Keela

C3PX said:

 Adywan, I find it funny how she posted a quote from the US constitution, the world doesn't exist beyond America for a lot of these kids. Even if they are 37 years old (which makes the facts that they can't see the world beyond their own front door and are complaining about someone elses unsatified customers even more sad).

Ok you know what.... I decided to stay out of it since there were nothing but misinterpretations and attacks going on and no one was actually hearing me...but now....

I'M SORRY I ASSUMED ADYWAN WAS AMERICAN!! Forgive me won't you! FFS.

FYI, I have many MANY Brit friends and some of them can't see their world beyond a tiny island that would fit inside the state I live in.

That said, I take offense to the assumption that I'm one of "those Americans." You have NO idea who I am personally, my beliefs, my education, anything about me. I am however American. Born here and can’t do a thing about it even if I wanted to. So to jump all over me because of my birthplace, to get all elitist because my default setting is what I'm most familiar with is just asinine and as prejudiced as you are making me out to be. I would no more assume to know any thing about anyone here than you should assume you know me from a total of 5 posts!

I am also somewhat unfamiliar with British politics and I would never presume to defend a position I was debating with someone else’s political structure, so I used what I know. I do however know several Brits who assume they know how US politics should work and have no compunction in telling me who/what I should and shouldn't vote for on any given occasion.

But of course...I would never assume you were one of them.

Done...over...drop it. I'm outta here and refuse to spend any further energy on thick headed geeks who's only way of defending a position is by attacking someone personally instead of having an intelligent debate from two similar points of view. It’s too bad there were so many that couldn’t see past the ends of their own nose to possibly engage in intelligent discussion and maybe both sides could learn something new along the way.  

Gee…and then people wonder why the world is the way it is...

To those of you who took Axia's post as the joke it was meant to be, and those who represented a modicum of tolerance and humor, I thank you for restoring some faith in the human race. Few and far between as you may be.

Humm....OK...

1) I never said anyone should lose their Freedom of Speech. And to be clear the First Amendment actually states the following: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." All that guarantees is that the Government can't make laws to prohibit or constrain speech. Broader interpretations and Judicial rulings have expanded the use of the Amendment, but essentially all it guarantees is the Uncle Sam can't throw you in jail for saying what you think.

2) I am not "blindly" defending George Lucas. I am staunchly defending his right to do what ever the hell he wants to with his creation. Just as I would defend your right to do what you will with your original work. And, I was playing Devil's Advocate. There are many things about the SE that I dislike, tbh...I just don't endlessly argue about them.

3) Do you know George personally? No? Then perhaps you should reserve value judgments on his motivations. Again...Devil's Advocate.

4) I too have spent far more than anyone probably should on Star Wars merchandise. That said, I have the choice to spend money on future purchases or not. Again, you want to get George's attention...stop buying stuff. Don't buy into the mega-merchandising. I didn't hear nearly as many of you bitching about how much money you were spending on cracked plastic action figures from EBay from 1980 or on the ump-teenth release of the Original Trilogy in the new shiny black snazzy box, before the SE when it was just re-released for no particular reason. I stood in line with some of you for hours waiting to see the Original Trilogy re-released in the theaters as the SE...all the way thru to Jedi. If you were so mortally offended by the SE, then why go see Empire and Jedi too?? Why spend the extra ticket price if you hated ANH so much? I seem to remember record sales on movie tickets for every single movie, including the SE and the Prequels. Again...hit 'em in the pocket book and they'll stop. I promise.

5) Haven't you ever done something you spent hours of blood, sweat and tears trying to make come out like you see in your head only to have someone come along and tell you it was total crap? Surely there are people out there who don't like your fan edits who have been so shy and un-retiring as to let you know in now uncertain terms that they don't appreciate your efforts. Possibly bringing your questionable parentage and possible mental status to the mix? Even if that hasn't happened, can't you imagine how bitter that would make you feel? To the point of saying "Fine, screw you, I'll do what I damn please and forget you all!"

6) I wasn't trying to convert anyone. On either side. I was merely stating that we DO all need to just agree to disagree and appreciate the fact that all of us Sci-Fi loving, outcast, computer geeks still have a reason to come together and find common ground. Even if we disagree on the details, we can all agree that Star Wars has and continues to effect our lives greatly.

7) And…I understand that this place is a place for those who do disagree with what they dislike about the direction of their favorite movie. That said, why can’t it stay in places like this. Why does SW/Lucas bashing have to permeate every possible geek friendly place out there? What is so darn polarizing about a series of movies that has caused the subject to come up even in something, for example, like a video game review of a 1st Person Shooter which has nothing sci-fi about it and wasn’t even made by Lucasarts?

Again I say…why can’t we all just agree to disagree?

vbangle said:

This thread is pure SPAM bullshit. If you Lucas lovers want to come in here and spread your shit everywhere at least do it in the general forum.

Dam fucking kids....

Oh and for the record, I am neither SPAM’ing nor am I a “damn fucking kid” as I am 37 years old and happen to have children I’m trying to teach tolerance to. If you’re beliefs/opinions are so fragile that your only recourse to an attempt at genuine debate is to respond with such anger and assumptions, perhaps this is the wrong place to have a civil discussion… For those of you who can appreciate a heated yet civil debate…I apologize. Lesson learned.

I'm completely light. And I am quite familiar with the EU.

I grant you every right to have your position and stauchly defend it.

But what if you're one of the apparenly few and far between that doesn't mind what Lucas has or hasn't done with SW, in any incarnation? What if you're the guy that just really, super, duper, honest to golly gee willakers LOVES Star Wars! I mean loves it, in all it's glorious imperfection and reimagination. What if it has brought you joy since you were a small boy (or girl) from 1977 on and that, oddly enough, despite all your efforts to the contrary, despite the fact that you are a jaded and cynical individual as a whole, what if you just still realllllllly LOVE Star Wars. It brings you joy, laughter, and entertainment. It brings people into your life that you might not have met otherwise.

And what if every time you opened a magazine to read a video game review, or started up a web page to check your email, or logged on your XBox, or what have you and EVERY time there was someone bashing Star Wars, Lucas, etc...

If there is a place for everyone, which I totally agree there is, then why is it that there are so many who just don't get that they need to STFU and leave others to their joy in peace?

I have a very good friend who loves, or loved, SW. But now, she's not so wild about the Special Editions. She's not so wild about the Prequils. We've argued and discussed till we are blue in the face. She stubbornly believs in her position and refused to budge. Even a smidge. But we can still come together on many things IN Star Wars, but we've agreed to disagree about the incarnation that SW has had since ROTJ came out. And our friendship is better for it...

So why can't everyone (channeling Rodney King) just get along? Why do we have to constantly be reminded that so many out there just think Lucas is a moron and has ruined THEIR Star Wars?

If there truly is a place for everyone, as you say, then where is the place for the guy who still loves all that SW has to offer without complaint who can live a peacful life without having to avoid everything he loves in order to avoid all the negativity thrust upon him? Where does that guy go?

But it belongs to him....if he wanted to take every copy off the shelves and piss on them, he can do that...it's HIS to do with what he will.

What he wanted to do was entertain people. That's all. It's HIS vision, with which he can do what he likes. If you don't find it entertaining....STOP WATCHING IT!

What I was trying to get across is do something of YOUR OWN, YOU create a project that YOU hold dear, spend hours, days, months, years creating and perfecting it. Tweaking it so it's just so.... Find out how much fun it is to have to settle for less than what you see in your mind's eye, because of budget, production issues, technology limitations, and see how much fun it is to sweat and worry and bleed over YOUR IDEA...then after all that...Find out how much fun it is to constantly hear how horrible it is, how awful and just so wrong....

And all the while, the people who bemoan the loss of what THEY thought YOUR idea should look like....watch them continue to spend money on it anyway.

Yep...you all are really showing Lucas boy! Excuse him while he balances his bank account again.

LOL Nice one!

I'll go for the "It's Lucas' damn property and he can do with it what he likes!" version, possibly to include some deleted scenes that expand the story.

Get over yourselves people! If you don't like what Lucas has done, or not done, with HIS creation....how about you take some of that pent up creative (or so you may think) energy and create your own franchise/property???

Think you'd be so quick to mouth off then? What if something you held near and dear to your heart was constantly dissected, criticized, torn apart, re-done, edited, argued over, and generally ripped a new one? If any of you had have the drive and creativity in your little finger that Lucas has, you'd get off your collective asses and do something with your own creation instead of bashing and rehashing someone else’s work.

It's simple people, enjoy what you like 'cause life is short. Too short to expend that much energy tearing someone else down. Do your own thing....march to your own beat and take responsibility for YOUR creations. Have fun with life, you only get one!

And if you don't like something??? There's a solution: Change the channel, turn off the game system, don't buy the game in the first place, buy a ticket for another movie. The quickest way to send your message is thru the wallet people.