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#50230
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COUNT DOOKU
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Personally, I thought it was terrible. At least it was better than Ep 1. I've only seen it twice. 1) in theaters, opening day 2) the other day, cuz I couldn't remember ANYthing about it, and I was REALLY bored...

Like many "sequals" or "prequals" or whatever, ON IT'S OWN, it was ok. As a Star Wars movie, it was terrible. Acting, special effects, story, everything. SO differant from the original, that a huge fan of the originals, like me, finds it unwatchable.

Sorry to anyone that actually likes Ep 2 or 1 or whatever, but I just can't stand them.
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#50227
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Plot holes in the SW saga
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Jimbo:

basically, because of the nearby blackhole, in order for the distance of the Kessel run to be made shorter ("less than 12 parsecs"), you need a ship that is fast enough that it can travel closer to the blackhole without being sucked into oblivion....SO, in order to make the Kessel Run in less than 12 parsecs, Han would need a seriously fast ship ("able to make .5 past light speed").

HOWEVER, I think ric is probably right about how AT THE TIME, GL was just making stuff up to sound cool. But once the Star Wars universe took off, they constructed a story to go around the "less than 12 parsecs" thing, so it would make sense with the definition of "parsecs" that came later.
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#50008
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COUNT DOOKU
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Joker....Try to forget about the cartoon being the same as the films. I like the cartoon, but those are two completly different things all together..I see your pont but you can't compare.

As for Dooku...
I always thought he knew about the clone army. When he meets up with Sidious, they both mention the war and how the plan was working, or words to that effect, I take it Dooku knew all about the clones.

As for who orderd them, Lucas has said somehwere that the guy who ordered the clones WAQS seen in AOTC.
Who? Dunno
Why? Dunno

3 will sort that shit out.
As for the Obi- Wan thing..Dunno man, maybe he used the Force!


Well, the cartoon may be a bit differant, but it is an official Lucasfilm production so to say you can't even compare it to the movies is kinda dumb. Maybe if George Lucas wasn't an Executive Producer on the show.....but he is. So, they're not really "two completely differant things" afterall...

As for Dooku, I think you could be right on that one. He could very well just be acting surprised cuz all the guys he was supposedly plotting with were all there. However, he only says "The war has begun" to Sidious. That doesn't really mean anything...so who knows, really.

You're DEFINITLY right about us finding out for sure about all this arguing when Ep3 comes out.
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#50006
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How does Grand Moff Tarkin fit into Ep 3?
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Well, think about it. If Luke hadn't of made that amazing bendy shot with his proton torpedoes, the Rebellion would be over.

Tarkin didn't want to "evacuate" because they were only moments away from destroying the rebel base, with only a few scud fighters trying ALMOST hopelessly to exploit the faw of a straight exhaust port directly to the core. If it weren't for Luke's heroism, they would have triumphed. It wasn't a foolish move. He thought it was an exceptable risk to stay. I mean, the rebels chances of winning that battle were about, I don't know....3,720 to 1... Not to mention if Han hadn't have come back, Luke would have been shot down.

The "danger" that guy found when annalyzing their attack plan was VERY remote, and Tarkin knew it wasn't worth evacuating the whole base and abandoning the plan to crush the rebellion on the very slim chance that the rebels were successful.

Basically,
Imperial dude: "But sir, it's possible that their last remaining fighter will have a force adept pilot with Obi-Won Kenobi as his guide, and Vader won't be able to blow him out of the sky because Han Solo is going to come out of nowhere and make his wingman panic and accidently clip his fighter, sending him hurdelling into space."
Tarkin: "Uh, are you retarded?"
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#49874
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How does Grand Moff Tarkin fit into Ep 3?
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According to starwars.com, Tarkin was the guy put in charge of the Death Star. In charge of overseeing it's building, and then running it once it was completed. The Emperor hardly ever left Corusant, and Vader was his Sith representative. Tarkin was acting head of the Imperial Army (and a damn good one, I might add...damn, I have such a soft spot for the Imperium...). If you do a bit of digging, apparantly, Colonel Wulf Yuaren (guy with the mustache in the background during the whole scene where Motti gets choked. Apparantly, he was an intelligence officer assigned to make sure Tarkin stayed loyal to the Empire.

And as for Vader being on Tarkin's lease...

I think the Emperor was in charge of both of them. Tarkin was the brains, and Vader the brawn. Together, they were at the top of the Imperial Army. Plus, I think they've known eachother a long time, and had a mutual respect for one another. They seem almost chummy together, even tho Tarkin is technically above Vader. They seemed to work together and almost be like a team. It was cool.

Anyway, just my thoughts...
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#49869
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COUNT DOOKU
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I'm new to this thread, but I just watched AOTC, so I thought it might be of some interest, and I might have some ideas.

I don't think it was Dooku who erased the files on Kamino. The whole point of erasing the files on Kamino was to hide the fact that there was a Clone army being made. Dooku didn't know about the Clone army. That's why he felt so sure that his droid army would be enough to destroy the Jedi.

I think it was another Jedi, either one we'll find out about later, or one who's insignifigant. Yoda and Mace both hint at their being corruption throughout the Jedi order, so it could very well have been some other Jedi. I mean, however it was, it was 10 years ago. But obviously, the point of the army is all a big plot of Sidious's doing (the guy is a strategic genius).

He knows about the Clone Army (that's why he sets it up so he can have "supreme exectutive power" or whatever). He knows about Dooku (in fact, he uses him to start a "rebellion" of sorts, so that he can get that power. Then, he uses this new Clone army to defeat the droids, but keeps the power with his Clone army. But either way, he wins. If the droids win, he's Dooku's master, so he rules the "Empire". If the Clones win, he just keeps the power he's given, and rules the Empire. It's a win win for him. The guy is a genius. This goes along with my theory about why they build a second Death Star when the first one failed. It was all just bait to lure the Rebellion in (see my latest post in the "what's wrong with ROTJ?" thread).

As for Obi-Won...
The wrist/cord thing is rediculous. a) how does it wrap around? b) how does it stay? c) how does Obi-Won not lose his hand??
And don't say "the force", because that's gay. That just makes you sound like GL. Blowing the original ideas of what the Jedi can do WAY out of proportion and then just covering up all the questions about it making sense with "they used the force". I mean, have you watched the Clone Wars cartoon? It's ridiculous what Mace Windu can do. If he could really do what he does in Chapter 13 alone, why were they all so worried when they were surrounded? Did they really need the Clones to come and save them? No. Not to mention Mace repeatedly used the Force for attack, which according to Yoda is specifically forbidden by the Jedi. ("A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. NEVER attack." ie, blowing holes in droids, crushing their heads, causing them to fall into pieces only to throw those pieces back at other droids, etc, etc)

This is why I don't like the new episodes, because I think GL has gotten caught up in his own hype, and overblown the Jedi's power to the point that it's just silly. I mean, watching the Clone Wars cartoons makes me wonder what Ep 3 is going to be like. If it's like the cartoon, then you have to wonder, why wasn't it like that in Ep 1 and 2? Or 4, 5, 6 for that matter? It's a HUGE plot hole, that to me just seems like GL trying to win over fans of the Matrix. But then again, if it less then the cartoon, people will ask why they could do what they did in the cartoon, but not in the movies. Again, complete lack of continuance. GL has lost a) his mind b) his vision c) any grasp of continuance in the SW universe.

Sorry for the long post. Try not to flame me. Thx.
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#49535
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Plot holes in the SW saga
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You know what? You're right!

The Hyperdrive on the MF wasn't working, so they COULDN'T have used hyperdrive. Good call motti_soL. When I was thinking about it, I was thinking when you see them speed off, it meant they went into hyperspace. But, that would be impossible otherwise they would have used it to escape the Star Destroyer earlier instead of flying into an astroid field. I completely forgot that...wow...

I take back my earlier grievance.

And now I post a new one...

In the new espisodes (I and II), you see the Jedi twirl their lightsabers all the time. A prime example of this is at time 1:54:10 in AOTC (I just watched it). However, if you think about the physics of a lightsaber, this is impossible (It's actually explained in a Star Wars encyclopedia). It's simple physics really. A LIGHTsaber's blade is made of light. Light has no mass, and therefore has no weight. Therefore, it's impossible to do that really cool looking twirl thing with a lightsaber because the only part of it with any mass is the handle. Go figure that one out...
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#49498
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Star Wars Trivia
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Ya, I tried posting a response earlier, but the forums were down.

I thought about it, and you're right. Anything that DOESN'T require research is too damn easy, for a lot of us, it takes research just to think of a good question that MIGHT take more than a day to get answered. So, I guess as long as it's contained in the movies, even if it's never actually mentioned in the movies (such as the names of the bounty hunters seen in ESB, etc...which is not my question by the way).

As for MY question...Hmmm...

I'll try to make it challenging...

What are the names of the 2 Alliance characters (pilot and gunner) who flew the snowspeeder that first successfully used the towcable and harpoon to down an AT-AT at the battle of Hoth and what was the call number of their speeder?
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#48892
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What is wrong with Return of the Jedi?
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I was thinking about why the Empire would build a second Death Star when the first one failed, after someone brought up that question a while ago. Here is my theory...

They did it to trap the rebels. They knew if they built a second Death Star the rebels would come and try and destroy it, giving the Empire the chance it wanted to wipe out the Rebellion once and for all. Think about it...the rebels knew the devestating capabilities of the original Death Star, so the prospect of a second basically leaves them no choice but to try and take it out. Plus, if the Empire were to build something new, the rebels would have no idea of it's capabilities and would not be afraid of it, and thus would not rush to destory it. The point of building a second Death Star was basically just bait to lead the whole of the Rebellion into the well laid trap of the Emperor. And it almost worked...however, they weren't counting on the rebels being aided by hundreds of little furry jungle fighters.

And to add my 2 cents about some of the other ROTJ "flaws"...

1. Stormtroopers being "elite" but being defeated by Ewoks?
When were they elite? They ran in fear of Han Solo in ANH, why?? He just ran screaming at them and they fled! And about them being clones? If that where really true in the original concept of the Star Wars universe then how is it possible for the Emperor to have an "entire legion of his best troops"? If they're all clones, then there's no such thing as "best troops"! Just another example of Lucas trying to cover his ass.

2. Empire underestimaing the Rebellion.
That's obvious. "Your overconfidence is your weakness" "Your faith in your friends is yours!" Luke (and even the Emperor) knew that the Emperor was over confident. (well the Emperor thought he was very confident, but not over confiedent). He even refers to the rebels on the Sanctuary Moon as being a "pitiful little band". How was he to know that with the aid of the Ewoks (who I have always liked, I might add) that they would be become a formidable force?

3. The Empire surrenduring after the Death Star is destroyed.
The Death Star wasn't the only thing destroyed. Star Destroyers, TIE fighters, "an entire legion of the Emperor's best troops", plus the Empire's flag ship, the Super Star Destroyer. Not to mention the death of every major officer in the army (who were either on the Super Star Destroyer, Death Star or one of the many Star Destroyers), PLUS the death of the Darth Vader, second in command of the Empire, PLUS the EMPEROR, the figurehead and dictator of the Empire itself! I'd say they took a pretty big blow, wouldn't you say? One they wouldn't be able to recover from, you think? Plus, the Rebellion had some pretty strong support. That's why they had the best fighter ships in the galaxy being made exclusively for them (the X-wings and A-wings). Once the bulk of the Imperial army was wiped out, it wouldn't have taken much to overthrow the Empire.

I've always found it very difficult to say which is better of the 3. Ever since I was a kid, I've liked ROTJ the best, but that's only because of the speederbikes. I LOVED those bikes. Now that I'm older, I think I can honestly say it's a tie between all 3. I like each for differant reasons. Honestly. I don't think any of the 3 is "weaker" or "stronger" than the other. Each has strong and weak points, to be sure, but that doesn't make one better than the other. ANH was the intoduction that blew all our minds. ESB was emotionally heavy. ROTJ was big on action. They're all amazing, in my opinion.

Don't listen to Jimbo. He's like, 16 and doesn't know what he's talking about. He also thinks that Attack of the Clones is "by far" the best Star Wars movie... *rolls eyes*

And in response to something someone said above earlier...
Although I've never cried when Vader saves Luke (it is a powerful scene tho), I have cried when that one Ewok dies from the laser blast and the other tries to wake him up. (Come on! Haven't we all?? It's SO sad! The poor little guy!)
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#48889
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Star Wars Trivia
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Allow me to say that I think it's a little unfair to ask questions that it is impossible to know the answer just by watching the movies. You either have to read some obscure card, or researched it on some webpage where most of the stuff was simply made up years (sometimes decades) after the movie was released...

However, I believe the answer you are looking for is "B'omarr Monk"