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#587231
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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timdiggerm said:

Harmy said:

Huh?

Sorry, I was needlessly obtuse, probably because I deal with computers all day.

When you have 10 kilobytes, you don't have 10,000 bytes. You have 10*1024 bytes. Because 1024 is a power of 2, and that's binary and that's how computers work. So 2K is gonna be a multiple of 2...because computers. It doesn't really need to be that way, you could obviously make 2000 the standard if you wanted...but old ways die hard. It's probably that the cost of the difference between 2000 and 2K is minimal or 0, so why not extra pixels.

Yeah, I know that but we were talking about having thought 2K was 2000 (or 2048 if you will) horizontal lines, when actually it's 2048 vertical lines (or columns); that's why your post didn't make sense to me ;-)

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#587199
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Star Wars 1977 70mm sound mix recreation [stereo and 5.1 versions now available] (Released)
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AWESOME! I was just thinking, wouldn't 4.1 be more fitting and better represent the original mix? I don't really understand sound and if it would be practical but if I understand it correctly, there are four channels matrixed in the 93 mix, right? So those would translate into the four original channels and the bass channel would then be added. If I recall correctly this is the way the 4.2 mix was presented on the Alien BD.

Just a though, I don't really understand all of this properly.

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#587194
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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pittrek said:

It looks like you can't download from ulozto as a free user anymore :-(

Well it says "server overload" so it will probably work later but yeah, uloz.to is getting shittier an shittier. I think I'll look into setting up a torrent for the release of the final version. I can do that now that I'm at home for the holiday but I may need some help :-)

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#587188
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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OK, so I decided to take the time and reply to this one by one.

First of all, thanks for the typically thorough analysis, hairy_hen :-) Please try and have the second half as soon as possible, I really want to have this done ASAP.

hairy_hen said:

00:02:27 — White level too low compared to the two previous shots; inconsistency very noticeable in stars and somewhat in rebel ship.  Brighten image to match, or matte out ship and brighten stars separately if necessary.

I'll try.

00:03:10, 00:03:29 — White level blown out in background for both shots.

I can't really do anything about that.

00:03:42 — Red, yellow, and blue lights in background extremely oversaturated throughout this shot.  Mike Verta pointed out that they absolutely should not 'pop' out in this way, because it is photographically unrealistic to be so bright through all the obscuring smoke.  However, they must be toned down separately without affecting the laser blasts.

00:03:45 — Red lights in background oversaturated.

00:03:52:05 — Background lights behind stormtroopers again extremely oversaturated and pop unnaturally.  Will again affect laser blasts unless treated separately.

00:03:53:19 — Red lights behind rebels again very oversaturated and photographically unrealistic.  Quite distracting.

They say that a picture can say more than a thousand words, so here goes:

I know it's still not perfect but it's the best I could do.

00:03:56:11 — Though lasers and flash frames seem appropriately coloured, the explosion on the wall at right of frame still has a very ugly pink appearance.  In the 2004 version it was outright purple, so the removal of magenta throughout most of the movie did not completely succeed in correcting this.

I'll give it a shot.

00:04:18:15 — Flash frames throughout this shot are still nasty pink rather than red-orange like they are elsewhere.  (See above comment for explanation.)  Laser blasts also look strange and oversaturated.

As you can see in the last video, I fixed the lasers (they were all recomped, so I inserted them from GOUT) but the flashes are that colour in the GOUT and even in the I.B. print reference.

00:04:41 — Red reflection on R2 appears strangely 'clipped': flat and without nuance of detail.  Same goes for red light above Leia at 00:04:54.

This has been discussed before and I don't think I can fix it.

00:06:47 — Noticeable garbage matte around escape pod.

I left that on purpose since it doesn't really have defined edges, so it's more of a glow and it's always been that way.

00:07:07 — Stars disappear around escape pod and are slow to reappear after it has moved on.

This was already on my list. Check out the last video.

00:14:22 — Blue panel on escape pod is missing nearly all of its colour, appearing dull grey instead.

I did put the blue back (it was removed in the BD) but it got this appearance due to the colourtiming. I think I'll leave it as is.

00:24:27 (timing approximate) — Noticeable shift in brightness of the left sun near the beginning of this shot.

I don't see it. And even if I did, this comes directly from the GOUT, so I'd have to assume it's the way it always was.

This is more of a general comment than specific, but starting around the time Ben finds Luke (around 28 minutes in, and going until the end of the scene), most of the shots still look too desaturated.  I recall the Technicolor image posted by Mike Verta having significantly stronger yellow levels than anything seen here.  Also, Ben's cloak often looks too dark, closer to black than brown.

This scene is a bitch to colour correct and I've redone it at least six times to get it to look acceptable. Also, in the scans it does look a bit different than on that screen photo posted by Mike. I think I'll just leave it as is.

00:32:02 — I couldn't catch the exact timing, but early in this shot there is a white flash to the right of frame, which looks out of place amid the clean appearance elsewhere.

As it has the same colour as the lightsabre element and it appears in Puggo Grande as well, I'm pretty sure it is some error made in the making of the lightsabre effect, so that's why I restored it.

When Luke ignites the lightsabre, there seems to be a 'halo' around the blade.  Not sure if this is due to compression artefacts or if the GOUT element is interacting strangely with the rest of the image.  I don't recall seeing it before.

This could be due to the compositing of the GOUT sabre into the SE footage. I can't really do much about it.

00:36:39 — This shot of Vader appears oddly desaturated and dull grey.  In the previous workprint, this shot had a noticeable green cast to it, which is now gone.  Which is correct?

I checked and it's not quite as green cast in the IB reference, so I must have changed it on purpose somewhere along the way.

00:39:47 — White levels appear a bit blown out in this shot, particularly in the reflections on the landspeeder.

Again, not much I can do.

00:41:51 — There is a lot of frozen grain and/or compression artefacts in the sky in this shot.  The stillness of it is distracting.

This bothered me as well. Already fixed it. (It's not in the last video - that's still the old version).

00:50:51:01 — Though brief, the pink/purple colouring to this explosion is noticeable.  The rest of the frame isn't so bad, though.  This happens a couple times earlier in the shootout, also, but I couldn't catch the exact timings.

I'll try.

00:54:19 — Death Star's laser blast seems to lean too much towards blue-green in this shot, rather than just being green.  Death Star itself has a slight pink tint, which looks . . . odd.

This is done acording to the IB reference.

00:54:25 — Creatures on game board seem oversaturated with pink and purple; inconsistent with other shots.  Would require separate adjustment to avoid affecting lightsabre.

I don't think I'll be redoing that, I think it looks ok. I did get rid of the horrible GOUT ones in the 2nd shot from that angle though and recreated the effect to get the positioning of those creatures to the way it was.

 

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#587174
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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The rule is that if they're in sync with v1.0, they I'll be in sync with v2.0. I don't need the German soundtrack, I have the fixed one from Laserschwert (whom I also thank for fixing the highlights in the Ronto ass shot as seen in the latest clip btw.). I think I also have Spanish somewhere. What I need is French and Italian I think. And I think I have the soundtracks from moth3r's version.

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#587172
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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It actually hurts me a little to see the quality of ROTS being compared with TESB. Last time I watched the prequels (kind of for the heck of it - me and my friend watched the RLM reviews and then all three prequels to see if we can survive) I actually thought that it was just as bad if not worse than AOTC - the story arch of Anakin turning to the dark side was handled horribly and the acting was horrible too. And yeah, I so didn't care when Padme died that I didn't even realize I didn't care. Being 23, I have a little bit of nostalgia for TPM, so like Puggo, I can kinda enjoy it in small infrequent doses.

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#587133
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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I don't know yet, it'll depend on what I can get - I'd like to have hairy_hen's new mix in DTS-HD 5.1 and the other mixes in PCM if I can get them. Then of course the three original mixes in AC3 and then all the foreign dubs I can get in AC3. And maybe the scofield version but I'm not able to sync it myself, so I'll only include it if I can get a GOUT synced version.

@hairy_hen: I'll fix some of these thing (some of them I'd already fixed as they were on my list) but not all of them.

Oh, and if you were going to point out the green lasers in the final battle again, I'll save you the touble ;-) Those were on my list too and I did the best I could to make them better (after the release of the last WP).

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#587132
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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2K is nearly the same resolution as 1080p (2K=2048x1152 and 1080p=1920x1080) and it is the resolution most digital projectors in cinemas use, so the resolution shouldn't be a problem at all.

I recently saw a 2K digital projection of the new American Pie and it was beautiful, because if it wasn't for the digital subtitles, I would have believed it was actually film (I was a bit disappointed that the BD of it didn't quite live up to the same standard) and I remember thinking the same when I saw the 7th Harry Potter film.

In those cases, when you think about it, they use 35mm to shoot it and then use a digital intermediate which is then either losslessly encoded and projected directly or copied to film, which can only degrade the quality because with high quality digital projection it will look like film anyway because it was originally shot on film and copied to film, it will simply be one or two generations removed from the oneg. This is a similar situation - I bet lot of people wouldn't recognize it for not being film if the scanning, cleanup, encoding and projection were of high enough quality.

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#587121
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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Watch that video, you might learn a lot and if you don't you'll at least get some good laughs. And don't get scared away by the harshness of his words, he does that for comical effect but a lot of what he says there makes a lot of sense!

Also, I have no problem with people liking the prequels as long as they have no problem with me not liking them - the fact that the things you mention don't ruin the film for you doesn't mean they don't ruin it for others. 

My main problem with the current state of things isn't the prequels, it's the fact that the original historical versions of the films aren't available in acceptable quality and aren't preserved for future generations.

And me thinking the original versions are superior isn't the most important thing; it's not really a question of which version is better, that is very subjective, it's a question of preserving a part of art history.

In a few years some film or art students may be taught about the groundbreaking visual effects of the original Star Wars and watch what would be presented to them as STAR WARS Ep IV A New Hope, a film from 1977, and actually be shown the latest Special Edition, because if Lucas' agenda plays out it will be the only remaining  version, and they may think that those effects were actually achieved in 1977. Hell, it's already happening; I remember reading that there was a Q&A with some of the ILM guys who worked on the original effects with cutting edge motion control cameras shooting physical models, and Lucasfilm only allowed the SE (where 80% of those once groundbreaking effects were replaced by CGI) to be shown as part of the event.

If you'd like to know more, read here: www.savestarwars.com

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#587120
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Making our own 35mm preservation--my crazy proposal
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When you see images from a STAR WARS film print, you see them digitally, don't you? It's a digital approximation of the film print, yet it is accurate enough to give you that feeling that it is film, so why couldn't a direct digital capture of the same thing have the same effect?

Don't get me wrong, I love film and the way it looks but I just think that digital has a potential to look just as good.

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#587109
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Episode title in original theatrical release.
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Let me quote my own dissertation here:

The second-draft screenplay, finished in January 1975 is titled The Adventures of the Starkiller, Episode One of the Star Wars

...

On May 1st 1975 Lucas produced a new six page synopsis which he sent to 20th Century Fox to inform them about the development of the story. This new synopsis was basically a short summary of the second draft screenplay

In May 1975 Lucas decided to rename The Star Wars to Episode Four in the Adventures of Luke Starkiller. At this point however this decision probably wasn’t made because of the planned prequels; In the Unauthorized Star Wars Compendium the producer of Star Wars Garry Kurtz is quoted to have said in an interview for Starlog magazine:

 

"Certain kinds of movies just work better – or seem to work better – when you come in in the middle. I know that was the case with a lot of the low-budget films I made with Roger Corman. When you arrive in the middle, you miss all the tedious exposition and jump right into the action. We wanted that effect with Star Wars – the feeling that you had come in after the movie had started." (Edwards 13)

 

This idea was later dropped however, and the third draft of the script was titled Episode I again (Kaminski 104) and the final film was simply called Star Wars and the episode title was omitted completely. It was only after the huge success of the film and during the production of the first sequel that Lucas decided to go back to this concept and dub the sequel Episode V and then he retroactively renamed Star Wars to Star Wars Episode IV A New Hope in 1981. (Kaminski 230)

 

 

 

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#586980
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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It's up to you. The final MKV is at least a week away, because the rendering will take days. The AVCHD will probably follow about a week later.

Also, yes, in order to use MKV in TS Muxer, you need to demux the separate video and audio streams from it. MKVExtract (part of the MKVToolnix) is a good tool. Or as CatBus said, Yamb would probably also do the trick, although it's a little slow.

As to the chapters, I suppose I'll add the chapter files someone sent me (sorry don't remember who) to all the releases.

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#586822
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Well, I wanna start rendering the lossless file later this week and then everything will depend on how fast the encoding and uploading will go. The MKV will be first, then the AVCHD. The BD25 will take some time, because I want to make some extras and menus and such but I have my final exams in September so I'll have to fit working on the BD in with studying. The MKV stream will be BD compliant though, so if people want, they can easily remux it into a BD with any audion options they choose.

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#586779
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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It is quite simple. The Partly Despecialized Editions were crap - not only because of the fact that they were simple GOUT upscales spliced into 1080p HDTV rips. Mainly the HDTV sources used were already very low bitrate for 1080p and during the process of creating the PDEs they went through two more one pass lossy re-encodes, so the picture quality was awful. And I don't have them anymore and as far as I know aren't available anywhere.

The Despecialized Editions v1.0 are the only version available at the moment. They are nearly completely despecialized, restoring the original cuts of the films, albeit with some minor SE changes left in. The quality is somewhat higher due to it being sourced from higher quality HDTV sources and being a higher quality 2 pass encode in 720p at the same file size (more detail is lost from compressing 1080p to a DVD9 then from the downsizing to 720p as can clearly be seen here).

The Despecialized Editions v2.0 is in the works but STAR WARS will be available very soon. V2.0 will be more thoroughly despecialized, recreating the original theatrical version very faithfully, including the colour palette. This will still be 720p but being sourced from the Blu-Rays and the encoding should be even better than v1.0 with profesional editing software and lossless intermediate being used, the picture quality should be much higher. Plus a larger MKV and eventually a BD25 will be available as well. Later this year I wanna do ESB and ROTJ but I'll take a break after SW.

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#586685
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General Star Wars <strong>Random Thoughts</strong> Thread
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It's nice when people can be nice, so I decided to quote:

rabscuttle1 said:

 

DuracellEnergizer said:

You want Lucas to punch you in the back of the head while he takes you from behind, fine, but don't tell those of us who don't want to to follow your lead.

 

Now STFU & GTFO.

 

 

 DuracellEnergizer Its statements like this that were uncalled for. I admit when I'm wrong & I came here bitter & posted rudely & have apologized for it more than once. I like the OT better as well & the changes just don't bother me, eventhough some of them weren't for the best. And as I said on another thread unfortunately I was doing what I was bitching about - bitching about other fans. If it offended you that I accused you of not being a true fan & for being a hater then for that I apologize. You wont get this post sence you've put me on ignore so perhaps someone will let you know that I've admitted that I was wrong & have said sorry.