Jono11

captainsolo said:

The uncut release was by Warner Bros. in a pan n' scan master. This was utilized for the Dutch LD in PAL format and thus presumably for the Japanese Warner pan n' scan LD made at the same time likely from the same master in NTSC. I remember reading somewhere that this was the same identical uncut transfer but have been unable to find it again.

LDDB doesn't agree. I'm seeing a Japanese P&S release which coincides with the street date on the Dutch release (1990), but LDDB thinks its runtime is 133 minutes, compared to 139 on the Dutch release. That sucks if it's true, because I've always heard that PAL LD players are kind of crappy.

captainsolo said:

Awesome-can you check the TLD disc for the missing subtitle? Also if you have a receiver capable of playing back Dolby 5.1 EX, the TWINE disc is still unknown if it has this theatrical track or not.

Would you believe me if I told you that, to my great chagrin, the TLD disc is missing? I bought the box for literally a couple bucks off a friend who's not much of a collector (as evidenced by the fact that Moonraker and YOLT were missing altogether, cases and all), so I can check with him and see if he might have misplaced it.

In re: TWINE, the case claims that it's in "Dolby 5.1 Surround." In the setup menu, there are no alternate English soundtracks available. I can't actually confirm the 5.1 right now, but I should be able to somewhat soon. I'm not smart enough w/r/t sound stuff to know if 5.1 is different from 5.1 EX, but if it is, then no, TWINE doesn't even claim to have it. If not, then TWINE does claim to have it but I can't confirm it right now.

captainsolo said:

SilverWook said:

Yeah, the LALD SE looks like a VCD at times. :(

The THX DVD of Dr. No has noticeably more compression artifacts seen in ocean waves.

Is it possible some of the earlier 5.1 mixes were derived from 70mm releases? (At least the Moore and Dalton entries.) I'm thinking some of these ought to be preserved. They could certainly co exist with a PCM track synched up to the Blu Rays. Maybe preserve the SE menus too? ;)

I've got the THX Moonraker DVD on the way, and more factory sealed Bond LD's in my future. There is no cure for Laserdisc fever!

DN also has heavy, heavy noise that is not grain.

The early 5.1 mixes should be derived from the original stems as you're indicating, but all are straightforward 4 channel single surround masters. Being always on the technological forefront was never the intent of Cubby Broccoli, and Spy was the first film to not be mono. It is a stereo surround mix, but nowhere is Dolby listed as being applied so I can't say for sure if it was a Dolby release. Moonraker is Dolby stereo, as is everything through TLD, with LTK being Dolby Stereo SR. 70mm was used for some of the films in this era, but not all and it wasn't a primary concern as far as I can tell, so the mixes should be identical to the 35mm.

SilverWook said:

captainsolo said:

These 5.1 mixes will almost certainly trump anything from later on simply due to better compression and greater detail. Better practices because they were made for LD 5.1 which avoids the typical down conversions built into DVD audio. But the UE is the only release of LTK that is fully uncut in Region 1. The others are a rumored PAL German LD and a NTSC Japanese LD but both are full screen.

Is it feasible to patch the missing scenes using the UE? There is a VCD on Yesasia.com, but it's probably full frame...

Yes it would be indeed. The best would be to use the UE video and PCM audio from one of these rumored uncut LDs to patch into the PCM from the US one. The cuts are very minor, but once you know them you notice if they're gone. Primarily it's some body hits and violence, Krest in the depressurization chamber, the cocaine shredder, and a few little dialogue tweaks on cursing IIRC. All in all it's only a minute or two total. The worst is how they re-cut the ending of the tanker scene in order to remove a few seconds of burning. It makes no logical or cinematic sense in the 1989 theatrical version as Bond magically jumps back and forth from the explosion and is very disconcerting as for a brief moment you can't even tell which way is which, which of course detracts from the major climactic moment of the entire film.

This is basically what we're looking at: http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=3129

http://www.melonfarmers.co.uk/bbfc_cuts_licence_to_kill.htm

 

The only releases I'm seeing on LDDB that show runtimes longer than 133 minutes are a U.S. edition at 135 and a Dutch edition at 139. Almost everything else, including the U.S. releases, shows a 133-min runtime. What am I not seeing here?

captainsolo said:

I have a few, let me know what you may need. Have you ever found any with those few errors corrected? I'm starting to think it was a myth. If not I think I'll fill in my SE collection as well. I had been holding out for cheap boxsets.

The box sets are pretty cheap on Amazon, aren't they? At any rate, I just happened to come into possession of a partially completed SE box, the gold one. Which films from that one had the errors and what were they? I can check to see if they were corrected.

Awesome! Thanks man!

Way interested!

ThatArtGuy said:

Yes, I did find it.

That's awesome news.

OK, checked the rules, so I think I'm within them if I say you can find the TFU cut at Fanedit.info.

dark_jedi said:

Where can I find The Force Unleashed edit? this would be cool to watch with my little boy right before The Force Unleashed II comes out, although I think I would have captured the version from either the Xbox 360 or PS3, way better graphics.

If I had a DVD recorder I would try and make one for God OF War III first, I FRIGGIN love that game! Kratos rox!

Would I be violating the rules to post a link? It's been awhile and I can't remember what's kosher. I'll check the rules and get back to you.

You know how out of touch I am right now? I didn't even know they were making a sequel to TFU.

dark_jedi said:

How in the heck do you capture these?

Daveytod has done a few video-game movie edits. I liked his The Force Unleashed edit, and his entry at Fanedit.org on the cut explains the methodology in skeletal detail: Nintendo Wii -> DVD Recorder -> Womble Video Wizard -> DVD Lab Pro.

Looks like he hasn't been to OT in about a month and a half, but I'm sure he'd have some helpful advice on the subject of turning a game into a film, as well as editing tips and pacing advice.

Looking forward to whatever you put out. As I mentioned before, I think I'll be editing the first post with a list of who's tackling what games. Should I sign you up?

Unfortunately, I have become extremely busy. I don't even have much time to watch fanedits anymore, let alone work on them. I'm way excited for anybody who feels like they can do it to work on their own efforts in this project, and I'm happy to use this thread as a clearinghouse of ideas, maybe even edit the original post to show a list of games and who's working on what. Hopefully at some point in the future I'll be able to rejoin the fanediting effort in earnest, as I have several projects in various states of completion, and would like to get started on some VG edits as well. However, in the meantime, I'm very excited to see what you all come up with!

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

In the interests of diversity, Han and Chewie could be a couple.

After Luke asks "how did my father die?", Obiwan could tell him the WHOLE story. It would start: "this is going to take a while, now, try not to laugh..."

"So there I was, balls-deep in a midget..."

TheBoost said:

doubleofive said:

TheBoost said:

How about we go through and take out Artoo's beeping, and put in dialogue... to make the film easier to follow? I think he should have a cockney accent.

I was seriously thinking about subtitling R2 and Chewie.  I think it would be fun to try to figure out what everyone else is responding to.  Not in a serious way of course, but a fun side edit for someone.

 

 We could dub Chewie, and he should talk like The Fonz.

I've always kind of wished we could get the original dailies from shooting, in which the actors for Greedo, Vader, and Chewie, and I think even Artoo and possibly the Jawas, were talking in English to give the other actors something to respond to. I'd like to see that cut of the film, and if those lines are in any copies of the screenplay that we have access to, it would be pretty easy to get some amateur voice actors and re-dub the lines, at the very least.

russs15 said:

Check out the majority of threads on this website at the moment and you will get some fantastic ideas for this thread.

I like my Star Wars as I saw it in the theatre. Sorry!!

Aren't the majority of threads on this website just preservations of the various versions of the theatrical cut?

TheBoost said:

Frankly I don't like 'Darth' as a title because it doesn't seem to be used that way in the OT, and it instantly lead to 5,000 'Darths' in the EU, most with simply awful names, as the writers picked up a thesaurus and looked up random words with nasty connotations.

So...should we fanedit the EU?

DVD-BOY said:

Wow, well I feel pretty stupid!!!

I think when I hit the decipher.com/starwars page via google I recieved a forbidden error, and then the opening page looks so rubbish, I figured it was for some cyber squatters...

Have they completely trashed their old website though - star wars / star trek / lotr...

In a sense. Lucas took the SW license away and gave it to a company he has ties to, the Star Trek license stopped selling well so they discontinued it, and the LotR license always had a short shelf-life. I think all three games still have active players' committees that continue to create virtual cards, though.

DVD-BOY said:

Jono11 said:

DVD-BOY said:

On another note, I was completely unaware that Decipher seems to have 'gone to the wall'.

What does this mean?

Sorry, gone bankrupt.

I mean, they have gone bust haven't they??  Domain name seems to link to something else...  Wayback machine says that Robots.txt has prevented spidering, but I'm pretty sure it used to hold the archive.

 

They haven't gone bust at all. That front page is just an advertisement for their newest game, Fight Klub.

DVD-BOY said:

On another note, I was completely unaware that Decipher seems to have 'gone to the wall'.

What does this mean?

EyeShotFirst said:

Darth Chronus said:

Davnes007 said:

Just a little something I did a while back when Yoda's jumping was all people could talk about. I'm posting it now because there's nothing else for me to do right now.

Have a good weekend. :)

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLPEHBHKoeQ

 

Great - love the editing. But Yoda manages to kill off the OT.

Kill off the OT? I don't know what you meant in your wording but felt Yoda was just so much more than a powerful jedi in the OT. The PT should have better represented Yoda's wiseness. ESB was Yoda's shining moment. Yoda just feels watered down in the PT. When I watch any of the prequels I don't see Yoda at all. Sure he sounds and looks similar but he doesn't act the way he originally did. He just feels emotionless. As do all the jedi in the PT.

 

To be fair, I think that's what GL was going for. I think that, as much as he was trying to show the journey of Anakin Skywalker, he was also trying to show that the creation of Darth Vader was far more the greatest failure of the Jedi than the greatest triumph of the Sith. Really the only thing that Qui-Gonn does for the PT is represent the same "why can't we be real people?"/The Living Force argument that Anakin does, but with a lot more dignity and credibility. (Other than that, I don't see why we even needed Episode I.)

skyjedi2005 said:

This is not a slight at any of the fine laserdisc transfers going on here only that Lucas Should be doing the work not the fans, it is kind of backward if you ask me.

That's really only true if he cares one iota for the original unaltered trilogy. He clearly doesn't. The artist does reserve a lot of control over their work, and one of the things GL set out to do from the beginning was to have total control over his films.

Is it ridiculous and dumb that he has such contempt for the original cuts? Absolutely. But don't expect him to change his attitude anytime soon. If you want to see an older cut of a film that the filmmaker has completely renounced, don't expect anybody but you and the other fans to make that happen. It's like the Moroder soundtrack for Metropolis, or Bad Religion's "Into the Unknown." Sometimes an artist just gets it into their head that they don't like something they've done, and if they've got the power to keep it under wraps, they will, to the best of their abilities. Wouldn't you?

Mielr said:

Jono11 said:

Mielr said:

I'd say the best now is the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT-sourced anamorphic trilogy that uses the image stabilization/anti-aliasing scripts.

I'm also kind of a fan of OCP's Classic Editions (they use the 2004 DVDs and a LD transfer to replace all the SE material). They're imperfect, but the idea of them is great. I hope someday someone fully realizes the idea by doing a 2004 DVD/GOUT hybrid (maybe using the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT project).

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with any of the LD transfers at this point (except maybe Arnie.d's V8/X9 transfer of the Japanese Special Collection that's in the works). The GOUT really kind of made all the DC/Faces LD transfers obsolete, IMO.

The G-Force/Dark Jedi transfer, is that the one based on the Japanese LDs, or is it based on the 1993s?

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 Plus, looking at the screenshot page, some of those preservations look a lot sharper than GOUT.

 

Here's more info (+ screenshots) of the g-force stabilization project. It's sourced from the GOUT, not LD:

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/GOUT-image-stabilization/topic/9038/page/28/

No, the features on the '93 LD set have never been re-issued. There are some preservations of them, though. Rowman's bonus discs are one, Dr. Gonzo's Supplemental disc is another, there may be others.

Have you checked the Official DVD Index here?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/OFFICIAL-DVD-INDEX-Star-Wars-Preservation-and-Fan-Edits/topic/2450/

Which screenshot page are you referring to? I honestly don't see any LD transfers that look sharper than the GOUT (more saturated, maybe). 

Yeah, the Official DVD Index is the source of the largest part of my "Looking for" signature, and my list of preservations that I'm interested in. But there are, of course, many projects which aren't on the index, because of fanedits.com (which, for some reason, has far less than the Index.)

Maybe "sharper" wasn't the word I wanted. I'm careless with language sometimes, especially when it comes to this sort of thing. Maybe "better," or "better to me," was more where I was going with that. Less noise on some of them.

Mielr said:

I'd say the best now is the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT-sourced anamorphic trilogy that uses the image stabilization/anti-aliasing scripts.

I'm also kind of a fan of OCP's Classic Editions (they use the 2004 DVDs and a LD transfer to replace all the SE material). They're imperfect, but the idea of them is great. I hope someday someone fully realizes the idea by doing a 2004 DVD/GOUT hybrid (maybe using the g-force/dark_jedi GOUT project).

Frankly, I wouldn't bother with any of the LD transfers at this point (except maybe Arnie.d's V8/X9 transfer of the Japanese Special Collection that's in the works). The GOUT really kind of made all the DC/Faces LD transfers obsolete, IMO.

The G-Force/Dark Jedi transfer, is that the one based on the Japanese LDs, or is it based on the 1993s?

I've been trying to find the OCP classic editions, but no luck. Can't even really get them from him, for some reason. I was able to contact him, but he didn't feel like doing a trade.

Part of the reason I'm interested in the LD transfers is the features on the 1993 set. Have those been reissued ever? I'm also interested in them because I'm interested in getting preservations of all the different versions: the early LD/CED with the time compression and the missing 3PO line, the Japanese discs with the shrinking AR, the different audio mixes, etc., etc. Just a weird little hobby I decided to pick up. Plus, looking at the screenshot page, some of those preservations look a lot sharper than GOUT.

What else is there now, in the way of anamorphic transfers?

Just looking for the best in laserdisc transfers.

I have a voice that is good. I've dabbled a bit in voice work, but haven't really pursued it because my interests lie elsewhere. My voice is a deep bass, mostly suited for narrations and the like. I do have a decent range, but I doubt if I can even make it into the treble clef. At any rate, in addition to having a solid voice, I also have a pretty long theatrical acting resume. So my point is, I can do the stuff if you need a bass voice. I'll have to dig up a microphone for a demo, but just thought I'd toss that out there.

So I shouldn't bother trying to score these?

doubleofive said:

I grew up on a VHS copy of the CED of ANH.  It was time compressed?!  I had no idea!  I wish my dad still had that tape, I'd love to preserve that nostalgia for myself.

Yeah, just like the early LDs, time-compressed by three minutes.

russs15 said:

doubleofive said:

I grew up on a VHS copy of the CED of ANH.  It was time compressed?!  I had no idea!  I wish my dad still had that tape, I'd love to preserve that nostalgia for myself.

 

 The Starkiller XVID version of ANH would certainly fill that void in your life.....

Do you have the Starkiller XviD?