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#1510578
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AOTC 35mm historical preservation (WIP) - scan complete, fully funded, entered final processing tweaking stage
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MonkeyLizard10 said:

Resilio link to the GrindyGrindhouse version of the complete reel1 (with built-in Minority Report trailer as well) put up in the donors group PM chain.

Kinda cool to see it even if it comes from such a rough bit of data! It is kinda neat. And kinda looks better, much better than expected from the rough sample source!

I guess the print has a bit more dust spots than I thought and a decent bit more white specks, otherwise it looks fantastic.

I really have no idea how close the colors, saturation and tonal curve are to correct here, probably gotta be somewhat off, won’t know until I get the print back to reference since I don’t really have any knowledge of how this scanner reacts and what sort of standard grading makes it true to print, so just guesses and only working from an 8bit ultra compressed mp4 that only had 1440 res across and since the image itself wasn’t side to side since the scan includes a lot of the perfs and borders so the actual image was built from even far less horizontal resolution than that.

That’s great to hear. Is there a thread on Wilrob’s site?

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#1495771
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Attack of the Clones 35mm - on eBay, bought - and now project thread (a WIP)
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Fang Zei said:

J0E said:

Swordless Link said:

anakinthechosenone said:

Any update on this project? Super curious!

Seconded. I donated to this one quite a bit and it’s easily the project I’m most eager to see completed due to us not yet having a non-cam version of theatrical Episode II.

Would love to hear how it’s going.

Well we kind of do, from everything I’ve been able to gather the digital theatrical version is 100% identical to the DVD/HDTV captures. The problem with that is that it was actually the least common version you’d see in theaters in 2002.

The most common versions were the IMAX cut and the 35mm theatrical cut. The only differences between the digital theatrical version and the 35mm theatrical version is a voice line when Padme falls out of the gunship, some removed speeders in the chase at the beginning, “To be angry is to be human” wasn’t in the 35mm version and Anakin’s robot hand didn’t hold Padme’s hand during their wedding.

With that being said I’d still love to see a proper 35mm scan of this film for those very minor changes alone in a relatively high quality. Unfortunately there isn’t much interest in preserving the worst Star Wars movie right now. I’m sure it’ll happen someday.

I know I’m quoting a post that’s almost two years old now, but there are a couple common misconceptions here.

I’m 99% sure that the “to be angry is to be human line” wasn’t added at all until the dvd. The only difference I remember reading about between the 35mm and digital versions while the film was still playing in theaters that summer twenty years ago (yup) was Padme taking Anakin by his robotic hand at the end. In the 35mm version it just hangs there lifeless.

That was the only noticeable difference, mind you. George probably tweaked dozens of shots in those extra few days he had to work on the digital version before sending it to the hundred or so theaters in the entire world capable of digital projection at the time.

The Imax prints would’ve been even rarer, and weren’t released until within a week or so of the dvd (which always seemed like a weird business strategy to me, but whatever).

I didn’t know that. Honestly I don’t even remember making this post lol. Again, still holding out hope someone takes this on someday.

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#1476765
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What do you think of The Prequel Trilogy? A general discussion.
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I’ve said my piece on these films elsewhere. Most recently the Sequel Trilogy thread so I’ll keep it brief.

The plot is pretty thin and the characters are a little stiff but if you turn off your brain and enjoy it for being a low brow well paced action movie Phantom Menace is alright. Honestly I think it’s better paced than Jedi.

Clones has no redeeming qualities except maybe a few good action set pieces in the first 20 minutes and the last 20 minutes. The Anakin Padme stuff just comes off as creepy and it’s painful to sit through. Obi-Wan and Anakin’s dynamic just makes me hate both characters.

Sith comes dangerously close to being a good movie, but it’s worst moments are worse than Clones. A good fan edit like Hal’s takes care of 2/3rds of the problems. Still can’t completely fix that ending or how laughably dumb Grievous was compared to the early 00’s cartoon.

Really what saves the prequels is the two TV shows around it (even though they fit together like a square block in a round hole). They just needed some better scrips for the first two and a better director of actors. Sith could do with a better edit. It’s really bizarre that’s the one Lucas hasn’t messed with much seeing as how it’d benefit the most from removing a few scenes, adding a few and shifting some things around. Clones and Sith would be much better visually with more real sets, miniatures and costumes.

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#1474790
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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NeverarGreat said:

J0E said:
I probably would’ve been fine with a fan edit of TLJ if they would’ve stuck the landing on ROS.

This is what I think is lost in the hate of the ST in general and the sentiment that they were doomed from the beginning; a good end would have forgiven all ills. Star Wars fans are indeed quick to condemn the new, but they are equally willing to contort any content to fit their canon if it takes even the smallest effort to keep with the spirit of what came before, as this community illustrates.

Pretty much a /thread

I don’t really watch any of those cringy fandom menace youtubers or whatever and I don’t interact with any Star Wars communities online other than this one. Even still I know people I play games with and saw posters around here that were almost (if not outright) rooting for the movies to fail. When TLJ came out it was like some lame “fuck you I was right” thing. Even I was pretty toxic posting around here about it.

It’s like the prequels. TPM isn’t too bad, shift some dialogue around, trim the Coruscant stuff and Jar Jar then the movie is alright (though tbh I don’t really mind the theatrical cut). Yeah Clones is pretty bad, but the two Clone Wars shows and a decent edit of Sith more than makes up for it. The prequels weren’t doomed from the start. They just needed some refinement. The sequels weren’t doomed, ROS just needed to follow up on TLJ and be a little more tight than it.

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#1474744
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Burbin said:

J0E said:

The problem is the character never had any room to grow. When the protagonist defeats the villain in the first movie, where do you go from there? In Star Wars, Luke runs away from Vader in the hanger bay. In Empire, he scores a few small hits, but gets his ass kicked, and in Jedi he matures enough to hold back his anger and not go down the same path his father did. Ray feels like her arc is a straight line.

I remember back when TFA came out, most of the criticism I’d hear going around was on how it differed from the OT, rather than how similar it was, and one of such criticisms was how it moved “the duel” forward instead of saving it for the next movies like with Luke and Vader. Another common complaint I heard was how Kylo Ren was too immature and wasn’t intimidating enough to fit the new “Vader” role, despite that clearly being a conscious choice for his character.

In that regard, I think the duel at the end of TFA is great because it didn’t just propel Rey’s character forward, but Kylo’s, and I think TLJ did a great job following that thread, showing that his defeat rocked the very foundation of his beliefs. As for Rey, the duel marks the moment she finally embraces her calling, something Luke did way earlier in ANH, and I think her journey in TLJ became more interesting for it as it wasn’t just about becoming strong enough to confront Kylo.

I mostly heard the opposite but that’s mostly because of my Dad. He would ramble on and on about how it was just a ripping off Star Wars. I actually like the Kylo stuff in the first two movies. I wasn’t trying to say Ray should have been just like Luke, I just think she doesn’t get very many character moments outside of action scene, tech jargon, or mind control. Here running away from the call to adventure and getting captured wasn’t bad, but it was quickly dropped by the time she breaks out of imprisonment. Maybe after being captured and Han dying to save her would’ve been a good way to get her to join the rebellion or something. I guess it kind of is to some extent, but it kind of feels glossed over for Han and Kylo.

TLJ actually had some good character growth for Ray. It’s just a shame ROS has to undercut everything that movie did well. I think TFA is still built on some shaky foundation with bringing back the Death Star and the duel. But I mean, it’s a Star Wars movie. Could you imagine the uproar if two lightsabers didn’t touch in that movie? The real problem with TFA isn’t really the movie itself, it’s the sequels. I probably would’ve been fine with a fan edit of TLJ if they would’ve stuck the landing on ROS.

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#1474679
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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ZkinandBonez said:

J0E said:

I don’t really mind spoilers, I’ve been lurking around this thread for a while. Does it pick up? I’m kinda not wanting to watch after episode 2. It’s starting on TNG season 1 shaky ground. I really like Mando, even if Season 2 had a few too many cameos that detracted from Mando and the kid. Should I just watch the episodes with Mando? Seeing a lot of mixed reactions.

Does it pick up? Yes and no. Episode 2 is really good, then it slows down until Mando shows up in ep. 5.

You could watch just episode 5 and 6 without causing any big confusion going into The Mandalorian season 3, though you would technically miss out on some minor details.

Alright, I’ll give episodes 5 and 6 a shot and see what if I want to go back/forward. Yeah episode 2 was better than one but it still feels a little off. I’m kinda meh on the show so far. Thanks for the recommendation.

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#1474672
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<strong>The Book Of Boba Fett</strong> (live action series) - a general discussion thread - * <strong>SPOILERS</strong> *
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I don’t really mind spoilers, I’ve been lurking around this thread for a while. Does it pick up? I’m kinda not wanting to watch after episode 2. It’s starting on TNG season 1 shaky ground. I really like Mando, even if Season 2 had a few too many cameos that detracted from Mando and the kid. Should I just watch the episodes with Mando? Seeing a lot of mixed reactions.

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#1474670
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What do you think of the <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong>? - a general discussion thread
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Even though TLJ was a tonally and thematically inconsistent mess, it had its moments. All the Luke stuff was actually pretty good. At least the space horses were freed. Screw broom boy I guess. Sacrifice isn’t the answer, but it worked pretty well 15 minutes ago. Superman Leia had my sides in orbit. Carrie Fisher’s passing was pretty sad though. Its such a shame that’s what we have to remember her by. The moment with Luke and Leia at the end almost had me in tears. One of the reasons I haven’t revisited that movie tbh. It kinda bums me out thinking about it now.

TFA was pretty good at the time. I defended it for being derivative at the time because I felt like re-establishing the series was honestly necessary after the prequels. But in the intervening years, unfortunately that movie being so successful started the trend of “soft reboots” in Hollywood where they just remake the same movie beat for beat with the older cast. Yeah yeah, Ray was overpowered. Yeah it was dumb. Yeah a lot of the criticism towards the character isn’t in good faith. It was pretty hard even for a jaded cynic like me not to be excited for new Star Wars.

The problem is the character never had any room to grow. When the protagonist defeats the villain in the first movie, where do you go from there? In Star Wars, Luke runs away from Vader in the hanger bay. In Empire, he scores a few small hits, but gets his ass kicked, and in Jedi he matures enough to hold back his anger and not go down the same path his father did. Ray feels like her arc is a straight line. Any time she does have something going on, they hit the Voyager magic reset button.

Your parents were nobodys, come to terms with it. Lol jk you’re the space devils offspring or something. It’s so fascinating how they managed to alienate everyone and please no one. I’m still mad Finn and Poe weren’t a thing. Even the actors were pretty shocked because of how good the chemistry was between those two characters. It’s the one romance that would’ve landed.

Admittedly other than TFA I haven’t seen any of these movies since release so I’m not equip to have an in depth discussion like some of you guys. I’ll lurk moar. Hope everyone’s well with everything going on.

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#1432954
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The Phantom Menace - Bobson's Theatrical Recontruction v2 (WIP)
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Bobson Dugnutt said:

J0E said:

WOW that looks incredible. Did Zig’s 35mm scan come out already or did someone else get their hands on a print? Either way I’m hard. I haven’t watched this film proper in ages with the exception of the version I got from you almost a year ago. I’m in eager anticipation of this. Keep up the good work my dude, TPM deserves more love from the fan restoration community.

Puppet Yoda this time around or CGI?

Zig’s 35mm scan hasn’t come out yet, this is a seperate scan that’s been done by different people.

I still don’t love the film, I think its a boring mess of crap but I think it’s important that it’s preserved in some fashion.

CG Yoda still for this project, cleaning up the Puppet Yoda will take a lot more time.

Speaking of cleanup, here’s a comparison with the first 4 35mm shots

https://vimeo.com/556018126

Gotcha. The cleanup looks great. Keep us posted.

I’d love to see some scenes with the CGI characters if you get the chance (even if you don’t end up using it). I’ve often wondered if a scan of a print would look more natural than the sterilized look of the home video transfers and how much the CGI stands out.

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#1432478
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The Phantom Menace - Bobson's Theatrical Recontruction v2 (WIP)
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WOW that looks incredible. Did Zig’s 35mm scan come out already or did someone else get their hands on a print? Either way I’m hard. I haven’t watched this film proper in ages with the exception of the version I got from you almost a year ago. I’m in eager anticipation of this. Keep up the good work my dude, TPM deserves more love from the fan restoration community.

Puppet Yoda this time around or CGI?

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#1420146
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Star Wars SE 4K - 1997 (Released)
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SnooPac said:

Btron said:

Definitely sad that my account on a certain tracker went inactive. I’ve been looking for this project outside of there for a long time… maybe one day I’ll find it.

Is it even available there?

Not sure if this invite code still works, but maybe you can try here:
https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/4k77-released/id/60815/page/32#1391579

It isn’t. When they were accepting new people on forums.thestarwarstrilogy.com in December I had an issue with the email registration sending after the confirmation time expired. It would have been my intention to upload it to the Spleen (if I received permission) but sadly, no dice.

Williarob if you read this, don’t worry about it. I have too much respect for the work you guys do to hit-and-run your site. Correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure it’s a raw scan and still needs work before it’s ready to replace Harmy’s edition so I’m not really chomping at the bit to get it tbh.

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#1388889
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Help: looking for... getting the 1080p versions of <strong>4K77</strong> &amp; <strong>4K83</strong> - please
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Woops I completely forgot about this thread.

Well anyway, the different color grades from different people is a can of worms I don’t even want to open. Star Wars isn’t anywhere near as cancerous as Jedi as far as how many versions there are. But the different color grades are even worse.

As far as getting an invite to thestarwarstrilogy, I can’t help anyone there. I’d just scour the web for an “alternate” place to get it. I’ve seen the 4kxx projects floating around a few different places.

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#1379437
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Return of the Jedi 1997 Special Edition HD Reconstruction (Released)
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staracipa said:

“We get a lot of “one hit wonders” around here who take projects and sell them elsewhere. A lot of people only share projects with other members of the community for that very reason. These project threads are hit almost everyday with one-post accounts that are never seen or heard from again after obtaining a link”

“Stay around, explore topics, post around for a couple months, then come ask for links to people’s projects”

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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/1101504

I understand buddy, you registered in 2017 and you did not take part in the Peter Harmy project but you use it! Projects Harmy’s Despecialized Edition, Laserschwert Despecialized Edition German, Yotsuba Despecialized Edition French it is only for the elite registered on the forum…

Okay ouch. Claws are out today, aren’t they?

I wasn’t trying to be condescending or mean spirited. You have my sincerest condolences if you felt that way. I wasn’t saying it’s “just for the elite registered on the forum”, all I was saying is just make a few post in any random thread like, twice a week for a few weeks. People around here are much more willing to share content with accounts that have been around for a while.

As a response to your point, no one gave me the files for that box set despite me asking for them. So gg I guess.

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#1379213
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Return of the Jedi 1997 Special Edition HD Reconstruction (Released)
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staracipa said:

The guy doesn’t reply, the topic is closed.

We get a lot of “one hit wonders” around here who take projects and sell them elsewhere. A lot of people only share projects with other members of the community for that very reason. These project threads are hit almost everyday with one-post accounts that are never seen or heard from again after obtaining a link.

Stay around, explore topics, post around for a couple months, then come ask for links to people’s projects.

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#1377930
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New fan site - thedarkside
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V.I.N.Cent said:

Is this spam?

It appears to be a website still in development, asking for donations, with Mickey Mouse dressed up as The Emperor, and very little else about it.

I apologize if it is on the level, but there is not much to go on at all.

This. What is going on here? All I have to go off here is an extremely vague post with a link to a website where he’s e-begging without any description as to where the money is going or what he’s doing.

OP, you have my sincerest apology if this is a sincere project but I’m also lost.

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#1377640
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I don't think Revenge Of The Sith is as good as everyone says it is.
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I agree, but I disagree with it being the best of the prequels.

It has highs as high as Jedi, but the lows are lower than Clones. There’s a lot more lows than highs. There’s good fan edits of the film. Add few extended/deleted scenes, cut a lot of the filler and it’s a solid 6/10. The official edits though are like 4/10. Most of my problems with the movie are it’s pacing and it’s tonal inconsistency. I also really don’t like how everything is wrapped up at the end to lead right into Star Wars. It’s lazy.

I still maintain that The (theatrical cut of the) Phantom Menace has aged the best out of the prequels. It’s pacing, it’s tonal consistency mixed with using actual sets, miniatures, costumes, etc. It’s sound design is absolutely fantastic. It’s a competently made movie that’s bogged down by cringe slapstick and bad writing. Overall though, it’s a 5.5/10.

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#1368695
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How do you feel about Star Wars being re-titled A New Hope in 1981?
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Fated-Dualist said:

‘Star Wars: Maclunkey!’

A film before its time 😉

“Star Wars but random elements of the mix are replaced by Maclunkey” is an edit I would give my lefty to see.

Crank the volume and compress the audio so it peaks/gets really distorted. REALLY go at it with adding DNR and over-saturating the colors of the 2004 version to create all the visual artifacts you can to really add to the experience.