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#1414448
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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The seams are showing as I listen to “We’ve become a dyad in the force” more and more. Something is still off, and I’m sorry for being so picky.

It’s that he’s saying “we’ve becom- eh dyad in the force, Rey” and it just sounds cut up. When he should be saying “we’ve become ah dyad in the force” to sound natural. It’s the “a” pronunciation that’s messing it up, maybe? (Is there audio of him saying “a” in an “ah” way, lol.) “Become” getting cut up is maybe screwing with me?

I realize you guys are extremely limited here, and it’s something little and good enough as is, so I’m sorry for even complaining about this. If this is the best way to do it, and alternatives sound bad, then it’s fine as is.
But if it is possible to fine tune it even more, then these are my thoughts. Something about it is bugging me the more I play it over.

(Maybe I should just… stop doing that?)

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#1414213
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Bridging their minds was a mistake on the villain’s behalf. Their yin and yang connection and shear force strength (which does include lineage and therefore midichlorian counts) formed a dyad. However, if their minds weren’t bridged, and the connection wasn’t made, a dyad wouldn’t have happened and they would have stayed unbonded. That’s how we have both these things together in the trilogy.

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#1414186
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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“We’ve become a Dyad in the force” is good enough for me. Snoke bridged their minds, already an unusual thing in the force. That was inadvertently the catalyst which formed the Dyad. Snoke and Palpatine didn’t know it would happen. Snoke thought he made up their relationship, but it was so naturally incomprehensibly powerful, that it continued beyond his control, and lead to a full on mystical Dyad. It’s basically a coincidence. If Snoke hadn’t bridged their minds (which is JUST them force skyping and seeing their surroundings), a Dyad wouldn’t have happened. Transfering items and having enough power to handle having their combined lifeforce sucked out of them to restore a body full of thousands of generations of sith… and still have enough energy to both get up from that… is what their Dyad is. (As well as healing each other, but that’s just my head canon.)
It still works this way for me, and it’s important to have Snoke do something in 8. Because he doesn’t do much else besides this, lol. Snoke is a fool and his downfall was thinking he could manipulate Rey and Kylo, I suppose.
I understand the want to get rid of this, but i like the mystery behind it. There’s just enough there for me to understand it enough without it being confusing. (although ironically, this is all rather confusing.)

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#1414021
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I wish they went with the idea that the “Dyad” in specific is why Kylo and Rey can transfer their force energy to each other. I wish Baby Yoda couldn’t randomly do it (they did that to ease into the sudden ability in the TROS, which came out a couple days after the episode.) I kinda wish Rey couldn’t even heal the snake. All of this would more aptly clear up the confusion of why no one’s used this healing ability before, and it would solidify how powerful and purposeful a “Dyad” is.

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#1413776
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Hal 9000 said:

For Zorri and Rey, I see three options:

  1. Leave it alone. Zorri recognizes Rey’s skill and gives her a nod of respect. Rey accepts her compliment and extends her hand. Going into the following scene, we understand Zorri has decided to help.

  2. Rey owns the other crew members, presumably killing them all since we don’t see them again. She holds a gun to Zorri’s head, asking for her help. Zorri, who we imagine wouldn’t act out of cowardice, reluctantly admits her willingness to help by responding with just “okay.”

  3. Rey owns the other crew members. She holds a gun to Zorri’s head, voicing her desire for help. She retracts her saber and extends her hand, assuming Zorri’s cooperation.

3 (and ESPECIALLY option 2) would work better if Zorii betrayed them or something. They’d be starting off on an uneasy alliance with 2 and 3, but that doesn’t go anywhere. She is just on their side the whole time, Rey faces no movie consequences for kinda forcing Zorii into helping out. I prefer 1, because it more overtly feels like Zorii decides to help by her own volition. And Rey saying she cares about what Zorii has to say feels very Jedi, and I’d be bummed to have that removed, even if the exchange is a little wordy for some.

2 is the one I’d really fight to not have edited in this. Rey murdering a group of guys like that and truly forcing Zorii to help is maybe a tiny bit too sadistic. Although it is a desperate situation. And also unless the idea is that it’s a darkside thing on Rey’s part, I guess. Then maybe I can see what the idea is, it’d add to the audience not being sure if she’s going to turn bad. Which would be a plus. A sort of Anakin “TELL US NOW!” parallel to Attack Of The Clones? But again, Zorii is just on their side and happy to help out with more things after. So… ehh… not a good enough pay off for what option 2 sets up. I dunno.

I’d rank the options from best to worst; 1, 3, 2.

and sorry if i just repeated points that have been said already. there’s a lot to catch up on every day here, lol.

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#1413389
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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I’m honestly not saying get rid of Hayden. I’d just like to see Sebastian Shaw in like an alternate version, personally. Even if it looks rough, I’d just like to not feel like that original ghost is forgotten. I honestly think (as much as Alec not being alive anymore has way more to do with it) a small part of why they didn’t have the ghosts in the movie was because of the Special Edition Hayden vs Sebastian ghost debate. That is an aspect of it they wanted to skirt around. The whining us OT purists is that loud, maybe.

But yeah, everyone’s right. It’s much better dramatically for Hayden to be there at the end here, I understand that. I especially enjoy the (what I like to consider) recognizing face The Emperor makes at Hayden Anakin specifically before starting to zap Rey. So good! For real.

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#1412618
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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It would have worked much better if it was the dice she was holding, that is definitely true. But Chewbacca getting the medal is a decent send off, thus having Leia holding the medal be… acceptable. I’ve seen people be more 50/50 on that Chewbacca part, rather than straight up everyone hates it and thinks it’s horrible fan service. It is, and it isn’t.

I should also bring up that Luke gave Leia ghost dice. It’s unclear what Luke did with the real dice after pulling them down from the Millennium Falcon’s rear view mirror. So, they went with the medal. But even still, it could have been more poignant to use the dice and finish off the “arc” of the dice. However, the medal isn’t completely egregious…?

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#1412617
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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It was supposed to be Leia’s doing. That’s why she dies doing it. She did a force thing similar to Luke’s death causing move in TLJ, with a hologram of someone.

It took Leia all the effort she apparently had to get the “spirit” of Han over to Ben. With that in mind, it would make sense that it took a little bit of time for him to get there. It’s unclear exactly how long it took Luke to get his hologram over to Crait.

By the time the lightsaber fight is over, the Falcon arrives to pick up Finn and Jannah off the wreckage. So, with it now up and running, it could have taken the Falcon any amount of time to get from (now Endor) to the Resistance base via hyperspace. The gap of time isn’t that bad here. It’s not hours on end. It could have been like a half an hour or less.

Leia has the medal. She probably brings it with her everywhere, especially after Han’s death about a year before EP 9. If we are to argue semantics and locations and timeframes, well then keep in mind that the dice are on the Falcon. Which Leia was not on or around when she decided to make her final move. So there you go, lol.

And yeah, they went with the medal so Chewbacca could get it. Because of the silly joke, sure, but it also still holds a meaning for these characters in-universe. Han, Luke, Chewbacca and Leia’s lives all changed after they met, and the medal symbolises that turning point for them. Han’s dice mean something to him alone, while the medal(s) mean something to the whole group. That feels kinda phony and silly to say, but it kinda works? Ehh?

These edits are just making all of this a little bit clearer.

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#1412610
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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You guys… lol. Come on.

She’s holding the medal because of Han showing up 5 minutes later. She’s touching the medal as a sort of memento connection back to Han, that’s how she gets a physical representation of his memory over to Kylo to push him over the edge back to the good side. The medal is required to convey what’s going on without words, because Carrie Fisher wasn’t with us anymore to properly act/explain this clearer, and they had to piece together something for Leia to do as a final heroic act. This was a fair trade off. Context, guys.

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#1411833
Topic
The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant (Released)
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Was Ochi also tasked with getting Darth Vader’s wayfinder on Mustafar as well? But he died before he could get to either Vader’s or Palpy’s (after pointlessly killing Rey’s parents)? Why exactly did Vader also have a wayfinder triangle?

So I guess Palpatine’s was on Death Star II because he was planning on staying there for the foreseeable future? Or does he just bring the triangle around with him everywhere he goes?