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#605127
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Star Wars - Episode VII - FACTS IN TOP POST
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Hi, this is my fan video of the Ep7's openning crawl (in spanish):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHu6tsCi1Pw

One direct traduction could be:

Star Wars Episode VII COST OF THE LIBERTY

 

The Emperor has fallen but the Empire has not been defeated. For the purpose of to avoid internal betrayals, a GOVERNING COUNCIL was created to maintain the order until the election of the new emperor.

Both, thousands of systems have helped the Rebel Alliance facing the oppression of the Empire. More powerful than ever, the Rebel Alliance has settled on Yavin to manage their own government: THE NEW REPUBLIC.

A new fight begins. Therein, both sides clash in ruthless battles which increase day after day at every corner of the divided galaxy....

Regards!

 

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#597669
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Prequel Rewriters - Questions to think about
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Here some ideas for re-edit (not re-write) the Prequels. I hope that this points solved some of the questions of the main message:

 

* At Ep1, Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are both Jedi Knights and friends (not Master and Padawan). Both have been trained by Yoda.

* Not remove Jar-Jar Binks, but edit about 50% of his dialogues. Removed some scenes of the Gungan Battle.

* Maul is presented by Sidious as "Darth Vader" (that meaning "Emperor's Right Hand"). In some moment, we discover that Maul was a Jedi Apprentice that became to the Dark Side.

* Remove the scene of Anakin testing the Podracer. When Qui-Gon says: "I didn't actually come here to free slaves", the scene passes to Qui-Gon and Anakin watching the stars.

* When the droid army is destroyed, Maul (a.k.a. Vader) escapes. Qui-Gon is killed by Maul, but Obi-Wan not kills Maul.

* At Ep2, Dooku is replaced by Tarkin. The Clone Wars are the same, with no changes (only Dooku by Tarkin). Tarkin is allied with Palpatine all the time, but we only know this at the end of the Ep3: when Palpatine and Tarkin apparently sign the end of the clone war and the rise of the Empire, with Palpatine as the Emperor and Tarkin as the Main Governor.

* In Tatooine, when R2 reports the Obi-Wan's message from Geonosis, Anakin says to the Lars family: "Now the galaxy needs me. Maybe we can stop a war". And Ower says: "Don't go Anakin, forget that idealistic crusade. You have a home here". But Anakin will go.

* At the end of Ep2, Maul (a.k.a. Vader) returns and fights with Yoda at the end of the movie, and escapes too.

* Removed General Grievous and Anakin's Dream. Anakin goes to the Dark Side by lust of power (for example, command all the Republic Fleet) and by the wish of training his son in the Force ways (that is forbidden by the Jedi Council, like the marriage)

* At Ep3, Palpatine seduces Anakin and ask to fill the position of Maul. In this point, Anakin's intentions are not clear: Anakin saves Palpatine from the Jedi Council, but not joins him.

* Maul (a.k.a. Vader) leads the Clone Army in the Jedi Temple Battle, to destroy the Jedi Knights. Anakin and Obi-Wan go to fight him, apparently to save the Jedi, but Anakin starts to use the anger to fight Maul. In this point, Anakin is removed from Obi-Wan, in the face of Obi-Wan's wishes to stop the Anakin's anger.

* In the duel, Maul (a.k.a. Vader) apparently defeats Anakin, but the resolution of the duel is not seen. We only see Obi-Wan regretting what happened, and fleeing with Padme.

At Ep5, we discover that Anakin defeated Maul and he converts in Darth Vader or the Emperor's Right Hand.

 

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#593083
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A Post-ROTJ Trilogy: What's To Come for the Big Three, And More
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This is mi idea for the Third Trilogy:

With the Third Star Wars Trilogy ( or currently Episodes VII - VIII - IX ), the idea is similar to the Nolan's Batman: to take some of the best ideas from the comics and novels of the Expanded Universe to create a believable, coherent and cohesive story, more dark than the other six episodes, and to end the Star Wars story, starting from the end of the Return of the Jedi. Also, to take up the idea of Lucas of a more "philosophical" trilogy, showing the climax of the war. So, Star Wars would cease to be the story of Anakin to be the story of the Skywalker Saga, making clear their destiny at the Episode IX.

We return to see the big ones: Mark Hamill, Carrie Fisher and Harrison Ford at the role of Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa and Han Solo, respectively. However, there are things that have changed from the Expanded Universe: Princess Leia married with Han, but isn't a Luke's apprentice (she has a blue lightsaber as a Luke gift, but don't uses it, and don't uses the Force). Han and Leia only have one 5-10 year-old girl called Jina (probably in honor to Jaina), who is not directly involved in the plot (there is not Jacen or Anakin Solo). Luke hasn't been married (there is no Mara Jade), and hasn't created a Jedi Academy. The training site is Dagobah (where he trained), and hasn't dozens of Jedi apprentices, only two apprentices: one of 30-year (Heath Ledger would have liked to play the role) and one of 20-year, none of them are his sons. Then, Leia has focused on follow the Skywalker family and Luke the Force ways. We see other characters as Chewbacca, Lando or Wedge, and take a new one: Kyle Katarn (but not as a Jedi Knight), and the classic droids C-3PO and R2-D2, the only ones that appear in the nine parts.

Furthermore, Darth Vader and the Emperor have died but the Empire hasn't been defeated. The Alliance creates his own government on the planet Yavin: the New Republic. With a number of planets and large enough allies are ready to retake Coruscant. We can see reviews and cameos in several comics and novels. There is one very specific to the X-Wing series and the recapture of Coruscant. Also, the main antagonist, an Imperial General, is clearly a character inspired on the Admiral Thrawn, but no connection to the Force and with a different ending (as it is confirmed that the General is the main villain of the three films).

Therefore, Episode VII would focus on events near the era of the New Republic. We see how the empire was organized and how they Grand Moffs plan to destroy each other to take the throne of Emperor. The General knows it and allows the Alliance regains Coruscant, with serious difficulties. The victory of the Alliance will allow the New Republic to rise, but with a high cost.

For the Episode VIII could have a closer connection to the era of the New Jedi Order, but replacing the Yuzzhan Vong by the Imperial Fleet and the criminal alliances: bounty hunters and criminals, organized crime leaders, revenge Hutt Clan, practically most of the slag will ally with the Imperial Fleet to destroy several of the Republic worlds (similar to what the Vong). There will be villains everywhere, in the absence of a Sith Lord. There will also be an event taken directly from one of the books of the New Jedi Order. The film promises one of the best early and late in the series, as well as a development eccentric, full of terror and disorder. Moreover, both are promised trilogies connections (eg Luke visits the Jedi Temple), and a direct connection with the Sith War (all one long scene devoted to this).

Finally, the Episode IX will be the final climax, almost 2/4 of the story will take the final fight. And we know the destination and the final resolution of the main characters, Luke, Leia and Han, and discover the Skywalker destiny.

I have drafts but I'm working on developing more scenes and dialogues. Probably when I have been completed, i will expose here.

 

 

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#586532
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How would YOU re-do the prequels?
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I'll take some licenses in my post inside this topic.

I would rewrite the third episode (sixth chronologically) of the original trilogy. In this rewrite, the title would be changed to the original: Revenge of the Jedi.

The first scene would undertake with the Emperor coming to the Imperial capital in Had Abaddon (a.k.a. Coruscant), where two new Death Stars would be in construction. The emperor would meet Vader to prepare the final climax. The most of the Imperial Army and Fleet, together with the two new Death Stars, would be in Had Abaddon.

20 or 30 years after ESB (designed so that the original actors could film the movie today), Luke Skywalker would return to Dagobah to complete the last steps in the Jedi way, but Yoda would die and this part of the learning for Luke would remain unfinished, sadly.

Also, Han Solo would be rescued by Lando and Chewbacca and joined with the Rebel Alliance, most powerful than ever. In a strategic movement, the Alliance would ask to set free the enslaved home world of Chewie, Endor. With the wookiee army in his power, the rebels will attack the Imperial City.

Han, Chewie, Princess Leia, Lando, C-3PO and R2-D2 would liberate Endor of the imperial troopers. However, at the last moment before escaping, Han would be attacked by an old enermy, who has been learned that have escaped from Jabba... Boba Fett. Boba would kill Han and would leave to collect his great reward.

This event attracts Luke to the dark side. Luke decides to liberate the most hard criminals of the imperial prisons (maybe in Tatooine or other planet. In this act, Luke confronts the villains similar to the Jabba's Palace and Sail Barge Assault scenes: confronts Rancors, etc). With this, all the criminals go to Had Abbadon too.

In the final battle, the two fleets fight hard. The Imperial Fleet decimates the Rebel Fleet. In the planet, Luke moves forward with his X-Wing, reaching Vader. The criminals attacks everywhere, destroying imperial troopers and rebel troopers. Also, the Grand Moffs see the opportunity to dethrone the Emperor and begin to destroy each other, causing serious damage to the Empire.

Luke enters into the aggressiveness and defeats Vader, but not kill him. Luke allows the officials -that Vader humbled previously- end with him. Luke now goes to the Palace, where is the Emperor. The Emperor would defeat Luke and would oblige to join him. In the rebel cruise (in the space battle), Leia would be captured. The Emperor would bring prisoner and would ask Luke to kill her.

The wookiees would take the control of a Death Star. In a tense moment between the two death stars, each shoot to destroy the other. The wookiees won and destroy the other. Then, Luke discovers that Leia is her sister, and finally don't kill her. In that moment, the shoot of the Death Star to the imperial palace interrupt the scene. The Emperor disappears in the explosion, laughing. But don't know if he has survived.

Leia would have taken a wounded Luke (similar to Luke and Vader in Return of the Jedi). The battle would stay in tables with the Fleets, but hints that could kick off a peace era. Leia returns to his people to govern their remains, and Luke, between the dark side and the good, decides to go away to think if he can overcome the dark side and continue to teach the Force or not, and Chewie returns to Endor.

The argument would leave the door open to a new trilogy, load more philosophical, where a older Luke (similar to Ben Kenobi), debates with his apprentice whether to continue teaching the Force or not. And the apprentice, now the main character (maybe Luke's son) confronts the Emperor (showing that survived).

And now, the prequels.

In the first episode, we follow Obi-Wan and Anakin (a Kenobi's apprentice) fighting in the clone wars. They are joined to a young man named Vader, who would became another Kenobi's apprentice.

In the second episode, Vader turns to the dark side, killing some of the Jedi Knights. The Emperor uses him to set up his army, and Kenobi hides from the attacks, and Anakin returns to Tatooine, with the Lars, and meets his wife. At the end, Kenobi and Anakin regroup to fight the Empire.

In the third episode, conclude the clone wars, and there is an intense struggle between Anakin and Vader, where Vader tricks Anakin with his redemption attempts. The spectator will not knows if Vader wants to surrender or is lying. Also, Vader kills Anakin apparently, but this isn't shown. Only we would see Obi-Wan sad.

Watching The Original Trilogy, we discovered that Anakin kills Vader and becomes "Darth Vader" with the black armor due to injuries that Vader caused in him.

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#586005
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Revenge of the Sith (rewrited)
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Hi! I'm doing a draft of the ROTS movie with some ideas that I took of pre-epIII discussions, and some ideas that I imagined myself. 

I speak spanish (my english is so poor), but I'm interested in the proyect, since 2008. I'm writing the draft/script in spanish, would have difficulty in that someone could translate it into English (when it be finished)?

We can discuss the topic and more new ideas here, for the moment, I present some ideas that we could see in the story.

The objective is to present the movie from another point of view, in my opinion, much more consistent with five episodes remaining. So, you see the script of the film completely different from the original at the 85-90%

To start the topic, I present some key ideas:

 

1) Ideas that have been recovered from the movie (about 10%)

— Count Dooku dies at the 1/4 part of the movie

— Battle of Coruscant is going to be at the middle of the movie, with some changes. Anakin saves Obi-Wan

— The scene where Padme reveals pregnancy is very similar

— There is still a clash between Palpatine and the Jedi Council, and then, the Anakin's conversion to a Sith apprentice

— Anakin continues to lead the attack on the Jedi Temple and the search for the younglings

— It maintains the battle of Obi-Wan and Anakin alternately with the battle of Yoda and Sidious

— Bail Organa helping Yoda to scape

— Obi-Wan going to give Luke to Owen Lars

— A battle in Kashyyyk, with Yoda on it

 

2) New Ideas (about 80%)

— There is no General Grievous. Instead, it is replaced by General Tarkin (imagining that could be interpreted by Adrien Brody) for a greater connection with ANH. Tarkin guides the Separatist army on a secret base, performs tests of the prototypes of the Death Star and confronts Obi-Wan Kenobi

— In the first 20 minutes of the film, we just follow Anakin. He has been sent to destroy a droid factory/separatist base on the miner world of Utapau (a planet completely different with respect to the movie). We can see this idea in the videogame "The new droid army"

— The other worlds involved in the story are Kashyyyk, Alderaan and Coruscant. To contrast with Endor, we see no ground on Kashyyyk, Wookiees live in the tops of giant trees, and the entire planet is covered with these trees; for Alderaan, is generally a waterworld with artificial bases and ports; and Coruscant have two new locations: the Galactic Capital and the Imperial Palace; Tatooine is the same and Dagobah is only mentioned (maintaining intrigue until ESB)

— Mustafar is changed by a volcanic moon, that can be called Sarapin. There is no separatist bases and no political interests

— There is no reference to Darth Sidious until the Palpatine's revelation. No references to Darth Plagueis (perhaps to Darth Revan). Solved the riddle of Sifo-Dyas. Solved the riddle of the Jedi do not notice the presence of Sidious in the Senate

— Palpatine's objetive is to abolish the Jedi religion substituting it for the military defense, and appoints Anakin commander of the Republic Fleet (not personal representative of the Jedi Council)

— Obi-Wan is a Jedi Council Member, a General and is privatelly involved in the origins of the Rebel Alliance (fact that will make him earn the nickname of "Ben Kenobi" by his friends Padme and Bail). Is never mentioned by name (Obi-Wan), only "Master Kenobi" or "General Kenobi". Then, Obi-Wan fights in Alderaan instead of Utapau

— Anakin wants to be a father, because he had no father. He wants to train his own son (this obsession returns in ESB), but the knows that the Council doesn't allow it. He's still the kenobi's apprentice (not a Jedi Knight) and doesn't turn to the dark side to see Padme dying in dreams

— Padme doesn't die in childbirth, but dies. Is important, otherwise it would always be haunted by Vader. It has much greater role in the foundation of the Rebel Alliance and saving Obi-Wan

— Count Dooku left the scar that we see in Anakin's head in ROTJ. Dooku will continue in the emotional aftermath of Anakin and as "inspiration" for future rebel generations

— It justifies the importance of Nute Gunray in the story. After being arrested and interrogated, the Jedi Council will discover the truth of the existence of Sidious in the Senate, and the plot focused on a conspiracy between Sidious and the Council by destroying one another

— C-3PO has a silver armor (not a golden armor) in this episode. So it is easier to deduce that between epIII and epIV they changed the armor from silver to gold (except the right leg). At some point of the story, the protocol droid serves the dark forces

— R2-D2 doesn't fly in this episode (only flies in a eccentric scene of epII). In addition, Obi-Wan has no contact at any time with C-3PO or R2-D2. 

— Chewbacca appears, but as a cameo. It will be easy to know why he becomes a contrabandist

— Yoda senses his own death (that we see in ROTJ).

— At the final scene, Obi-Wan extinguish the fire that burns Anakin by using the Force, and leave the planet quickly because he feels the arrival of Sidious. All the body is burn, except the face

— Solved the problem of Anakin's origin. The Midi-chlorians make sense as a plot to mislead the spectator

— Clonetrooper armors are white (like the Stormtrooper armors) or black for the pilots (like the TIE Fighter pilots). No coloured armors. All the Clonetroopers will be Stormtroopers, but maybe all the Stormtroopers will not be Clonetroopers

— Put into practice the idea that not only clones or droids fight on the Clone Wars. Also human pilots for Republic/Separatist battles. Some of that pilots will turn to the Rebel Alliance or to the Empire. For example, members of the Calrissian family fight in the Coruscant battle (later, we se Lando in the Endor Battle, with some experience)

— Jar-Jar Binks doesn't die and has a role similar to the epII. In fact, Binks, together with Yoda, Bail Organa and Padme, are the only ones who know the existence of 2 Skywalker... Padme dies, and Binks/Organa dies at the Alderaan blast (Adywan's SW Revisited), and Yoda reveals to Obi-Wan the secret in ESB

— It explains why the bodies of the Jedi disappear at death. We only see disappear Yoda and Obi-Wan (maybe Anakin). Both are Jedi Council members, so we can explain that only the most powerful Jedi or the Jedi Council members evaporates their bodies. Then, the members of the Jedi Council that confronts Sidious evaporates their bodies at death

— It explains why can see some Jedi spirits, like Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin. In the last scenes, Yoda (maybe Obi-Wan too) contact with the spirit of Qui-Gon Jinn, because Jinn wanted to train Anakin and is responsible for the disaster. Yoda asks if he is dead, and Jinn replies that it is the Yoda subconscious who projects his image, similar to Luke when can see or hear his masters (and not other Jedi masters)

— About the Ships: Republic Gunship appears no more (only at epII), but the design (cutting the passengers part) becomes it in a X-Wing precursor, piloted by republic pilots (later Rebel pilots); N1 Starfighter becomes in the Yellow Y-Wing that see in Clone Wars 3D, piloted by naboo pilots (later Rebel pilots); Jedi Ship converts in the V-Wing (has no astrodroid) that later will be the A-Wing (piloted by Rebel pilots who believe in the Force); The ARC 170 converts in a above-ground ship, similar to the snowspeeder; the Clone Fighter of the Clone Wars 2D appears (piloted by Clonetroopers) and later will be the B-Wing (piloted by Rebels); The Jedi Interceptor is unique (had no astrodroid) and is only the Anakin's ship, later will be the Vader's Advanced X1; and Finally, we can see the first TIE Fighters, with no changes, for the Imperial pilots

— About the Droids: A new battledroid, the cyborg droid (cortosis droid) that we can see in "The new droid army" videogame; No buzz droids, and the classic battledroids aren't stupid

— For the weapons: We see again the double lightsaber in Sidious hands, and Dooku's lightsaber will be used by Anakin in two moments

 

3) Confused Ideas (about 10%)

There are two ideas that are confused.

The first one, is the secret that Anakin is Vader and the Luke's father. Is the secret of the Saga, but seeing it in the chronological order, it's impossible to keep the secret until the epV: in epIII we se the Anakin's fall and his duel with Kenobi, and in epIV we see Vader and Kenobi speaks that was his apprentice; also, we see Luke "Skywalker" and is easy to deduce that is the Anakin's son in epIV.

However, it's possible to keep the secret that Vader is Anakin until the epIV. In the draft, I write in the last dialogue scene that Palpatine says that Skywalker has dead and the Republic with him (rise of the empire scene). But I would like to explain a final detail between Sidious and Vader, so I need Vader in the last scene. So, the spectator would believe that Anakin has just died a few minutes. And only Palpatine, Tarkin, Yoda and Kenobi knows the truth.

The second one is the "other Skywalker". It's possible to keep the secret that Leia is the other until the epVI, but I would like to explain why Leia reminds her real mother. For this, I use R2-D2. Padme has a bad feeling and thinks that she will die soon. Then, she records a message into the R2 memory explaining that perhaps can not be with their children. Bail Organa doesn't erase that message.

In the last musical scenes there is a time shift of 3 years (I only remember a time shift in TPM, in the parade, where Anakin is a padawan). Then, we see a young Leia with R2-D2 and the holographic Padme. Leia hear "children" and she will know he has a brother. Also, that could explain the affinity between Leia and R2 that we see in the first scenes of epIV: Leia chooses R2 for record his message and R2 is very devout in his mission of find Kenobi. And then, we see the family meet: Leia knows about Padme and Luke knows about Leia with the R2 messages.

So, in the first instance, I think that the secrets are revealed in the epIII draft.

Finally, I think it's necessary to explore more the good side of Anakin. In the draft, Anakin only kills one Jedi, and not kills the younglings (Clonetroopers do it when the doors are closed).

I think the draft (and later script) will be completed in the coming months. For more ideas, wishes, details, etc, the topic remains open.

I send my greetings to all!