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#707297
Topic
Would it have been possible to make the PT (in the late 90's / early 00's) in a way that synced up with the OOT?
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RicOlie_2 said:

We can't see the face of the hooded figure, and his name is not given, but he is instructed to kill Anakin Skywalker. Then comes the volcano battle. Anakin is defeated and killed (or so we are led to believe) by the hooded figure, who is masked throughout the whole thing. The movie ends.

In the third movie, Darth Vader is still hooded and cloaked the same way as before, but he now has a mask that is reminiscent of the mask we see in the OT.

Interesting, but what happened to Not-Vader?

Maybe a carefully-worded speech in Part 3. On the surface, Vader is giving Ben a villainous rant about how he turned to the dark side to get revenge on the assassin who maimed him - the subtext being that Anakin got better and killed Not-Vader between movies.

Then there's just the sudden armor to explain... maybe Not-Vader gradually becomes more Vader-like in each movie?

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#698037
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More Miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT
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FrankT said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Oh and George, Ric McCallum and the rest of the crew thought TPM was cr*p too (Not just OT fans). Anybody got a link to that footage of them in stunned and horrified silence for a few seconds after the first private screening?

 If that's true, how come they didn't just throw it out and do it over again? Especially since they had it planned out from the start?

They did re-edit a lot of the movie, particularly the last act. I think they were counting on the same miracle that made Star Wars '77 watchable after the rough cut.

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#697934
Topic
More Miniatures and models in each Star Wars prequels than entire OT
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Ryan McAvoy said:

Oh and George, Ric McCallum and the rest of the crew thought TPM was cr*p too (Not just OT fans). Anybody got a link to that footage of them in stunned and horrified silence for a few seconds after the first private screening?

I remember seeing it in the RLM video, I think in the part discussing how Phantom's final battle had four simultaneous plot threads.

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#686792
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General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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SilverWook said:

Not Lucasfilm approved!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANDMADE-TOBACCO-PIPE-STAR-WARS-R2-D2-Style-/171211076060?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dcf9b1dc

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANDMADE-TOBACCO-PIPE-STAR-WARS-Yoda-Style-/181294242091?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2a35fa992b

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANDMADE-TOBACCO-PIPE-STAR-WARS-Darth-Vader-Style-/171213006244?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dd1725a4

http://www.ebay.com/itm/HANDMADE-TOBACCO-PIPE-STAR-WARS-Jar-Jar-Binks-Style-/171208604306?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27dcd3fa92

There's even a Jabba one, which makes a tiny bit more sense. ;)

 I saw similar-looking Vader and Chewie pipes at a flea market last weekend.

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#683788
Topic
Flaws, plotholes, and "could-have-been-done-betters" in the OT (alternate plot points especially welcome)
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I would've liked more hints at Vader plotting against the Emperor. He seemed a bit defanged in Jedi and I like the idea of exploring part of the motivation for his search for Luke in Empire.

There was a subplot in rough drafts of Jedi about the Death Star's commander, Jerjerrod (read it in detail here). Basically the events of Empire caused the Emperor to lose faith in Vader, and he gives Jerjerrod the task of bringing Luke to him. He and Vader butt heads when Luke is captured, and Vader finally loses it and kills him.

I think there could've been a "breather" story between Empire and Jedi, similar to Shadows of the Empire. Luke would return to Dagobah to confront Ben and Yoda about Vader's revelation. The climax of this plot would be the Jabba's Palace part of Jedi. This would leave the next installment with more time to develop Luke and Vader.

I think the Empire could've been developed a bit more. Like in the show Avatar, where the more we see the villainous Fire Nation, the more we see that there are a lot of good people - they've just spent their whole lives living in a fascist state where they've been educated that their actions are for the greater good of the world.

I'll echo the need for more women in the OT. I was kinda bummed when I saw they cut female Rebel pilots from Jedi. I liked the shot of an older A-Wing pilot because it seemed like she had some story behind her.

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#683542
Topic
Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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Bingowings said:

Palpatine as Sidious was such a badly executed plot device I was always expecting a twist of some kind to happen.

I touched on this in another thread, but they missed an opportunity by introducing Sidious in TPM. Instead have a villain with no clear ties to the OT, get people invested in the present plot instead of waiting for some reveal, and only in the final movie does it become relevant that "PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL".

Also, how do you think it went when Palpatine got into his "Sith" persona? Do you think maybe his valet or whatever walked in on him making one of those "Kill the Jedi" holograms and he had to make up a story on the spot about some kind of historical reenactment society? Or did he just throw on the robes on his way out the door and say "Jeeves, I'm going for a night on the town"?

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#683047
Topic
What Went Wrong/What Can Be Avoided Thread
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NeverarGreat said:

"Arndt is said to have focused on the offspring of Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill), Han Solo (Harrison Ford) and Princess Leia (Carrie Fisher), with the original trilogy heroes taking on supporting roles. Abrams, however, wanted Episode VII to focus on the classic trio of characters, so audiences could have one more chance to enjoy them before a fitting send-off. The new characters, the offspring, will now be in supporting roles, according to these sources, and take center stage in Episode VIII and IX.

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#682868
Topic
What Went Wrong/What Can Be Avoided Thread
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-I think we should've seen more of the public's perception of the Jedi. It seems weird that only 20 years after a bunch of guys in robes were leading military battles and performing superhuman feats that the OT era is suddenly full of nonbelievers. Maybe if they were more of a masonic order... They have members from all corners of society, aren't normally recognized by any uniform, and their secretive ways have been known to create mistrust in non-members.

-If the stories needed a clear protagonist, it should've been Obi-Wan. He's an idealist ("guardians of peace and justice" in "a more civilized age") but his downfall is that he doesn't know how to deal with the darker elements of human nature that lead to his star pupil turning on him.

-There's not much consistency between the movies. Padme's changing costumes every 10 minutes, there's no consistent villain (aside from Palps, but we don't focus on him until the last one), and the ship designs are being replaced every movie (it might be a minor point, but I think we could've done with an X-Wing or a Millennium Falcon "hero" ship).

-Too much time in the senate, not enough time developing Anakin and Obi-Wan.

-Lucas tried to get political in his choice of villains (the Trade Federation, the Banking Clan, the Commerce Guild, the Corporate Alliance...) But not in a fun, Robocop-sort of way.

-Like Plinkett said, there's not much purpose behind the lightsaber fights other than the need for some kind of action scene.

-All the Jedi and senators are fecking idiots.

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#680993
Topic
Star Wars prequels were mapped out in 1981, only nothing like the way they turned out
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Looking back I saw a post about whether or not a good character could convincingly turn evil. I'm reminded of a quote from Spoony:

Actually, you know what? As cheesy as the acting is - and it is really, really fucking cheesy - I actually think Lords of Magick does a better job of building up Ulric's fall to the dark side than Star Wars did for Anakin. Oh yeah. I'm going there.

Here, let me lay down this beat, see if you pick it up: we like Ulric and we can tell he's a nice guy who loves his brother, but he's just weaker in mind and character. He's hot-tempered, impulsive, distracted by hot pieces of ass all the time, he's known to consorting with dark powers as shortcuts, and he's jealous of the powers that his brother has. 

I'm not even kidding. In terms of a subtle, believable character arc of a noble, good-hearted wizard's fall to the dark side, The Lords of Magick is better than Star Wars.

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#680981
Topic
General Star Wars Random Thoughts Thread
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Tack said:

I think the idea of a deserter Jedi other than Anakin could have been interesting, but they didn't play with the duality nearly as much as they could have. 

The guy does have the distinction ONE Sith who doesn't go absolute batsh*t when he duels. At least, in comparison to his cohorts. 

You know, the prequel trilogy had too many characters. Especially antagonists. Had Dooku been the only one, apart from Sidious, this might be a different conversation.

 Tru dat. He would've been more interesting if they'd actually gone with the moral ambiguity they hinted at in AOTC, and had been sincere in his plea to Obi-Wan in prison. They basically threw ambiguity out the window once he started talking smack at the Jedi in the arena.

He'd have sort of an arc throughout the trilogy:

Ep. 1 - Dooku (instead of Sidious) appears as the mastermind behind the villains' army. Years ago he couldn't substantiate his claims about the presence of the dark side in the Republic, and the Jedi fear he is mentally unsound and may have fallen to the dark side himself.

Ep. 2 - Dooku's forces appear to be preparing for war. When confronted by the Jedi, he insists that he will save the Republic and the Jedi from the evil they can't see. Now convinced of his madness, the Jedi attempt to subdue him, and he reluctantly fights them as he attempts to make his escape.

Ep. 3 - Dooku (instead of Grievous) is on the run, growing more desperate as his forces clash with the Republic. At last Ben has him cornered - only for his own troops to barge in and attempt to kill them both. It seems Palpatine has convinced the public that Dooku never really left the Jedi Order, but was secretly building his army for the Order so they could make a power play. Both realizing they'd been played, Ben and Dooku together try to rally any remaining Jedi for a final stand. Dooku finally falls in the ensuing battle against Vader and his troops.

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#663003
Topic
Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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ray_afraid said:

But if they were battling, wouldn't one side have to travel to the others time period in order to actually meet up? That would either put the Trek characters going into our worlds past, giving them 1950's tech at best (we were told in the 1970's that SW happened 'a long time ago') or the characters from SW would have to travel into the future where their tech would be even more advanced than what we see in the SW flicks that took place 'a long time ago'.

Not really much of a fighting chance for the Trekkies either way.  : p

Eh, something wormhole, something timey-wimey...

Anyway, Chuck Sonnenburg already theorized that the Empire would sucker in a Dominion War-weary Federation with promises of hyperdrives and turbolasers and what-have-you. :P

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#662559
Topic
Star Wars: Episode VII to be directed by J.J. Abrams **NON SPOILER THREAD**
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Bingowings said:

The plans of the Death Star would also be public record and there is Leia.... If Vader was kind enough to flag up her potential to go bad it would seem a shame not to explore it.

What happens to good guys when they have all the power and machinery of oppression that the former bad guy had?

 

I while back (before there was serious talk of a Sequel Trilogy) I was thinking about what might've happened after the war ended.

Leia never really came to terms with being the daughter of one of the biggest mass murderers in history. As a result, she doesn't understand the conflicts and temptations that Anakin and Luke faced. Ultimately the fear of losing the peace and unity that she spent her life striving for makes her vulnerable to whatever smooth-talking puppetmaster has eyes on the galaxy these days. And with weapons and resources comparable to the former Empire, there's the rising chance that history is about to repeat itself.