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#1293060
Topic
TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Cheers: numerous soundtrack substitutions for the DVD releases.

Dawson’s Creek: as above.

Charmed: the Netflix version contains numerous soundtrack substitutions.

Sabrina the Teenage Witch: severe edits to the DVD versions to remove music, including footage with guests stars.

Roswell: much of the soundtrack has been substituted throughout the DVD releases, along with the Hulu versions also.

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#1293052
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Request: AVATAR (2009) - Cinemascope Aspect Ratio
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tachikoma said:

Hi, I’m a big fan of James Cameron and find it quite shocking that there’s no copy available of the THEATRICAL CUT of AVATAR as it was shown in 2D cinemas in its original CINEMASCOPE 2.39 aspect ratio. Specially given that Cameron himself has said multiple times that it is how it was originally framed and his preferred aspect ratio for 2D screening (and frankly, much superior and cinematic).

Snip…

tachikoma said:
Given that 10 years have passed since the movie opened and there are still no plans for a cinemascope release, it’s up to us to preserve AVATAR as it was originally intended.

Are you referring to the 3D version, rather than the 2D release? Here’s a 2010 interview with Collider where Cameron confirms that the 16:9 aspect ratio is his preferred format of presentation for the 2D release:

http://collider.com/james-cameron-interview-avatar-blu-ray-also-talks-titanic-3d-and-avatar-2/

What do you think the best format is to view this film in?

Cameron: The film was released in two formats. We released it in 16×9 and cinemascope aspect ratio. Obviously, the 35 mm prints were all in the scope ratio and with the IMAX stuff, we tried to take advantage of the height. The highest and best format for this movie is the 16×9, which plays beautifully. We finished the picture in 16×9 and then we vertically extracted the cinemascope when we were mastering the film for theatrical release.

In the theatrical release of the movie, it played in 3-D in non-IMAX digital theaters in both formats. We did that by selecting whichever theater was going to look best in which format. But, for the home, we wanted to go with the full picture. I really think it helps, with the sense of vertigo underneath the flying creatures, to have that little bit of extra frame down there, when they’re looking down over cliffs. It enhances the sense of height.

Even though I love the cinemascope ratio compositionally, I actually found myself falling in love with the movie in 16×9, as we went along, and I prefer to watch it in that. Everyone thought the best viewing conditions for the movie were in 3-D, but in 3-D what we struggled with was the light levels. We struggled to get the light levels up, in the theaters. You get such a bright, crisp, dynamic picture on the DVD and Blu-ray. Something actually comes back to the viewing experience that you don’t get in the theaters, with the colors and the strength of the contrast.

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#1292702
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Wow, it seems that almost nothing is untouched.

Tales from the Darkside:

The DVD release contains an altered soundtrack without the original music score. Episodes released on VHS during the 1980s do contain the original music score throughout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Darkside#DVD_releases

Horror (UK) aired the entire run and I was initially planning to record the whole lot but I had nothing to compare the broadcasts with to confirm that they contained the original music score.

The Curse of Steptoe: increasingly censored during re-broadcasts after complaints from the brother-in-law of Harry H. Corbett regarding the portrayal of Corbett’s second wife, with these cuts carrying over to the DVD - which was subsequently pulled from sale by the BBC.

Peaky Blinders: soundtrack substitutions on the US Netflix versions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PeakyBlinders/comments/80wswh/is_the_netflix_version_without_the_soundtrack_as/

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#1292659
Topic
TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Some further examples…

The George Lopez Show: replaced theme tune.

Sabrina The Teenage Witch: large scale soundtrack substitutions.

The Wonder Years: 15 songs uncleared throughout the entire series.

Waterloo Road: large scale soundtrack substitutions, resulting in the removal of entire scenes.

Skins: numerous tracks replaced.

In Living Color: significant re-edits to remove music content.

21 Jump Street: large scale sound track substitutions with library music.

Red Dwarf episode Terrorform: removal of Copacabana from home video releases and subsequent broadcasts.

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#1292563
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Firecracker00 said:

Good idea, never thought about torrents.

You don’t happen to know if there are any uncut OFAHs episodes that have been uploaded via torrent do you?. To be honest I couldn’t imagine many would. As I said previously, a good way of sourcing them (though probably pot luck) would be via ebay and the like from pre-used tapes that have TV recordings of them. But what are the chances that someone would have an uncut recording of one of the early episodes (complete)?. Maybe an ep from the later series say from the late 80s/early 90s onwards. There is supposed to be an Only Fools and Horses uncut facebook group, but it appears to be a closed group. It claims they have lots of uncut, unaltered recordings of the episodes; whether that’s true I don’t know.

There’s 39GB worth of episodes on MySpleen but even that is incomplete.

Keeping in adherence with the rules here, I suggest that if you search Google using the term “only fools and horses uncut torrent”, you’ll find leads to what you’re looking for. 😉

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#1292493
Topic
TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Firecracker00 said:

I suppose expiration of the music in the Open All Hours ep does make more sense. Still, it is sad they do this, and I’m sure they could retain it if they paid it, but they want to.

They have to justify the cost and if the licence is considered unduly expensive, it cannot be justified and so the music will be substituted with a cheaper alternative or even removed and the scene left without music - as happened with an episode of Bad Girls, where the characters are seen dancing to a track that is no longer present. 😄

Firecracker00 said:

Speaking of Heartbeat again, but when the latter series was shown on repeat viewings on itv3, I believe they changed some of the music there as well, not necessarily Beatles music as such but just a random 60s song. So even on repeat showings on an ITV channel you still can’t watch it as it was originally shown. Why have the rights for music when first broadcast, yet change the music on repeated showings on what is essentially the same channel?. Unless, as suggested above, it is because the licence has expired?. If music rights was such an issue, particularly with a show like Heartbeat, I’m surprised there was any original music left intact.

The licence(s) were very likely negotiated for the immediate broadcast run and then would need to be renegotiated for rebroadcasts and home video. When many of the licences were arranged for older content, home video hadn’t been factored into the equation. Also, some record companies, executives and artists are easier to negotiate with than others. Don Henley and Eric Clapton allowed their songs to be used for free on an independently made documentary because the film-makers couldn’t hope to afford the licence fees and they’d sympathised with their goal. However, that incident is an exception rather than the norm and almost certainly would not occur with a TV series that was produced by a major organsiation.

Firecracker00 said:

I would love to convert the episodes I have convert them to digital for archive, but if put on the internet they’ll just be removed. I’ve seen dozens of shows uploaded to youtube, yet neither the copyright holder nor YouTube seem to have an issue. It seems to me that it’s only certain shows which people regarded as popular (ie Fools and Horses) - and influential? they are so keen on altering. I’ve seen plenty of Heartbeat eps on YT, lots of Open All Hours, Summer Wine, Red Dwarf, etc which they don’t seem bothered about, yet try uploading an ep of OFAH in full and it’s promptly removed.

Share them via a torrent. Much better. 😉

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#1292437
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Amadeus VHS Release (Any Interest?)
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EyeShotFirst said:

I don’t know what the interest in such a thing would be, as there are better releases available and I don’t know if it’s 100% the theatrical cut. It runs 158 minutes where the theatrical is 161 minutes.

Is it a PAL tape? That could be the explanation, the speed up issue would cause the film to have a shorter running time.

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#1292411
Topic
TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Firecracker00 said:

I’ve just checked out the Open All Hours ep mentioned where its said a scene of Granville dancing to Singing in the Rain has been removed. The one on Youtube I found shows this very scene (title “The New Suit”). Why they would leave this scene intact on early DVD releases, but cut it on later versions I don’t know. It’s a very memorable scene so it’s a ridiculous they cut this because of a bit of music. This rights issues stuff is becoming a joke. If you think the BBC are bad then try YouTube for their censorship.

I doubt that it’s censorship by the BBC. This is very likely a case of a licence expiring and they were unable to reach a financially viable agreement with the copyright holders for it to remain on subsequent releases.

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#1292405
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Firecracker00 said:

Glad you mentioned Heartbeat. Used to be glued to that show. My dad and I used to be big fans of it, so we had recorded a lot of early (mostly original) showings of it on ITV. I’d say I have about 90% of the episodes on tape, the majority of them when they were originally aired, though there are some from the first and second series that are second showings, but thankfully they are uncut for content and no music has been changed. There are also one or two separate recordings from these series that were recording from UKGold, but i think they cut the violent bits out due to being shown in the afternoon. From series 3 onwards almost every episode I have was taped when first aired (adverts not recorded apart from the odd one), with the original music (Beatles originals incl). Speaking of Beatles music, but I wondered if music rights was the reason why the used Joe Cocker’s version of “Let it Be” at the end of the do were Dr Ferrenby dies?. Btw, this was used in the original broadcast, so mayve just been down to suitability rather than rights issues.

Shame the DVD versions have had their music altered. Not sure if this is correct, but I think they changed the music in the series 5 ep where the two girls crash their MG and Nick and Maggie rush over to see the BeRo Man. The music they used was “Like a Rolling Stone” by Bob Dylan, and I thought that song really suited the scene perfectly. When I came across a clip of it online the music was completely different.

This is why these days, my philosophy is to record anything of interest during the first run - because that might be the only run! Or subsequent airings could fall afoul of music rights licencing or other issues. A classic example is Coast to Coast: a 1987 BBC film that has never been repeated and has never received any kind of home video release and according to the production company and co-star Lenny Henry, it never will because the cost of negotiating a licence with Motown for the soundtrack would be prohibitive.

On subject of UKGold, its sister channel Drama now airs early Eastenders episodes but often cut for language - which is strange because it was acceptable to broadcast those same episodes on Sunday afternoons for the omnibus slot during the 80s! Regarding Heartbeat, it’s now airing daily on ITV3 and from what I can gather, with the original soundtrack. I’d love to block record and preserve the entire lot but it would involve a phenomenal amount of work due to the volume of episodes!

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#1292317
Topic
Last movie seen
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Terminator Genisys: I’d read the bad reviews and seen the Honest Trailer but it came on TV last night and I decided to see for myself how bad it was and if anything, the reviews were far too generous.

It recycles the best moments from the first two films but with third rate execution. At one stage, I found myself thinking, “Familiar. Don’t you have anything new?” and there was very little of merit that was new. Every action film cliche was thrown into a storyline and script that should never have seen the light of day: along with T3 and Salvation for that matter. Schwarzenegger seemed to be in it for the money and nothing else. Jai Courtney was dreadful but the material he had to work with didn’t help.

1.5 out of 10.

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#1292303
Topic
TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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I foresee that this will become an extensive thread. 😃

Judging Amy: of the DVDs that have been released, numerous alterations have been made to the soundtrack.

Heartbeat: the soundtrack which includes songs by the Beatles and countless other artists who had 60s hits has been altered for the DVD releases.

The UK R2 DVD for season two of Frasier completely removes the scene where Great Balls of Fire is played on the piano. It is uncut on the US R1.

Married… With Children: Sinatra’s “Love and Marriage” was replaced with an instrumental version on the season three DVD.

Quantum Leap: the DVDs contain numerous replacements to the soundtrack.

Northern Exposure: as above.

American Dreams: according to the executive producer, 20% of the original soundtrack has been replaced for the DVD with songs that were cheaper to licence.

Top Gear: numerous replacements with library music.

The Take: as above.

Life on Mars (UK): substitutions of songs.

New Tricks: the song Mellow Yellow was removed from a scene in the first series.

Catherine Tate: a sketch in series one no longer works due to a soundtrack substitution.

Super Mario Brothers Super Show: substitutions of the original music for the DVD release.

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#1290605
Topic
Star Wars: SDTV & HDTV digital broadcast * database *
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Here’s ROTJ and if anyone wants the stats and caps for TFA when ITV HD next airs it, you’ll have to let me know. 😃

Interesting that the font for the translations is different from that used for ANH and appears to be identical to that of the 1983 theatrical.

(On a side note, looking at some of the images, it’s amazing the amount of problems that Lucas failed to fix - or to fix properly, in favour of focusing on indulging himself in other areas.)

Audio: English, 48.0 khz, 2 channels, AAC LC (LATM)
Audio #2: English, 48.0 khz, 1 channel, AAC LC SBR - visual impaired commentary
Compression mode: Lossy
Bit rate mode: variable
DVB Subtitles: English
Overall bit rate mode: Varible
Overall bit rate: 4,693 kbs
File size: 5.02 GB
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#1290476
Topic
Video8 release of ROTJ
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SilverWook said:

Would the masters used be different that what appeared on other formats at the time? The first full frame Laserdisc and CED releases all used the same masters, presumably VHD did the same.

That’s a good question. I’m inclined towards the likelihood that they were also produced from the same source, as a matter of corporate cost-saving. It would be nice to confirm for certain but I anticipate an arduous (and expensive) quest to track down the cassettes.

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#1290450
Topic
Video8 release of ROTJ
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Nathan Butler responded to my query:

I’ve never really delved into Video8, mainly because, to my knowledge, didn’t have Star Wars releases in the U.S. The only ones I’ve ever seen (ROTJ is the only one I’ve seen, I believe) have been from markets like the UK. I’m only now dabbling at all in pre-DVD releases from the UK. I will probably look into it at some point. You might ask on the Star Wars Home Video Facebook group. I’m sure someone there is more versed in UK releases and would be able to say for sure.

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#1290404
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Video8 release of ROTJ
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SilverWook said:

I know someone who swears The Shining came out on Video 2000. They have found it on Video 8 from Germany though.

From what I can see, it seems that Video 8 was quite well supported by Warner Bros. It received every James Bond title from Dr No to Licence to Kill. Going beyond WB, I was surprised to discover that MGM released Goldeneye in widescreen for Video 8.

oojason said:

It may be worth asking this guy to see if he knows anything about it…

Nathan Butler does some pretty insightful youtube videos on Star Wars; From the Star Wars Home Video Library Timeline 3.2: Star Wars Films & TV Series on Home Video - among them.

^ Though he seems to mainly focus on US and Japan… he may well have some knowledge on European / UK releases too?
 

He also does some fairly thorough reviews on all things Star Wars too - https://www.youtube.com/user/ChronoRadio/videos
 

I’ve posed the question to Nathan via YouTube. Let’s see what information he has about it. 😃

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#1290331
Topic
Last web series/tv show seen
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Currently working through a marathon of Peaky Blinders on BBC Four (9.5 out of 10).

This week, I finished watching the Clooney helmed adaptation of Catch-22. I haven’t read the novel but I’m aware that the series has come under fire for significant deviations and omissions from Heller’s work. Six episodes really wasn’t enough to do the characters and the extremely rich storyline justice but personally, I enjoyed it nonetheless and thought that the symbolism of the closing scene during the final episode was the perfect ending.

6.5 out of 10.

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#1290330
Topic
RAW DV VHS transfers of ISD Executor and maybe more.
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4throck said:

One interesting aspect of old NTSC sources is the wider colorspace. This was only changed in the 1990s:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTSC#Colorimetry

For example the first seasons of Star Trek DS 9 use the old colorspace. This was not corrected for DVD release, even on the PAL versions. That why the colors look so unsaturated and off. We are viewing them on sRGB / EBU displays with a smaller color space!
https://color.viewsonic.com/asset-files/images/what-is-color-gamut-3.jpg

Very interesting and that explains observations I’ve made whilst watching the current DS9 airings on the Horror Channel. 😃

digitalfreaknyc said:

Well, of course things in the UK aren’t affected by it because they’re natively at that speed. So they’re out of the equation.

Much but not all.