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#62234
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Changes in 2004 DVDs
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Originally posted by: DanielB
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Heres a link They have put up a montoge of the new Boba voice. I must say listening to it makes it very unfortunite. His voice isn't bad but it lacks the coolness and the lower more sinister voice as before. Tem Morson really seems like he is just rushing through the lines. He sounded better in Attack of the Clones. They could at least get him to try to sound as angry and sinister as the original Boba (Does anyone know his name). I am totally against Lucas on this change.
You're on to something here Jimbo.
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Originally posted by: Jedi Master DJR
I disagree. We know without a shadow of a doubt Boba Fett is Jango Fett's unaltered clone. Now judging from the fact he emulates and honors his father, by wearing similar armor, flying his ship, etc.... it seems likely with a loner like Boba that the only stuff he would listen to and such would be teachings of his father. Plus the Kaminoans seemed to have made all clone voices identical at adulthood, probably to distinguish them as clones. All they did with Boba was no messing with his genetic structure and no growth acceleration. Hence the voice is the same. I also think Morrison does a fine job with the lines, as did the original voice actor. I think overall, as with the Emperor, the performance was equal and the continuity among the films is better established.
Wrong. Accents are not genetically inherited. I found out not so long ago that Western Australians have a different accent to the rest of Australia. Just a couple of months ago I was talking to a girl "you're american" I said. "No, I'm Australian!" "You're a yank, you have a thick obvious accent". Turns out she just lived in America for a few months (as in less than a year).

I myself do not have an accent at all. In my previous job one of the Indians asked me "are you Australian" "yes" "you don't have an accent". You're also forgetting a whole array of things that can happen over time to effect a person's voice. Drinking, Drugs, Tobacco, Accidents/Assault/Fights all of which I'm sure bounty hunters would be all too familiar with.



Normally, obviously, accents are not inherited. But we're talking about Star Wars, a fictional universe. One where you have a planet like say Naboo, and let's look at the accents. English theater for Governor Bibble, more American for Captain Panaka, primarily American for Queen Amidala, some Asian variant (can't quite put my finger on the country right now) for Queen Jamilla, and Hispanicly influenced English for Corde and Captain Typho. How does that make sense? Or being able to clone whole people, but not Anakin or Luke's hands for them to use? A Death Star can blow up a whole planet, jump to hyperspace like a ship, then take 30 minutes to circle a moon?
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#62099
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I know, I know. And I agree with you about Mace, you can't have crappy stand-in's for my favorite Jedi damn it! Unfortunately on that score it will probably always be there sadly, even after GL will probably replace the Epi. 1 puppet Yoda with a new CGI model.


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Originally posted by: R2
Honestly, in my opinion the changing Boba's voice is just ridiculous and overly picky on GL's part. The whole, 'so that he and Jango sound the same because Boba is a clone of Jango' thing is just dumb. Why was this such a thorn in George's side? This to me is a pointless waste of time and money. I'd much rather see deleted scenes for all of the films on the DVDs rather than have the money squandered on an insignificant voice change.


But if GL did that, what would he have to get more sales for some future HD-DVD set?
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#62091
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Originally posted by: HotRod
Continuity may now be there, but Fetts original voice is partly the reason I loved every scene he was in. Especially the Lando - Fett stare out, just after the Han torture thing. "He's no good to me dead". It's just not the same now!
You gotta understand that Empire is my fave film of all time. It's my No. 1!!

Thats why I'm going to buy the DVDs. I sound like a twat. I don't like the changes, but I'm still gonna buy the set. But I just want to see the films in the best quality I can. Thats why I bought every VHS release in this country. The next release was always better. 'Widescreen', 'Digitally Remastered', 'Digitally Remasterd with superior sound' or whatever. Now I'll see them better than ever before!
Good stuff, but I do contradict myself too much!



You have to not be so hard on yourself, it is hard to accept the changes, at the time. It is the essence of a Star Wars change, not bad, bad, good, great, but you can't have the original. It is bittersweet.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Its not that the new voice is bad. Its actually pretty good. Still the old voice just sounds more sinister and better in my opinon.



The jury is still out with me, I like the change but I am sure I will eventually develop a preference one way or the other.
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#62062
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So whats better? Phantom or Clones?
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Clone Wars was great I think because with so little time, it has to capture the most important moments. Mind you I think they had an awesome storyline with the PT to use, it still made it difficult. Especially when you hear the audio commentaries, they got just what they needed and that was it. Also with it being a new format, I think people had much lower expectations, I know I did, and yet it works. It has a real story to tell like the 5 movies without being cheesy, like Droids and Ewoks, the biggest Give Lucasfilm More Money Fest I have ever seen.
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#62032
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2004 OT DVD release continuity error?!
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Well, I suppose it is from a certain point of view of here. Because if somehow Padme could be there, what about Qui-Gon, Mace, Ki-Adi-Mundi, Kit Fisto, Plo Koon, etc........

Right now, I am thinking ROTS will show just the right explanation, of how Anakin really does a physical death, but more importantly a death of his psychology, his existance as a person at all. In other words, the change will be so complete to Darth Vader, why he doesn't then show up old will work better. And Luke will be proven right with the words, "Then my father is truly dead."
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#62021
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So whats better? Phantom or Clones?
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Originally posted by: jimbo
Attack of the Clones by far. I think The Phantom Menace is good and a bit overly critized. At least it was better then Return of the Jedi but it couldn't possibly compare with A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. Attack of the Clones was fantastic. It surpassed all my expectations. It brings story and action together better then anything else. I don't know how anyone could even consider The Phantom Menace better.


Talk to good old Roger Ebert, he thinks TPM is thumbs up (I agree), but AOTC is thumbs down (WTF?).

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#62019
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Originally posted by: R2
Ok, I haven't heard the 'new Emperor' scene dialoge, but from what I've read it doesn't sound good. I'll have to wait and see.

However, I can point out that Vader obviously knows who Luke is long before the Emperor scene. Remember he says, 'That's it. The Rebels are there. And I'm sure Skywalker is with them.' Therefore his asking the Emperor, 'How is that possible?' seems redundant. Why is he asking about something that he already knows the answer to? This seem to fall into the area of godd idea but bad execution. This doesn't seem like it was thought out properly.


Well, Vader seems to be schemening more now. In the original version, he already downplays Luke by saying "Obi-Wan can no longer help him." Also he saves Luke's butt by saving, "If he could be turned, he could be a powerful ally." Considering the Emperor wanted him dead up to that point, before Vader mentioned turning him, I would say the line simply enhances the general sense of that scene. Also, there was a user on MF.com that had the excellent idea, perhaps Skywalker is a Star Wars name like Antilles. Maybe Skywalker is really like another Smith name or something. That might explain the futher emphasis as the offspring of Anakin Skywalker.

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Originally posted by: eros
I just can't understand why GL has decided to blow the lid on what the Emporer and Jabba look like so early on in the story line. That would have been half of the mystery for future generations to finally see in episode 6. It doesn't bode so well as to how he's going to reveal who Sidious really is in Episode 3. No disrespect to anyone but I reckon GL must think that the Star Wars movie going population is as stupid as the corporate hollywood fuck-heads he comes into contact with on a regular basis.
(Shades of Harry Potter's Philosopher having to be renamed to sorcerer spring to mind)

Ah well, I suppose we all have the power to edit our own versions nowadays and to hell with GL's stupid decisions.



As for the Emperor, I would say that is inevitable. I mean with ANH and ESB, GL had the luxury of playing him to the side, but in the prequal trilogy when you have to show his ascent to power and destruction of the Jedi Order, that I can understand, his being revealed. As for Jabba, I "once thought as you do." However I recently looked at it from a new angle. Originally Jabba is mentioned in ANH, ESB, then revealed in ROTJ. Now with in TPM and ANH, it creates an interesting difference. The first is Jabba seems more menacing, he's described along with the other Hutts as a "gangster", we learn its not he is on Tatooine but controls it, and the mere mention of Hutts getting involved practically shuts up Watto about the deal with Ani, out of fear and resignation I would say. Then there is ANH. Han shoots first and then cowardly leaves Tatooine and Jabba. Why do I say cowardly? Because remember the first line he says to Greedo? "I was just on my way to see your boss." Not only did Han not do that originally, he admits in that sentence he COULD honestly go to Jabba, then later he doesn't. The next scene he's prepping the Falcon to leave. Now in the SE and DVD, while Greedo shoots first and Han is a nicer guy, he's also got equal or more balls. Why? Not only does he see Jabba, he purposefully steps on Jabba's tail (ruler of planet if seeing PT) AND negoiates the % he owns him down. If you watched the prequals first also, with Boba Fett standing right there to easily shoot him if needed! So I think the introduction justifies it there, personally to me.

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Originally posted by: jimbo
Heres a link They have put up a montoge of the new Boba voice. I must say listening to it makes it very unfortunite. His voice isn't bad but it lacks the coolness and the lower more sinister voice as before. Tem Morson really seems like he is just rushing through the lines. He sounded better in Attack of the Clones. They could at least get him to try to sound as angry and sinister as the original Boba (Does anyone know his name). I am totally against Lucas on this change.


I disagree. We know without a shadow of a doubt Boba Fett is Jango Fett's unaltered clone. Now judging from the fact he emulates and honors his father, by wearing similar armor, flying his ship, etc.... it seems likely with a loner like Boba that the only stuff he would listen to and such would be teachings of his father. Plus the Kaminoans seemed to have made all clone voices identical at adulthood, probably to distinguish them as clones. All they did with Boba was no messing with his genetic structure and no growth acceleration. Hence the voice is the same. I also think Morrison does a fine job with the lines, as did the original voice actor. I think overall, as with the Emperor, the performance was equal and the continuity among the films is better established.


And so ends the DJR Opinions for this Post.
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#61998
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So whats better? Phantom or Clones?
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I really can't pick a favorite, I like them both very much. I mean, PM you have a great introduction, an nice expanded explanation of the Force, how do you connect to it? How did the old Jedi get apprentices? They invented the best word Padawan, everyone SW fans says it and you know it. So many awesome characters introduced and the story arcs of Obi and Anakin begin. With Clones you really get into the Clone Wars, why Yoda said of Anakin, "Powerful Jedi was he", great stuff with Obi-Wan, a nice explanation with Shmi, the Lars, and Anakin's first true fall to the darkside. Round that out with Qui-Gon's voice, Jango Fett and Boba Fett's introduction (awesome), Count Dooku and the curved blade (equally awesome to Maul's double blade), I honestly can't make up my mind. I'll just say they're both great, completely worthy of the Star Wars name and I never watch the Classic Trilogy (OT or SE so far) with watching TPM and AOTC first.


And that's my two cents on the issue.
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#61954
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To Klingon_Jedi and a little as well to Hal 9000, I first do not agree that the original scene was "we can barely make him out" at all. I can see the face of the original Emperor very easily, right down to his right eye that's at least a fourth bigger then his left (or it might be vice versa). And his voice also, is simply not the same. As the new scene stands, I contend that

A. This new scene with the Emperor has the fully revealed face, like the original, that looks much closer to ROTJ Emperor.
B. Same voice, instead of different.
C. The dialogue is not more revealing, in my opinion. If someone is watching the Classic Trilogy for the first time before the Prequal Trilogy on the DVD here, the line could very easily be seen from the point of view of you would get from Obi in the hovel. My guess would be the line with Vader would thought of like, "How is that possible?".........I killed him years ago........you see what I mean?
D. For those who say, well he was obsessed with Skywalker, so why does he ask. There is C. and also maybe Vader thinks this is the son of another Skywalker, not Anakin but maybe his brother or something. Possibly it's Anakin's nephew or something like that. Another possibilty is he is lying. Or if you watch the prequals first and don't know Anakin is Vader, maybe Vader asked it because Jedi are not supposed to have children.

To Luke Skywalker, I would say it is dependent upon how much Obi-Wan is focusing to show his identity to Luke. When he is talking like a person, he looks more real. However when he wants simply to be seen only, you can see more of the force in him. Assuming he wants to be seen, considering he only talks at first in Yoda' Hut after his reveal physically on Hoth. Also I think this explanation is needed for the OT as well, he looks less blue in shots when he is talking and his blueness varies just in general between ESB and ROTJ.

To bad_karma24, I would say that both the old and new Emperor scenes have Emperor's who move very little, they are both pretty stationary. The biggest difference to me was the fact that the old Emperor seems to be blinking more.

And those are the DJR Opinions for this Post.


Edit: Forgot to say to HotRod, I share your feelings, I can't wait either. I am downloading the rips right now to hold me over until the DVD's are on sell.
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#61950
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2004 OT DVD release continuity error?!
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No Shaw is dead and I really don't see how being if alive around 80 or 90 he could play a 20 year old Anakin, but I am guessing you were thinking along different lines.


But no I think there is a point to putting Hayden in there, it's just in doing that the 3 Jedi's are not the same age anymore. It's just the "definitive" way to look at the scene if you buy the "no democracy" line or the way I look at it, it is an equal but different view of the end of ROTJ, different from the OT or SE.