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#949786
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An inclusive universe and a new generation of fans.
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SilverWook said:

Hasbro seemed to think girls would want to play Barbie with Padme though. They made 12 inch versions of just about every outfit she wore in the prequels.

I do remember there was at least this Padmè figure with blasters as in the movie. I guess Hasbro made different lines for different targets.

Anchorhead said:

SilverWook said:
Now that I think about it, the original Kenner 12 inch Leia didn’t even come with a blaster, just a comb and brush!

Come on! Is that true? What a sad statement on what they thought of the girls who may have looked up to her.

It’s not like they couldn’t look up for her because she didn’t have a blaster, now :\

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#949198
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Episode II is just as extraneous to the plot of Star Wars as Episode I.
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HansiG said:

I don’t understand why you people skip these movies.

If you don’t want to watch bad movies, just don’t watch the prequels at all.

Either watch everything or screw PT entirely. The entire PT is not important to the story of OT.

Keep it all or skip it all.

Aside for the obvious known problems, TPM and AOTC have too many things I just can’t stand to watch… ROTS is not flawless at all, but even if people could disagree with me, I think it really is the best PT movie, and it’s worth watching for its dramatic plot and characters, not to mention that the Italian dub makes all the acting actually believable (this is probably true for every other dub as well). It’s a worth addition to the OT, in my eyes.

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#949194
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An inclusive universe and a new generation of fans.
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To me, movies can be as inclusive as the studios want, as long as they’re interesting, fit in their genre and the directors are free to express their personal vision. Generally, choosing the characters also depends on the movie’s genre and its main audiance (would they actually do a plain Romance film for male to be more inclusive?).
Star Wars has always tried to be “family-friendly”, so Rey being the main protagonist shouldn’t be an issue. Take Blade Runner, though, clearly inspired by classic noir hard-boiled stories, and it just wouldn’t be the same movie if, for example, Deckard weren’t male, if Rachael weren’t Deckard’s damsell in distress, or if he didn’t kill Zhora and Priss with no mercy: nowdays, Scott would’ve probably been accused of being misogynist, and maybe WB would’ve deemed his movie too risky to be screened or even produced!
So being inclusive is not necessarily better for movies.

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#949189
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Episode II is just as extraneous to the plot of Star Wars as Episode I.
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I think the creation of the clone army and the beginning of the Clone Wars are important (unless the PT doesn’t count in your canon). That said, it could probably be skipped for the Machete Order, definitely fixing Anakin’s relationship with Padmè, Jango being the “genetic template” and Jar-jar’s speech in the Senate.
Honestly, I myself skip both TPM and AOTC if I can’t rely on fanedits (for example when I watch the Star Wars films with my parents, who don’t understand English, so we have to use the original Italian versions).

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#944013
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What is wrong with... <strong>Attack of the Clones</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Ryan McAvoy said:

I know there’s a good editor in him, he’s only forgotten. The prequels haven’t driven it from him fully.

He’s more a Binks now than man, twisted and Ewok.
But really, I remember watching this Kershner interview, and I think he got right Lucas’s skills (he was his teacher, after all 😄 ).

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#943693
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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TV’s Frink said:

Scott109 said:

I am fine with the ST mirroring the OT. However, I hated the idea of a third Death Star. Vader said that the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force, and the first two Death Stars enabled the Empire’s destruction. Thus, it is illogical for the First Order to build another Death Star.

Additionally, The Force Awakens should not have ever used Kylo Ren as a vehicle for comic relief. His temper tantrums with his lightsaber diminished his stature as a villain. Kylo Ren should have defeated Rey in the lightsaber duel. Rey should have barely survived. The hero should always lose to the villain during their first encounter with one another.

Here is a video detailing more of the film’s flaws:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6_zvQQ5P8w

SO YOU ARE SAYING LUCAS WOULD HAVE DONE ALL THIS QUESTION MARK

OR PERHAPS YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A DIFFERENT THREAD

THE PREQUEL FILM LOVER THREAD MAYBE QUESTION MARK

😄 On this forum, recognizing TFA has flaws necessarily means being a PT lover, for some reason.

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#943335
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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HansiG said:

The major difference between the prequels ripping off OT and TFA ripping off OT is that TFA was a good movie.

Tyrphanax said:

Who even cares, it was a good movie.

Dialogues and acting were indeed better than in the PT, absolutely no doubt about it.

TV’s Frink said:

John Doom said:

Whatever, you’re both completely ignoring my point here and even contradicting yourself

BOTH WHO QUESTION MARK

I’m sorry, did I make a grammar mistake?

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#943304
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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There are plenty of stories that predate STAR WARS that have a main character captured and then interrogated/tortured by the main bad guy in his lair.

True, but no other story besides TFA and ANH itself shares the same settings and plot points here.
You said Anakin loosing his hand mirrors the OT, but this plot point itself is not entire new as well. Was it borrowed? Yep, and you said it yourself. So if you say this is borrowing, than Rey/Leia’s capture is borrowing as well.

Also lets not forget that Leia was interrogated about the location of the Rebel base whereas Rey and Poe were interrogated about the map to Skywalker.

They were both interrogated on the hidden data that drove the main plot, it’s the same plot point. Is it actually slightly different? Yes, and so it was for example Anakin’s defeat in AOTC from Luke’s defeat in TESB, but nevertheless it borrowed from a previous SW movie.

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#943300
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
Poe giving the data to bb8 and being captured, as well as Rey being brought to SKB and being interrogated while the other main characters get into the prison to save her, they both clearly borrow from Leia in ANH, that was my point. Their scenes (visual references aside) play differently, yet share the same plot points, so it’s still “borrowing” as J.J. said.

Well unless SW was the first movie to have a character be captured only to be rescued by the other characters I wouldn’t really call it mirroring at all 😄

It’s a very basic plot point that existed long before STAR WARS even came out. And not only in film but in book as well.

Right, lots of movies have a main character taken by a dark jedi to the stormtroopers’ space station (capable of destroying entire worlds), interrogated by the main villain on the data they’re looking for (which are hidden inside her own droid) : /
If these plot points are not borrowed from earlier SW films (ANH in particular here), then neither are those you pointed out in the PT (like Luke/Anakin fighting Vader/Dooku and loosing his hand), or is it? And yet, they were “borrowed”.

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#943183
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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I agree Anakin’s character should’ve been written better, especially in AOTC. He didn’t have to be like Luke, and him being conflicted and loosing his control was kind of necessary to explain why he did turn evil in the end, but as a more compelling good character, he could’ve been a definitely better main character and his mirroring would’ve worked better as well.

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#943166
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If George Had Made The Sequel Trilogy...
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Lord Haseo said:

John Doom said:
I see what he means. It makes sense for the audiance, but otherwise there’s no in-universe explaination (which I dislike).

There wasn’t any in the PT. As in it being specifically stated that history is bound to repeat itself.

What I mean is I think in the big picture there’s artistically a lot of difference between making a point on two different main characters (revealing why in-universe Vader had a robotic hand like Luke in ROTJ, why they’re supposed to be alike) by only mirroring Luke’s major plot points and loosely (is trained to become a jedi, destroys a space ship, loses his hand, confronts Palpatine), and mirroring (actually “borrowing”, as J.J. said) to make the movie more familiar to the audiance. To me it just doesn’t work in the big picture, it’s a decision that lacks any sort of artistic vision, doesn’t add anything to the plot or the characters, it feels like borrowing just for the sake of it.

I wouldn’t say 50/50 in Rey’s case but I could say that for Poe. The only thing the two have in common is that they both resist the torture/interrogation of our main baddie. But how they were captured, when they were captured and interrogated, what they were interrogated for and how they escaped were totally different.

Poe giving the data to bb8 and being captured, as well as Rey being brought to SKB and being interrogated while the other main characters get into the prison to save her, they both clearly borrow from Leia in ANH, that was my point. Their scenes (visual references aside) play differently, yet share the same plot points, so it’s still “borrowing” as J.J. said.