JF_Sanderson

joe26713 said:

JF_Sanderson said:

The local hipster video store had this around 2005, even with a homemade ad for the store at the start of the tape. It was cool. All through the 90s I heard how bad the special was, but it’s kind of innocuous and “is what it is.” Bea Arthur’s cantina song is pretty good actually.

any chance you still have this tape? doing a preservation project trying to save every version of it i can (even the odd custom versions and 8th gen VHS tapes if they present a different broadcast channel than what’s out there)

No I only rented it from there! Sorry!

I never saw much of the Clone Wars show but it was curious the writers decided to have Anakin and Tarkin together. This makes their scenes in episode iv significantly ‘juicier.’ (I can’t think of a better term.)

any EU stories that account for Tarkin knowing Vader is Ani? Either pre or post CW retcons?

digitalfreaknyc said:

JF_Sanderson said:

Why is sandstorm still b&w? Because they don’t want to (or can’t) track down uncut negative and conform it to dailies edit?

What do you mean, “still?” It’s in color on the Blu-ray.

Woopsy doopsy

Why is sandstorm still b&w? Because they don’t want to (or can’t) track down uncut negative and conform it to dailies edit?

Please explain.

Mocata said:

I’d say they definitely do, unless it’s some kind of fantasy light that doesn’t emit any heat. Baseball bat mode is just self-censorship or vfx budgetary issue.

There is always a way to explain what appears on screen, even if it’s a stupid explanation. So lightsabers are made of light rays that not only have a finite distance but also only enact their physical properties once they are impeded by significant mass. Baseball Bat Mode was perhaps a special setting Luke chose the morning before he stuck the handle into his trusty droid. Truly a creative choice for George or Luke (or the MPAA) and I’m going by what’s on screen. Awaiting the fanedit where all the thugs get SLICED!

Is it not more convenient for mods to just hit the report button? That’s what I do when I see linkfarm bots. (Never came across this thread before.)

phase3 I kept thinking about your Darth Maul edit. I really didn’t understand my own reaction. Blood spray? Blood, uh, powder? No blood at all?

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Are-lightsabers-hot/id/138722

I don’t think they are ever hot in the OT. Plus wouldn’t the hilt get too much to handle after a while, if they were?

Of course in the Phantom Menace we see lightsabers melt through a set of strong looking metal doors in the first five minutes of the movie. Compare to Luke cutting the hatch on an AT-AT, which should theoretically be sealed better than “a space door.” *

The heat has also been used to explain why lightsaber wounds aren’t horribly bloody… (Someone please tell Ponda Baba)

Remarkably, in Return of the Jedi, we see Luke’s saber acting like a baseball bat against Jabba’s thugs. Not sure if it’s hot or not.

This is not a paid ad for hotornot.com which I remember used to be a fun site around the same time Phantom Menace was released.

*Ok I guess it’s not just a space door; the room must be sealed if the Jedi are to be poisoned, but who has poison cannisters in their AC system? A system that services only one room and not the whole ship?? Do Nemoidians have a special room to murder all their guests this way? Maybe it IS just a space door. Ok ok in real life it would be a bulkhead that could seal a hull breach. Still doesn’t explain ventilation. I think it’s a space door.

I haven’t seen this movie except on DVD and blu. The bluray mix is indeed a bit gimmicky with voices moving across channels. Does the stereo mix have a lot of oomph? I remember being quite impressed by the sound mix of other Touchstone films at this time (Rocketeer and Sister Act.)

Also can you say why the commentary is in 3 channel?

I assume you’re asking this because he did Fett in the rotj radio drama right? Well Boba has no lines in Jedi, and a different actor does him in ESB.

I really like the part with him tormenting Han in Jabba’s dungeon, I wish there was something like that in the movie.

Besides the big additions to Star Wars (Jabba in Mos Eisley and Biggs on Yavin) is there a breakdown or compilation of previously unseen shots in the SE OT? I believe there are some of Jabba’s dancers and the victory celebration in ROTJ but I’m not entirely sure.

Not talking about newly filmed shots like extended stormtroopers in desert, or Wampa cave.

Darth being a real guy + Anakin stealing his identity would be a great twist. That or the other scenario (Anakin dead but Vader is the real dad with Mrs Skywalker) would make revelations in Rotj much more exciting and the prequels a LOT more surprising. And Old Ben wouldn’t have to be a damn lying liar.

Your post is full of preposterous demands for people to do work for you. It goes past naivety into rudeness. If you want to see a project like this come to fruition, “we might” need to make clean DVD rips and research upscaling methods, and proceed from there. No one is going to burden themselves with a project like this just because you commanded them to.

I wonder if at any point developing Rotj, George considered making Luke into “Luke Vader” and keeping Anakin a separate character than Darth.

When I was a kid I thought Han said “Even I get bored at sometimes.” All the insinuations in that scene totally went over my head back then.

Most impressive!

Hey all.

Is there any book, documentary or (unlikely) Dvd feature that shows how the lightsabers were animated and composited in the oot? I’m really curious what scale they were drawn, how it was photographed, colored, philosophy of motion blur, etc.

My son and I were having a conversation about Star Wars, and I said how the prequel Jedi should have had cool black suits like Luke in Rotj.

“Those prequels just made them all dress like Ben Kenobi, it’s silly.”

Then he pointed out how Anakin’s ghost was dressed like that since 1983…

EJones216 said:

EJones216 said:
“Empire” used YCMs as well, but accompanied by a substantially enhanced optical printer with, if I’m interpreting the article correctly, a new lens that finished the composite directly to 4-perf anamorphic rather than on VistaVision where it would then need to be reduction-printed.

Info comes from https://www.theasc.com/magazine/starwars

Looked at another article (Episode IV "Miniature and Mechanical Special Effects, Page 4) and realized I indeed misinterpreted this part of the “Empire” article-- the original’s opticals were also directly squeezed to 4-perf anamorphic during the composite, which is worded by its writer (John Dykstra) as making them “one dupe generation from the original photography”.

In summary the print chain could be described Negative-YCM-OCN.

Is this why Star Wars effects were deemed so crummy they were replaced by CGI? I.e. in ESB and Rotj were the effects composited in 65mm then copied to 35mm which is probably better?

Great pacing, wouldn’t know a thing is missing. Thanks for including subtitles too. This will definitely be the version for rewatching in the future.

Ok I just watched this and it had less fluff than I remember. Mostly just really tense drama. I liked it.

I watched with subtitles and I must report there was a decent amount of errors & omissions. “Move this glass” should be “smooth as glass,” “are there worlds” should be “other worlds,” etc. once or twice where words hang on the screen for a minute and we lose captions for other lines. Signium should probably be Cygnium.

This edit would be a good basis for somebody to do further revisions, such as:

• eliminating much of the meteor storm and making the damage to the Cygnus entirely caused by the destruction of the Palomino

• replacing the terrible “heroic” music during the hospital rescue since the rest of the score is wonderful

• toning down any gunplay to the minimum required for continuity

• add blood to Tony Perkins death if it won’t look fake

I do not understand the conflict between Maximilian and Dr Reinhart, or why they combined at the end, but it certainly is weird.

Well I am for one glad someone finally fix the Star War trikogy of 1996!

Anybody have this book? I pulled the trigger and it arrives next week. I don’t have any other Marvel omnibuses, and this one is 1300 pages, wondering how it may hold up? (Or weigh down??)

I never read the Thrawn novels but decided this would be a good way to get the gist of the story since I’m a comic guy. And I never had a problem with Dark Empire like some people. Pleased to hear it contains the 90s Boba Fett one shots as well. I would personally like a slim volume of just the Jabba comics too; no idea what book those are in.

Any thoughts on the Thrawn adaptation?

G&G-Fan said:

Perhaps Vader recognizes Han as the one who sent him flying in ANH?

This is made explicit in the radio adaptation, and makes you wonder why similar dialogue wasn’t implemented in the movie. You kind of forget that Vader would probably be holding an enormous grudge against Captain Solo.