That works especially well with Finn’s particular groans in this part; it’s like he’s recovering from getting zapped!
And then after him discovering how to commune with Yoda, people who pass into spirit form fade away from then on. He just happened to be the one to discover how.
I took it as the moment it cuts away from Luke crying to Death Star II action is when Anakin fades away. And Luke is only burning the empty suit in the end. But you still have to fade away before you become a ghost.
Just the Phantom Four for me, but the rest I agree lol.
Master Lawdog said:
Once we can get Jon H’s new sequence with Sebastian Shaw, Leia’s purple lightsaber, Anakin’s crackly blade and the color correction all in one, the Force ghost sequence will be absolutely perfect to me.
that’s the dream!
Hal 9000 said:
But I have no interest in seeing Hayden in ROTJ. I really like the statement I always inferred from the original version that when Anakin died, he was ‘restored’ rather than ‘reverting’ back to the version of himself that was about turn evil anyway. Redemption, not undoing it.
Yesss 100% agree!!
And hey, actually, to argue against myself, Hayden appearing as his ghost in 9 could make sense with Sebastian Shaw still being the ghost in ROTJ. Since Obi-Wan switches between the voice of Alec and Ewan, who knows how it all works. Their spirits do glitch, I guess lol. Perhaps they can switch appearance at will, and Anakin decided to show up as his Episode 3 self… as a middle finger to The Emperor? And then he’s Shaw in ROTJ, his true older self, because that’s how Luke saw him. And he wanted to be there like that for him and Obi and Yoda. (and he honestly just didn’t want to confuse his poor ol son.)
But either way, in a perfect world I’d like the option for either ghost, so everyone is happy. You can’t erase Sebastian Shaw!! He will still always be at least unmasked Anakin, even in the special editions with his eyebrows gone!!
That guy is INSANE still waiting for a Shaw version of the Phantom Four. Fingers crossed!
SAVE THE SHAW GHOST, SAVE THE-
…ahem, yes, agreed. 😀
The shot needs to slow down either way for which ever line is chosen. It’s too much information to process no matter how much the lines are whittled down. If we were to keep the line placement over that shot as is, it would be one of the quickest and most jarring scenes in this movie. And that’s saying A LOT for The Rise Of Skywalker, lol.
Dumb new idea for that scene:
Trooper: “Who’s your operator?” or “Who assigned you here?” or something like that.
C3P0: “Oh, Babu Frik! He’s one of my oldest friends.”
Trooper: “Who’s Babu F-” gets shot
I really like this. Could even keep the same “Then why are you… wha?-” part?
Obvious explanation, but; the Trooper continues with the next part of his same old, same old soldier speech until he realizes he doesn’t know what a Babu Frik is and he’s caught off guard. Then blam. Extra funnies without being too on the nose! We know the Stormtrooper doesn’t know who Babu Frik is, and so he does not have to literally say his name for the beat to be conveyed as funny.
I always took the jar of Snokes/Palp clones as ‘used’ or failed experiments, not new growing organisms. The Jar of Snokes seemed like leftovers from the experiments that resulted in THE Snoke, and likewise the old Palpatine bodies seem like either failed attempts or bodies that were used and ‘exhausted’ by Palpatine’s spirit.
I interpreted it this way too. I like this explanation. It’s why Palpatine is so desperate for at least the energy of a new host all together; the cloning stuff ain’t working.
You have to tap into the dark side to sense the secrets the blade holds. (Which is why it’s important to not have the sith whispers until after we find this out.)
Why would Rey internationally do dark side things out of nowhere? She doesn’t know how to get it to work until they decipher what it says, and so she then taps into the dark side and sees Endor. And that ties into “the quick and easy path” as Yoda calls it. Rey is slowly giving into the dark side.
Jar Jar Bricks said:
Yes, but at some point you have to consider whether it’s worth removing parts of the film in order to accommodate for something that only some people take issue with.
On the other hand, Jar Jar, flip that around. A lot of people think the dagger plotline is stupid. Is it worth including all of that nonsense, just for the sake of one joke that only some people care about? If we have to cut a single joke in order for the story to actually make sense, I personally think that it’s worth it.
So it seems like the consensus is to use V2, but keep the “Heads up” line, and trim the gap before Rey starts talking?
I personally think the gap before Rey speaks should stay as it is, not trimmed. It lets the tension hang in the air a little more, and prevents the scene feeling rushed. The timing of the dialogue just feels more natural to me with it there.
If there’s a consensus in favour of cutting it, though, it’s not a hill I’d die on.
I can see v1.2 being the one to pick, but I prefer v2. v1 doesn’t feel right. Him speaking before Rey feels way more natural.
Although out of his mind C-3PO being as sassy and conscious as regular C-3PO still doesn’t fully work for me either way, so maybe I’m wrong.
I’d like the timing of when he begins to speak from the first clip, the sound byte of him saying “I am a highly trained resistance spy!”, but with some sort of reaction shot of someone looking at 3PO annoyed perhaps?
Don’t need to stop the scene for way too long and have Iron Man slowly roll his eyes. But there needs to be something to make the joke punch, I think. I fear most people would go “wait, huh? what did he say? That was kinda awkward and fan edity.” And then the movie quickly continues talking about important things before you can fully process the joke, and the sequence is left with a weird feel to it.
Yeah, some line breaking it up in between would make it work. As is, it’s a little too sudden for Jannah to say they’ll help them, even with the later context of her being an ex-Stormtrooper. Her being so helpful immediately feels unnatural.
Edit: It feels too sudden dialogue wise. Cutting to silent reaction shots still doesn’t work for me either.
Would love to hear this. I like the rhyming a lot, and I think it’ll work so well with how creepy C-3PO looks and should sound during this sequence.
If the edit can somehow properly, clearly convey it like this… then we have a winner here. Wow.
Let’s just go back to her pulling a compass out of the dagger. That was much better and way more convenient and satisfying!
I’m sure getting the highest quality source (maybe even the DNR version of 4K83) and adding some sort of filter over it and a recolour (all to match TROS) could pass enough to fit in for a split second shot. If we really wanted to show a before and after with ROTJ. I like the idea of it.
Jar Jar Bricks said:
I said this before, but I really dislike the idea of removing anything else from the movie at this point. Much more interested in additions/changes.
I think the dialogue discussions are interesting, but could be moved over to the General thread, rather than all of these discussions happening on Ascendant in particular. Especially since their more speculative, rather than serving some goal that has already been set for Ascendant.
Agree, not trying to be a Debbie Downer.
Jar Jar Bricks said:
I would argue the tension is released when the stormtrooper is killed. Who the guy is after that shouldn’t keep the audience concerned.
This. Keep in mind the flow of the whole scene in the context of everything else. (This is a film after all, not a series of clips. debatable depending on who you ask…)
Tension begins to build with the gang on the move running in danger, rises to a peak with a Stormtrooper catching them… and then releases with getting rescued. Who is under the mask isn’t really supposed to be a suspenseful thing, we know he’s good because he helped them out.
Him mentioning Leia sending a transmission doesn’t detract from any hypothetical suspense either. He could be lying or it could have been this whole thing of Leia didn’t know this old friend of hers turned evil and sells the gang out. Just like a DJ character or something, whatever.
Also I just wanna add, Leia sending Lando a transmission can work with the both ideas that he was already on Pasaana or that he was not. I personally also prefer if he wasn’t doing a Luke 2.0 (he was just keeping low and wearing a mask around the galaxy.) Keeping the line about recieving a transmission helps out that headcanon by giving it more of an explanation, so hey.
I don’t know, I don’t really see the point of removing this one line. It really doesn’t change enough to be worth it to cut, so what’s the point. Just leave it be.
I felt the music that plays in the theatrical when The Flash realizes Superman can see him out of the corner of his eye was better. It was weirdly silent in the Snyder Cut and kinda sucked the comedy out of the little bit (it should be funny, Flash makes a funny face realizing).
Maybe I’m just used to the music cue selling the little sequence in the theatrical, and it’s not actually that good from an unbiased perspective, but I dunno. I definitely prefer it over the almost no music version that plays in the Snyder Cut.
And up for interpretation, that only a book can provide, for who the boy is.
I vote for the two-shot version.
I worry that first time watchers won’t immediately tell what exactly they’re looking at in the new lava shot.
Starting on a giant red ball. Then to a close-up of random formations of lava that are hard to tangibly grasp or even wrap your head around what angle the camera is facing (is it down towards the earth? In a way, it’s now a super fast zoom from space to the Mustafar ground or something.) Then an alternate closer angle, with the TIEs popping back into the motion of the scenes.
It’s a little all over the place and kinds breaks the pace.
I like showing some lava instead of immediately seeing the castle, but it needs more connective tissue.