KillLucas

I didn't buy any of the prequels except see them in the theaters and I'm still waiting for Lucas to send me back my money of those movies with an apology. I bought the 04 DVDS because I didn't expect them to be as bad as people said, they were that bad!

Tiptup said:

You have a point, but it's definitely twisted.

What do you mean twisted? It's a sound idea if you ask me. Vote for Obama, you'll get a little more of George Lucas's money! I think that will make a good campeign slogan for all us originaltrilogy.comers.

He'll take more of George Lucas's money and spread it around to working class Americans. I can't argue with that!

Hunter6 said:

I think the big question is if we have a case of lucas knowingly conning people.
Well, let's look at the Star Wars DVD releases.
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2004 DVD Box Set of the Star Wars trilogy:
Here we have a four disk set (three movies and one bonus disk).

The green are too green and the reds are too red. Black levels are too dark. Very odd coloring of the movies in this set. Now, you may think what hell does this has to do with lucas knowingly conning people. Well, the thing is that it is a lead brick. This Very odd coloring is normal seen in poor cheap dollar DVDs. Go get a color movie from the Dollar Store and you will find that the color levels from dollar DVD are the same as 2004 Star Wars trilogy DVDs. The color correction of the 2004 DVD Box Set is really, really bad but lucas has knowingly put out a bad product (not just once but four times). Also the Box set is called the Star Wars trilogy, but has the Star Wars trilogy Special Editions. It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions seems to be made to tricking people into thinking OOT.     
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2005 DVD Box Set of the Star Wars trilogy:
Here we have a Three disk set (three movies and no bonus disk).

Here the con starts becoming clear. Here we have the same DVDs as 2004 with the same bad color errors. Now, lucas put them in a new box which has OOT art work on it. Once again It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions and Now it has new OOT art work. All of this really seems like lucas is knowingly conning people into think these are the OOT.
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2006 DVDs of the Star Wars trilogy:

Now here another case of lucas is knowingly conning people.
Just like the 2005 DVDs, the 2005 DVDs are Once again It being called the Star Wars trilogy without stating it is the Special Edition versions and it has new OOT art work. The new Con is that these DVDs have the unaltered original theater versions. The thing is that it is NOT the unaltered original theater versions, but is the 1993 laserdisk versions with the original Episode IV opening scroll taken from a 1977 print. Fans have asked lucas for anamorphic Widescreen unaltered original theater versions of the Star Wars trilogy, but lucas knowingly con people by releasing non-anamorphic 1993 laserdisk versions of original theater versions. The DVDs boxes state that they are in widescreen, but the con is that it does not state that the Special Edition versions is the only anamorphic version in the set. The boxes states the Special Edition versions are enhanced for 16:9 TVs and the proof of the con is here. What did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"? This seems to be only to confuse people.

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I ask you: Why did lucas use the word "enhanced" and not the word "anamorphic"?
I ask you: Why did lucas not use the words like anamorphic and non-anamorphic which make it easy to know that the two disks are not the same?
I ask you: Why did lucas not just sell the non-anamorphic 1993 laserdisk versions of original theater versions alone? 
I ask you: Why does lucas keeps releasing the Same DVDs with New artwork almost each year?
I ask you: Why lucas keep releasing DVDs (2004 dvds and 2006 dvds) with Errors and Bad Quality.

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I think police need to search Skywalker Ranch to find if lucas has been telling the truth or lying about not having the original masters of the unaltered original theater versions of the Star Wars trilogy.

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In the end of the Case of Lucas knowingly conning people could put Lucas behind bars.

 

 

Thanks mate, you really articulated what I wanted to say but just couldn't quite conjure up enough energy to type.

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Suits like those being discussed here generally are based on being defrauded into buying something and then being denied a refund.  In fact, that's how most infomercials work.  But people who have been disappointed enough with SW discs to ask for a refund seem to have gotten one.  So I don't understand the basis for suing. What were the damages?  Emotional distress at seeing Greedo shoot first?

lol, while I have been angry about the way Mr. Lucas has been destroying every franchise he can get his hands on for the last 12 years, it is not keeping me up at night. But for god sakes, he is the only filmmaker I know who wont give his fans want they want. He has been decieving and manipulating about this issue for the last 12 years. Sue him for ill marketing on the '04, false advertising, stating the movies as the original '77, '80, '83 version on the '04 DVD box, not specific on the quality of the '06 transfer and basically just plain DVD malpratice of the greatest sci-fi films ever.

skyjedi2005 said:

the 2004 set was a con nowhere on the box was it stated it was the special editions, and the copyright dates on the back all read 1977, 1980 and 1983.  Plus it was labeled as the original star wars trilogy and was advertised as such.  No mentions of the 1997 special editions or 2004 cuts anywhere.

 

I know a bunch of people who brought their sets back to best buy for a full refund as it was false advertising.  They got their money back and said they would never give Lucas another dime of their money.

 

Hell the movies are being aired without mention of them not being the original versions or special editions on spike tv.  They may trick some young kid who was not born back in the seventies, but clearly their con job never got past me.

The kid who said the gout was the original unaltered movies is a moron.  If they were unaltered they would be anamorphic with beatifully pristine technicolor and the original sound mixes. 

They were not.  The 1993 set was digitally scrubbed by dvnr and formatted for 4:3 television sets with a resolution no greater than 480i, though the laserdisc picture was 380 lines interlaced.  The sound mix was completely new and was none of the three mixes on star wars from 1977. 

Star Wars was modified when it was retitled Episode IV: A New Hope, and a new digital sound mix was created in 1985.

The 35mm mix was only ever available as far as i know on the fox rental tape from 1982 and the 1985 CAV laserdisc release.  So it was availble for what three years until it was buried.  And the rental tape and the laserdisc can have rot issues.  My tape has tape rot, and my laserdisc laserdisc rot.  Even the backup dvd i have of the 1985 CAV authored by darkjedi on dvdr has rot set in.

The mono MIX and the 70mm six track stereo mix with monaural surrounds have never been made commercially available.  Although the mono mix was lovingly restored by Belbecus he did not have access to the masters but a pal itv recording and a nstc bootleg of the theatrical cut of the movie from 77.

Someone tried recording the 70mm in the theater but the results are less than spectacular as you can imagine.

The original mix on both the 35mm and 70mm prints was derived from a 4 track master.  with home audio equipment you can listen to the 35mm mix and decode the surround information.  It is a very nice mix and only limited by the reproduction of the 1985 laserdisc audio fedility.  Which is crap in comparison to how it would sound on a brand new pristine print in a properly set up theater .

The 35mm does not have the heavy bass and boom that the 70mm had or the similar bass heavy 1997 theatrical editions which were released in dts 6 track.

Indiana Jones fans and star wars fans had their childhoods raped by Lucas and Spielberg, lol.  Just wait til next year when Gene Roddenberry rolls in his grave and the trekkies childhoods are raped by jj abrams.

I suppose I should've read through the forum first.

Hunter6 said:

We should sue George Lucas. 

George Lucas has become a con-man and I do think that there is more likely some thing in the law in which a someone or a group could sue George Lucas for con.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confidence_trick

A confidence trick or confidence game (also known as a bunko, con, flim flam, gaffle, grift, scam, scheme, or swindle) is an attempt to defraud a person or group by gaining their confidence.

 

I think in a court of law The '05,'06 and now the '08 DVD releases would be seen as Confidence tricks a.k.a scams.

The '06 dvds with the bad non-remastered transfers from old laserdisks is something taboo in mainstream media (specially coming from Lucas and ILM)  and most people who work in media would more likely call it a scam. 

This seems to fit the The '06 dvds: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_confidence_tricks#Gold_brick_scams

Gold brick scams: Gold brick scams involve selling a tangible item for more than it is worth;    

 

 

 You might be on to something mate. I think Lacas broke the grounds of false advertising with these DVDs on a number of occasions. Like the sticker for the '04 DVDs said "All 3 classic films digitally restored and remastered". Nowhere did he mention these were the SE or altered from theatrical prints in anyway. The '06 DVDs never said anything about the horrific quality of the OT. I doubt these '08 DVDs will say anything either.

I’m on your side. I just want Star Wars the way it is suppose to be. TRANSFERRED AND REMASTER FROM THE BEST POSSIBLE SOURCES! Is that so hard George? He is spitting in our faces and I’m really sick of it!!!!! I wanted to work with you guys as a team and help find lawyers to go against George Lucas.

FU Asshole!!! Are you defending George Lucas? You like the prequels? You like Hayden? You like Greedo shooting first? He’s a billionaire and won’t let anyone restore the OOT or hire writers, which everybody wants, but continues to make shitty movies instead. I would go on longer, but you probably know what I mean.

George Lucas can suck my balls! This guy not only irrevocably destroy Star Wars with his horrendous prequels but he also won’t let us have the OT the way it was suppose to be. Hayden Christensen was the biggest miscasting IN CINEMA HISTORY! So was Jake Lloyd! I can’t believe the scripts he wrote!! Hey George, EVER HEARD OF HIRING WRITERS AND DIRECTORS?!!! The ’06 DVDs was a spit in our faces and a huge disgrace to the cinema industry. Now he is releasing his shit versions again FOR THE FORTH TIME! I’ve had it with this guy, lets sue him!!! If I ever come in contact with George Lucas I will seriously climb over all his bodyguards and knock the shit out of him! Lets get some knowledge together, hire some lawyers and sue this ASSHOLE!