Edit: My bad.
I hope what’s happening in The Mandalorian show so far doesn’t throw a monkey wrench into what this edit has changed about TROS.
I think I’d have to actually see it first.
The purple lightning seems to be a Special Edition/Prequel recolouring thingy. My copy of 4K83 has Palpy shooting blue. So, I dunno.
- In Kylo Ren’s mask montage, Rey says, “You’re a creature in a mask” at 18:08. But it’s hard to hear over the music. It’s an important line. Could it be moved just a second or two later so it is more audible?
Agree on this, watching it back.
I like the blurb.
tfa should get a proper title to match the last two…
That sounds better and more smooth. There is still a weird different swell of music that plays under the line, but I assume that’s because of the editing circumstances of that bit. As good as it’s probably going to get, so it sounds fine to me.
Solo A Star Wars Story fanedit? 😉
Hal 9000 said:
The KoR voice project had different options for dialogue, so I just picked the ones I preferred. And some I didn’t use at all.
The ice wall audio is super tricky and convoluted. But I will revisit it again and see if there’s anything else I can do. Knowing that it sounds like the music drops out helps! Perhaps dropping in a little bit of music that halfway matches would help.
I am really loving workprint 6! Such great work. Haven’t checked out 6.1 but I have KoR notes if there were no significant changes there.
Love the addition of “traitor” but if there are any more takes with a “rebel scum” level of disgust and hatred in the voice acting it might punch more? (It did stand out to me, that duplicated audio for traitor but I am reading you already resolved that in 6.1)
I don’t think anyone has said this yet, but I feel like the “what?” / “…how?” KoR VO when Ben reveals his teleported lightsaber may dampen the wry comedy of that moment. (Not that it was like, “actual lol” funny, I just think the beats of the KoR’s silent reactions and his shrug were near-perfect originally.)
I think I agree here. The KoR are speechless originally, and that was funnier I think. Maybe have them just say the one “how?!” instead of two different guys talking? We can tell they’re shocked by their body language, stepping back speechless. I dunno. Not the biggest deal in the world.
Sorry for annoyingly nagging on about this, but the (at the very least) audio transition from original movie into the re-cut “how thick do you think that ice wall is?” sequence is still not sitting right with me. I’ve been trying to watch it from different angles or frame of mind, and it’s jarring for me every time. I know you had to do it this way because of the original score over Poe’s dialogue in the theatrical had to be masked. But surely there is a more seamless way to do it? I don’t know.
The score before the changed part is a big swelling orchestra track. And then it’s basically immediately cut off into a quieter sounding (literally and figuratively), simpler, almost centre speaker playing track. I guess if you’re not paying attention to it while watching it wouldn’t be a problem. But I noticed it, not going into this remembering that bit was tweaked.
Don’t mean to be whining about it (because I have no idea how I’d attempt to change it) but yeah.
The Rey Nobody cut will just take some clever trimming. A lot of the dialogue about Rey’s backstory can stay. Basically only any explicit mention of “my grandchild” and stuff like that has to go, I think.
I’m skimming through it and I’ll add to this as I do with other nitpicks and anecdotes.
The full-sounding 5.1 audio during the ice wall scene seems to dip out during the newly edited “How thick do you think that ice wall is?” moment. It seems to just be the score and Poe’s line playing. Maybe add some ship/space ambient atmosphere sounds to fill up the channels? It feels like going from 5.1 to lower quality stereo during that clip. Also, the score is clearly edited as well, and the lack of more atmospheric sounds to drown that out just calls attention to it a little more than it should. I’m playing it loud and with headphones on, so I assume it would be even more noticeable on a larger receiver setup.
Finn walking in during that scene is edited as best as it could be with the foliage and everything, but it stiiiill feels ever so slightly like he just popped in out of nowhere. I’m not sure what to do with that.
As much as I personally didn’t mind the Goonies compass thing, I like the change to make it a Sith chant guiding Rey either way. However, (and this might be off-topicy, so I apologize in advance) it begs the question… why didn’t Luke just go back to Endor and check out the Death Star II wreckage? Before or after the Ochi trail ran cold. The Rebellion would have had the schematics to DSII still, knew where Endor was, and should have tried checking around Palpatine’s chair room at least. Right? This isn’t the fault of this edit, as the DSII ruins were just on another Endor moon in the theatrical cut. I guess it would have taken too much time for Luke and Lando to scout an entire moon? If that’s the thought process, then I can accept that, I suppose.
I remember someone posted a few clips of the Luke haircut. I’m guessing that wasn’t the whole scene? But I hope that works out and gets added to this. It was looking great.
Really hope jonh didn’t give up on a Sebastian Shaw ghost…
Gonna leave it there. This edit is so good. It flows so much better. The extended shots to slow the pace down are very much appreciated.
Palpatine’s fingers have some lightning show up in the workprint now.
Okay guys, we get it lol. The Emperor in TROS didn’t work for you.
I don’t think this is relevant in a discussion for this fanedit anymore, the transfer stuff is going to remain in this edit.
George can be a little silly with his choices, and ret-cons were a staple between the OT and PT.
Jonh also has the Sebastian Shaw version to finalize 😉
Whoa! Great job, everyone.
^Did we ever learn what the third lesson was off-screen? I’ve read the novelization and such but I can’t remember
The “third lesson” was that scene in the TLJ novelization (it was in the deleted scenes too) where Luke claims that the Caretaker village is being invaded by pirates. He tells Rey that a true Jedi wouldn’t save them, but Rey runs off anyway. Once she gets there, she finds that it was actually a big party all along. Luke tells her that it was supposed to be a lesson on how Jedi beliefs don’t matter anymore, but Rey gets pissed and storms away.
Some fan edits have added that scene back into the movie, but Hal’s didn’t, so Cinefy’s idea was supposed to be another way of incorporating a third lesson into the trilogy.
I know. If this third lesson scene was in TLJ, then the lesson would be… things don’t appear how they seem. She’s already learned that from Luke ending up being a hermit instead of the epic Jedi she (and we) all thought he would be. I suppose it is a major theme in the film, but it’s unnecessary to do this again, when Rey has already been unintentionally taught this lesson from the very beginning of the film. And whole the setting of her going to like a fun Caretaker party is just one I don’t really like, honestly lol.
So in the context of the film without that scene, I think what I took from it still stands. Rey’s third lesson is one you don’t need to be sat down on a rock and told, like a typical Jedi Master and Padawan. That aspect of the Jedi should be gone. It leads to horror every time. Or something like it. Or maybe I’m completely wrong and some edits are way better with that scene included; I haven’t seen many for TLJ outside of Hal’s!
I like the idea of adding the lesson 3 to TROS, but, in defense of the lack of a third lesson in TLJ…
Rey’s third lesson is something she “learns” on her own. Don’t nail your destiny on anyone, or you’ll be disappointed. Basically.
But more importantly; screw this religion with its specific rules and lessons. She metaphorically doesn’t NEED a third lesson taught to her in the old Jedi way, because its about doing things your own way for the greater good. Not following a specific, flawed guideline. Something like that.
Yeah, it’s character and story-wise wrong, like Hal said. But then it’s too loud (and wrong) or too quiet (and thus pointless) either way you edit it.
Adding a line ruins the comedy beat him staying silent brought, and it also makes the scene too corny. Finn insists Poe take his hand and say “for Chewie” as Poe rolls his eyes (showing to the audience to not take this rejoice so seriously). And then 3PO joins and DOES take it seriously. The three of them (or just Poe, annoyed) look at 3PO strangely, because he’s a silly robot who doesn’t get it and wants to feel like he’s helping. It’s awkward on purpose. If you add him saying something with them, it takes away the awkward comedy moment, makes it more corny because now they’re all taking the “for Chewie” thing a little too seriously. And just makes it an overall forgettable moment now. I don’t think anything needs to be added here; C-3PO staying silent isn’t an issue, really. MAYBE if we can extend the shot of Poe looking frustrated at C-3PO AFTER he says “For my friend!”, then we can retain the comedy beat… but I don’t know. 3PO saying anything distracts us from Poe’s annoyed expression.
Perhaps have 3PO say a line as he’s walking over. So the silent part of Poe being annoyed is still retained. But everyone seems to be adding the line to fill in this silent gap, so I dunno haha.
Little word-y there, but I hope you get my point. And to be fair, Finn and Rey are taking the hand thing and “for Chewie” seriously. So maybe everyone sees it differently. Just overall not really feeling this change. It was perfectly, awkwardly C-3PO.