
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The Hobbit (M4 Book Edit) (Released)
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Hey, if you find that there are still edits to be made and have the will to make them, I say go for it. HAL9000 is STILL making minor changes to his prequel trilogy edits and they’ve been out for years and years now. I’ve downloaded several versions myself, because I only want the best possible versions of films that deep down I want to enjoy. The fans of any edit will likely always come back for the next version if the new edits improve the experience. Improvements are always welcome.

And your paraphrased Gandalf quote is a good disclaimer and you should probably just leave it at that.

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#1402479
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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axlanian said:

Movies Remastered said:

Have Ben live, Leia’s vision of his death changes, they get married, Reylos unite! Everyone wins.

Have Ben live, but slip away into exile to go be a wandering Robin Hood-type who tries to redeem himself by helping the downtrodden across the galaxy because there’s no way he would be accepted with Rey’s Resistance buddies after what he’s done

That would be… aggh! Can we have a redo on episode IX, PLEASE!?

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#1401551
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The Hobbit (M4 Book Edit) (Released)
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JackNapier said:

chrisvilla said:

Watched this. It’s much better than the released trilogy, which bloated full of junk IMO. Love the fact that it’s much tighter to the book, and the pace is much better now. This is the only Hobbit I need now, will probably give the trilogy away to someone. Superb, well done.

You can’t give it away as the site says you have to own the official release of any fan edit or preservation.

Edit: not trying to mod just giving helpful advice.

Yeah, it would be best to hold on to those, at least symbolically. I purchased and still possess a blu-ray of Dune that I still haven’t watched just because I wanted to watch a fanedit of the film.

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#1401535
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Twin Peaks: Between Two Ferns (a WIP)
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meeko said:

Ah, yep. I did indeed keep this scene in to add a tiny hair of character development to Dick and Andy to show they’re at least trying to do something in relation to their potentially imminent fatherhood. Sure it’s a bit strange to have a kid appear then not appear for the rest of the show, but I think it at least demonstrates how Dick is attempting to be more father-like in the most shallow way possible. It’s a rare moment of silly comic relief in the edit as it presently stands, too.

Hmmm, that makes sense. Yeah, I gotcha, it does work in context with the rest of their subplot going forward to the end of the series.

Well, the manner of the stabbing is mentioned in the scene with Albert, Cooper and Truman, and it’s identicality to Caroline’s murder is also mentioned elsewhere (but whether it’s in that particular scene or not, I can’t remember.) Also, I feel that the following scene where they’re taking the body away also retreads some info (“If it was Earle, he didn’t miss a beat…” “No fibers…” “I found that car on the logging road, just like he said…”) but in a less direct “Cooper explaining things” way and more of a possible implied, unseen conversation way. But now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not sure if it’s mentioned outside of this scene if Windom orchestrates the power outage. It may not be feasible to cut it the scene, but that’s up to you to decide if it could and/or should be cut.

And that now sounds like a very redundant scene, and it’s now gone. Now sitting at 155 minutes, nice spot!

Cool, can’t wait to see how it works in the final edit! Hope others give your edit a go, I think you’re doing good work.

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#1401388
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Twin Peaks: Between Two Ferns (a WIP)
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meeko said:

From what I can remember, that plotline is pretty much entirely cut? The only remnants currently are Nicky’s case worker mentioning his parents passed in mysterious circumstances to Lucy, Dick and Andy before Andy gets called away to the Great Northern, and the Doc briefly calling Nick, Andy and Lucy into a room (we don’t see the scene wrapping up the whole subplot). Both of those scenes I only kept in because there would be rough audio transitions otherwise. Other than that, the entire subplot is gone. Unless there’s something else I missed?

The scene with Andy taking Dick and Nicky out for Malteds is intact. It is the end part of the scene with Roger (the FBI agent) Ernie Niles, Hank and Norma at the Double RR 20-25 minutes in. The scene with them making the plans to get Malteds is also present.

Would cutting out the scene with the case worker be that difficult? I mean, you’d have to take some liberties with the soundtrack to make it work audiowise, but then I wouldn’t know if it’d actually work unless I personally sat down and tried it editing it myself.

I’m all for trimming down the runtime as much as possible, so could you clarify where exactly the information appears elsewhere?

Well, the manner of the stabbing is mentioned in the scene with Albert, Cooper and Truman, and it’s identicality to Caroline’s murder is also mentioned elsewhere (but whether it’s in that particular scene or not, I can’t remember.) Also, I feel that the following scene where they’re taking the body away also retreads some info (“If it was Earle, he didn’t miss a beat…” “No fibers…” “I found that car on the logging road, just like he said…”) but in a less direct “Cooper explaining things” way and more of a possible implied, unseen conversation way. But now that I’m thinking about it, I’m not sure if it’s mentioned outside of this scene if Windom orchestrates the power outage. It may not be feasible to cut it the scene, but that’s up to you to decide if it could and/or should be cut.

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#1401342
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Twin Peaks: Between Two Ferns (a WIP)
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Alright, just finished my viewing and here are my thoughts:

Overall, it’s a promising edit. Most of what was cut out was not missed and what was left in kept the storylines held together rather well. But I have a few suggestions. First being that maybe the orphan Nicky subplot could be cut out entirely? Since it doesn’t amount to anything in the end, even in the original version, it might be best to leave it out. I realize this means cutting Andy, Lucy and Dick down practically to cameo appearances only, but if their plot doesn’t really contribute to anything at all and doesn’t feature the most of the comic-relief shenanigans that Andy and Dick get into, then it might be best to axe it entirely.

In terms of Ben’s subplot, I would suggest reintroducing the scene featuring Dr. Jacobi’s explanation of Ben’s condition of “trying to change his own circumstances by changing the outcome of the Civil War” so we have a better understanding of why he’s acting the way he is in his scenes.

For James, it may be best to reinsert one or two scenes in between James fleeing the police and returning to confront Evelyn. I think it may be necessary to bring back the scene Eveline talking to the police (if just for consistencies’ sake, given the closeups of Evelyn wearing the mourning veil in the confrontation scenes) and maybe the scene where Donna confronts Evelyn and Malcolm at the bar. As it stands now, it just feels like there’s a bit too much missing for the truncation of this plot to come off as completely seamless.

Some other things I’d like to address/suggest would be the credits that wound up included at various points in the edit. During Briggs’ questioning at the Sheriff’s station, the credits, I would imagine, could be removed with a simple cropping of the shots in which they are featured. The framing may come off as oddly close, but in my opinion, it would be less distracting than credits randomly appearing here. As for the scene of the examination of Windom’s victim, unfortunately cropping is not an option here as the credits are center-focused in the shots. However, and you may disagree, but I feel as though this particular scene could be cut entirely, as most if not all of the important information relayed here is found in other scenes featured later in this edit.

Also, some minor editing suggestions would be to extend the thunderclouds shot after Major Briggs’ reappearance by perhaps slowing down the footage. You won’t be able to get much more out of it, but it would be something. And I would also suggest that the commercial-break cut during the hostage situation at Dead Dog Farm could be edited to a more traditional kind of transition? As in, edit it to pretend there was no commercial break there at all and make it a time-passing transition, going from Sheriff Truman aiming his shotgun to the shot of the moon, maybe using a little audio layering and crossfades. I suggest this only because there was a fade-to-black/fade-in transition in the previous scene just before going from Nadine and Ed to Dead Dog Farm.

And finally, some lingering frames! For ease of editing, here are the frames you missed that I found during my viewing of the workprint:

53m & 57s - frame left in transition from Dead Dog Farm to sheriff’s station
1h, 6m & 59s - frame left in transition between Audrey, Cooper & Denise hotel scene and Denise confronting Ernie Niles
1h, 9m & 36s - frame left in transition between Ernie Niles interrogation and Brigg’s reappearance
1h, 28m & 52s - frame left in transition between wiring Ernie Niles scene and Donna asking Ed about James
1h, 43m & 12s - frame left in transition between the examination of Windom’s crime at the sheriff’s station and Leo terrorizing Shelly
1h, 49m & 26s - frame left in transition between Truman giving Cooper the Windom Earle case and James’ conversation with Mr. Marsh
1h, 51m & 13s - frame left in transition between Mr. Marsh driving off and Cooper contemplating the chess game

Again, very promising workprint here. Just needs some shaping up and it’s good to go V1 as far as I’m concerned. Looking forward to the final edit!

EDIT: One last thing! I’d really like to look at a cutlist if you have one to see if there was anything that you cut that maybe I’d wanna suggest adding back in. And thanks for the work you put in here!

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#1400635
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REQUEST: Twin Peaks Season 2 - Cutting out the fluff.
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meeko said:

Well… This is strange. I’m currently in the middle of a Star Wars re-watch and just joined this forum to explore the fan edits a bit more, but I have been quietly working on a fanedit for Season 2 of Twin Peaks that cuts out the suck. The working title is presently Twin Peaks: Between Two Ferns. I was planning to make an announcement on Fanedit.org once I have a finished workprint done to show people.

IMO Season 2 of Twin Peaks starts and ends strong, the main problem is episodes 11-15 being almost entirely subplots. My edit combines those episodes into a single film, slimming down on the filler material. The idea is to watch the fanedit as a replacement for those episodes when watching season 2, otherwise you watch the remainder of the season as is. Currently its sitting at around 2 hours 38 mins long, removing 76 minutes of footage. I guess I’ll be making a proper announcement thread here when it’s ready. 😃

I’m gonna keep an eye out for this one!

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#1400177
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What do you like about the EU Pre-Disney?
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I figured this thread would be a good place to post this.

At some point in the near future I plan on doing an extensive read-through of most pre-Prequel Trilogy content. I’ve had the strong desire to read the books informed solely by the Original Trilogy, to experience the franchise as from a time that was a bit before my own time. The Phantom Menace came out when I was only 8 years old and I hadn’t even become modestly well-read until I was probably 23. Also, being that I consider the Original trilogy the only true Star Wars story of the films, it makes sense to me not include any post-EP 1 released content, even if set around A New Hope or onwards. I don’t want anything where the author heavily considered any of the prequels during the writing process their book. The list of novels I tentatively will be reading is as follows:

Han Solo Trilogy:
The Paridise Snare
The Hutt Gambit
Rebel Dawn

Dark Forces: Soldier for the Empire

Splinter of the Mind’s Eye

Shadows of the Empire

The Truce at Bakura

X-Wing:
Rogue Squadron
Wedge’s Gamble
The Krytos Trap
The Bacta War

The Courtship of Princess Leia

Thrawn Trilogy:
Heir to the Empire
Dark Force Rising
The Last Command

I, Jedi

Children of the Jedi

Darksaber

Planet of Twilight

Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy:
Before the Storm
Shield of Lies
Tyrant’s Test

The New Rebellion

The Corellian Trilogy:
Ambush at Corellia
Assault at Selonia
Showdown at Centerpoint

The Hand of Thrawn Duology:
Specter of the Past
Vision of the Future

The reason I’m posting this is that I know there some books here less warmly received than others and I’d really appreciate any Star Wars veterans to give me a bit of advice on what I should maybe skip (and what they’d consider essential). These are all pre-Phantom Menace, but it’s still quite a sizable amount of books to buy and read through and I’d like to maybe not waste as much time and money as I might. I should maybe note that there is “skippable bad” and “it’s bad, but some really important stuff happens in this book” and I’d prefer to not miss anything that’s maybe too important for the setup of other stories, even if the quality of the book is on the poor side.

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#1398152
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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I just finished watching Solaris. Quite a tremendous film, slow but never boring. The camerawork is indeed very excellent, deliberate and purposeful and it’s themes contemplative. This is a film I’d avoid giving a concrete rating until a 2nd viewing but I’d call it absolutely a great film to be sure. This will go on my list of “Criterion blu-rays to obtain.”

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#1398022
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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If a Fortress Vader shot is to be implemented, I make a request to whomever works on the shot to attempt to make the castle appear to be more of a desolate ruin than the previous concepts. Maybe make it seem as though one of the two spires has broken off? After all, it is supposed to be in ruins and why wouldn’t it be? It should be noted that the Mustafarians were not happy about Vader building his castle on their planet, to say the last.

Apologies for being a stickler for the extended universe canon.

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#1397202
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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CourtlyHades296 said:

LeperMessiah117 said:

CourtlyHades296 said:

If you aren’t aware, there’s a huge amount of Criterion titles on HBO Max.

I did notice some, such as Seven Samurai. Problem is that HBO Max doesn’t seem to feature a Criterion hub in the same way they have for other channels, like Adult Swim for example, so I have no way of knowing the full extent of their Criterion selection from within HBO Max, unless there’s something I’m overlooking, that is.

Classic films are under the Turner Classic Movies hub, which is where all the Criterion titles are.

Ah, that’s good to know. We just got Max so I’m not totally familiar with it yet.

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#1397145
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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CourtlyHades296 said:

If you aren’t aware, there’s a huge amount of Criterion titles on HBO Max.

I did notice some, such as Seven Samurai. Problem is that HBO Max doesn’t seem to feature a Criterion hub in the same way they have for other channels, like Adult Swim for example, so I have no way of knowing the full extent of their Criterion selection from within HBO Max, unless there’s something I’m overlooking, that is.

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#1396655
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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Twin Peaks The Return isn’t a film, but a “limited series” of 18 episodes. However, given that it is entirely directed by Lynch, written by him and Mark Frost and feature no episodes that could possibly be viewed in a self-contained way, it could easily be consider an 18 hour film split into 18 parts and in fact has been referred to as a film rather than a TV series by some reviewers.

Tarkovsky clearly has a strong visual style that is very striking, I will have to give those films a go quite soon. Another reason to get The Criterion Channel, I’d say.

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#1396645
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The Criterion Collection Thread
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Twin Peaks is my favorite thing by David Lynch. The first half of the series is so strong, but wanes after it’s 2nd half after Lynch and writer Mark Frost left the show, only to be yanked out of the jaws of defeat when they returned for the finale. The film seems disliked by many but I find it an excellent prequel, especially the fanedit (Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me - Teresa Banks and the Last Seven Days of Laura Palmer) that brings it up to a 3 and a half hour running time. And Twin Peaks The Return is a masterpiece. It just is, lol

Eraserhead is a good starting point with David Lynch, it is a good upfront example of his weirdness and typifies his style. Blue Velvet is a classic and is probably the film that cemented him as an essential American filmmaker. A dark and captivating mystery/thriller that also showcases a lighter, less bleak and more hopeful side to his films.

Tarkovsky is definitely a filmmaker who I’ve heard people mention but I’ve never really had exposure to him outside of a trailer for Stalker, which I recall did intrigue me but I have yet view. It seems to me a filmmaker who has multiple Criterion Collection releases probably warrants at least a thorough exploration of their catalogue.

I’d really like a subscription to The Criterion Channel. I really wanna check out alot of these films they offer, especially their foreign films. I have seen too little non-United States produced films aside from ones made in the UK, Japan and South Korea.