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skyjedi2005 said:

Well Lucas did not replace Tippett's stuff with cgi did he?

The Walkers are still the same.  The Rancor is the same only recomped, the tauntaun has not been changed as far as i am aware not even on the blu ray.

Muren thought the Walker sequence in empire should have been completely redone in cgi and Lucas said it was not necessary, it was Lucas who saved the original scenes from being violated by cgi.

Yeah, I got the impression from one interview that A LOT of the visual fx changes were actually Muren's and other ILMers doing, not Lucas. George probably is barely aware of half of this particular stuff. A lot of it was solely warm up for the prequels, despite all the hot wind about "technology finally catching up".

Wasn't the genesis of the SE primarily Mos Eisley?

The Cutter said:

 

those who are tired of it all, join me in the dark side !! The truth is here !! : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GvpT_7BMAc

 

 

Wow. That's just shear genius. I actually never minded the scene before, and yet this works on so many levels.

xhonzi said:

But that's not really my problem.  While watching the original, I could not stop thinking about the Nooooooo!  It's there, even when it isn't.  CURSE YOU LUCAS!

Ah, so I'm not the only one with this problem. Even now, I'm still staring at a blank wall while Lando pulls Leia away in Cloud City. It's just too damn hard to completely forget about the most grievous changes at times. You know it's not there any more, nor is it going to be there, and instead of focusing on what is, all you can think about is what isn't, and how glad you are or how peeved you'd be if it was.

Did they fix the changing windows in Cloud City? As much as I hate the new windows, it drove me nuts that they'd revert back in following shots, exemplifying the laziness of the SE. I'd been told awhile back that George and crew were aware of them, and would be doing something about it.

I just grabbed his version today too.

Meilr, I'm number 55.

Count me in as one that just doesn't see the point of the "NOOOO". That scene worked perfectly as is, with Vader making a decision while hearing his son's pleas. Now, it's like he's vocally trying to convince himself this is wrong to act.

Though I must say that as awful as this is, so far the changes have been much more subtile than I expected. Maybe I just don't know about the others, as I'm still digging through the thread. Some minor effects work, pointless and bad looking touches to R2 and Wicket, and some horrid sound changes. Honestly, I expected more. The new CGI is atrocious, but that's no shocker either. The SE was always half-assed and well below ILM's level. It always did irritate me even more because of such. Why should that change?

Still can't see myself buying this set, as much as I want the extras. I also agree that it's odd Lucas has no problem releasing unfinished deleted scenes, but can't release the theatrical cuts in decent quality.

Just saw that. Unsurprised at the Ewoks, since CBS did the same with the Gorn in the Star Trek remasters as a cheap way to "add more life" to them, but the "Nooo" is really left field. Vader's silence was perfectly fine, and resonates more. He's making his choice, and no time to articulate it there. The no is meaningless melodrama. It's not horrid, but completely unnecessary.

And I'm a guy that absolutely loves the Radio Drama's take on the scene. In that, he's screaming, "MY SOOOONNNN!" and has a great dialog with the Emperor about putting him down. What makes it is the line about Palpatine being Vader's master, but not Anakin Skywalker's.

We're also getting that new Krayt Dragon call. Who knows what else.

On the plus side, they sound like they might color time it properly this time, and have fixed the swapped music.

Of the Classic trilogy, I mostly stick to my ancient TR47 laserdisc rips for pure accuracy, or The Classic Editions that came out years ago, with the general exception of Star Wars since he accidentally left a huge CGI shot in the version I have. Though I've been wanting to replace them due to the awful colors and so on. For Empire, there's the recent Adywan Theatrical Edition that's I've been watching.

I'm pretty behind on the latest fan concoctions. I have Darth Editous' original edit, and it's not bad if I'm willing to watch a fan take on the SE. He fixes some things I don't mind fixing, unlike the majority of Georges stuff. Haven't seen the revisited stuff, as I'm not too interested in Super Special Editions, though the unofficial fan nature makes them still better in my book.

I've not heard of Harmy's. Perhaps I'll look into it. Are these the ones purists like me are looking for?

oklahomasmith said:

ray_afraid said:

ChainsawAsh said:

New deleted scenes, probably for all six movies, in HD.

Say what you will, but that has me sold.

In my case, no, thanks. I've never seen an added scene in the original trilogy that did anything but mess up the pacing for me. Guess I'm forever locked in the mindset of the original theatrical runs. In fact, the Blu-ray set has absolutely nothing to offer to me.

You and me both, buddy. This'll be exactly like the DVD set with me; I'll want the extras, but can't justify the purchase as I'd never watch these versions of the films. I'm mostly wondering what can of messing they'll do this time.

I might consider the prequel set down the road, as I'm not as purist on those, but I doubt I'll get the classic set myself. Shame too, since I should be frothing at the mouth for these. They're just not going to have the films I love.

SilverWook said:

Damn, and I was already saddened over Leslie Nielsen's passing. :(

You and me both, buddy. I sudder to think how the rule of three will come into play.

This move doesn't surprise me at all. After the GOUT fiasco, could we really expect him to give them a proper Blu-ray release? The new extras sound cool, and I'll probably give the extras disc a rent like the DVD set, but also like the DVD set, I have no intention of buying this.

I also agree about the reasoning. It was restored in 1996, and I'm sure a lot was digitized to overlay the new effects. Even without a full 4k scan of the original, all they'd have to do is the altered portions anyway. So I'm not swallowing that excuse. If a fan can cut the SE into the OOT, so can Lucas.

Chances are they will be the DVD copies. Complete with bad colors and all. Though I'm sure they're cooking up plenty more alterations to better align it with the Clone War era he seems to greatly prefer. Didn't someone mention awhile back that they'd actually caught some of the continuity errors they'd made in the SE, and planned to fix them. It's ridiculous how they keep changing them yet let those slide. The whole SE just reeks of half-assed rush jobs.

Hmm, when was that imposed? I've had that image there for years. Shame to retire it, but oh well.

Interesting concept. I've owned the SE cassette tapes for ages (I always called them the best thing to come out of the SE), and never really had a problem with them. I've never really heard the CDs outside of the occasional mp3 rip. The idea that something sounds better definitely makes me want to look into it. Especially since I've been mostly using my Sansa of late. The record rips are a nice idea too. Though the use of the real Jedi songs is the best part, as I don't need to switch to my old 83 tape.

I only comment because way back when, I set up my first two channel system. I was recording TLM off the Disney channel to preserve my original VHS. The downmixed stereo for the 97 sounded vastly different compared to the 89 stereo. Thanks for the info. It's good to know these 5.1 remixes have some creditability to them. DVD or no, I'll never let those tapes go.

While we're on it, my big concern recently is Sleeping Beauty. They're releasing a 7.1 mix. I know the source is six channels, but the original is stereo. A fifty year old movie in 7.1 just worries the heck out of a purist like me that wants the Bkuray (you've got to love the misleading add the touts the new 2:55:1 transfer by having a cropped widescreen image morph into a fullscreen one).

Sounds a lot more to my liking than your Temple cut. I love the original as is, but mighnt give this a go if i run into it.

So this is lost? I"d been using the Platinum as a test disc lately and remembered this project in my annoyance over the sound. I never did get around to actually finding where you uploaded it. Look's like it's back to my VHS copies (original 90's VHS with 89 sound mix and Disney Channel recordings with the 97 stereo - the first time I'd ever noticed a difference thanks to my then new stereo system. The two alone are vastly different.)