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Episode IX - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

Star Wars: Episode IX - Revenge of the Abrams
Star Wars: Episode IX - A Stardust Story
Star Wars: Episode IX - Let’s get this over with
Star Wars: Episode IX - The Testament of Alderaan
Star Wars: Episode IX - The Ninth One
Star Wars: Episode IX - Apology for the Last One
Star Wars: Episode IX - Ben VS The Knights of Ren

When was the Special Edition first shown on TV?

Anakin94 said:

And when it was shown in Germany on TV?
Because i wanted to know if i watched the theatrical versions, or the Special Edition’s from 1997 as a 4 or 5 year old kid.

If i remember exactly it was 1999 or at the latest 2000 when the Special Editions were shown for the first time on German TV. After the Special Editions had their 97’ release at the cinema and were available on VHS afterwards, german TV stations still broadcasted the Theatrical Cuts for quite some time.

EDIT: The TV Station ProSieben broadcasted the OT for the last 20 years here in Germany. But according to this site…

… there is an odd gap between 1998 and 2000. In 98 the OT (maybe in its SE version?) was shown only once. In 1999 completely absent. Since 2000 there is a continuous OT broadcast by ProSieben. I remember seeing the Theatrical Cuts saturday afternoon on Kabel 1 (another German TV Station) in 1999.

Most Baffling Complaint of a Star Wars Movie

ChainsawAsh said:

fmalover said:

For me the most baffling complaint about Star Wars has been one brought up by Jeremy Jahns about Mace Windu’s lightsaber. He was bothered about Mace’s lightsaber being purple, and that lightsaber blades should only be blue or green for the good guys and red for the bad guys. I see nothing wrong with lightsaber blades being whatever colour people want them to be. Hell, I myself would like to see an orange-bladed lightsaber introduced in the Disney canon.

I was only annoyed by it because every other Jedi still just had green and blue in AOTC and ROTS. At least throw a few yellow ones in there or something.

In great quantaties it was also visually pretty boring just to see green and blue light sabers.

I like that the Dark Jedi from DARK FORCES II: JEDI KNIGHT had some color variety.

Most Baffling Complaint of a Star Wars Movie

People claim that Jar Jar Binks is the worst character of the Phantom Menace (and the whole PT in general). But the worst character is Anakin Skywalker. He is the person you should rude for and in later movies you are supposed to be emotionally engaged when he gets seduced to the Dark Side. But no. In TPM he is a nine year old boy, who tells you he has been a pilot … ALL HIS LIFE … 9 YEARS OLD. George, what were you thinking?

Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

rodneyfaile said:

The Last Jedi does not ruin anything set up by The Force Awakens. Everything in TLJ fits with exactly what Han says happened: “One boy, an apprentice, turned against him and destroyed it all. Luke felt responsible. He just…walked away from everything. There were a lot of rumors, stories. People who knew him best think he went looking for the first Jedi temple.”

Luke was not reverted back to a previous version of himself. Just because you have success in your youth is no guarantee of success later in life. On the contrary, experiencing great success earlier in youth can make INEVITABLE failures that much harder to cope with.

Losing a child can rip a family apart. It is compounded exponentially if one of the family members blames themselves for the loss. You can hear the anguish when Luke laments how Leia trusted him with her son.

Yoda does say Luke is looking away at the horizon again, but it’s different this time. When he was younger, he was obsessed with the future and adventure at the expense of the present. He needed to learn focus. Now in his old age he is dwelling on the past at the expense of the present, and missing the opportunity that Rey presents.

Luke is not even honest with himself about exactly what happened. He tries to unburden himself by blaming the Jedi way. Only when he accepts his own mistake and finally forgives himself is he able to learn from the experience. This is a hard lesson to learn. Sometimes it is harder to forgive ourselves than the forgive others because we hold ourselves to an unattainable perfect standard.

Luke then puts on an awesome display of Force mastery in one of the most beautiful and poignant moments of the entire saga.

The Last Jedi is an absolutely wonderful movie.

So Star Wars is now a learning-lessons-about-life-meta-documentary which uses a fictional space fantasy fairy tale as a backdrop some old bearded guy invented in the 70s?


Star Wars should be about escapism, not realism.

your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.

I had high hopes for THE LAST JEDI. In the end it literally killed my enjoyment for STAR WARS.

5 months later SOLO came along. The movie i never wanted to see because of common prejudice (don’t wanna see origin story bla bla / mystery is better bla bla).

Turns out: SOLO resurrected my enjoyment for STAR WARS immediately.

Ranking the Star Wars films
  1. Star Wars

  2. The Empire strikes back

  3. Solo - A Star Wars Story
    All i can say is: I love this movie! Such a fun space adventure with likeable characters and a great engaging soundtrack. Watching it, i’m feeling like a 10-year old boy again discovering the magic & fun of Star Wars for the first time.

  4. The Return of the Jedi

  5. The Force Awakens
    I don’t mind the copied A NEW HOPE story structure. Too me it is an entertaining movie that pays tribute to the original trilogy and A NEW HOPE in general.

I can’t rank the other movies since i don’t care about them any more. But for the sake of completeness:

  1. Attack of the Clones
    Strange to say this is my favorite Prequel movie. There is a swelling atmosphere of doom in the story i always liked. And John Williams soundtrack supports that baleful atmosphere very well.

  2. Revenge of the Sith

  3. The Phantom Menace

  4. Rogue One
    Bland and uninteresting. Also irritating fan service and a way too epic final battle.

    (The truth is: Kyle Katarn stole the death star plans.) 😉

  5. The Last Jedi
    This movie is terrible. Last december i left the cinema very dissapointed. I really tried to like TLJ when it arrived on Blu-ray. Some of my comments in the TLJ thread reflect my attempts. But no. The phase of denial is over.

Lucasfilm gives Cease and Desist to stop production of fan remaster of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

SilverWook said:

Wasn’t there a fan remake of Dark Forces some years back? Feels more like Disney is behind this than Lucasfilm.

I was looking forward to a Dark Forces mod called Dark XL. In combination with the original game files you could play Dark Forces in higher resolution with better textures & lighting as well as keyboard + mouse support. Unfortunately the developer abandoned the project and left Dark XL stuck in a playable Alpha Build Version with lots of bugs though.

Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

Hardcore Legend said:

DominicCobb said:

SilverWook said:

This could all be fixed if it’s revealed she had a bit of training as a toddler by some forgotten survivor of the Jedi purge. 😉

I’d find that neither satisfying or necessary.

Unless knowledge of how to use the force transferred to her from her mind link with Kylo, the simple fact that she on her own thought to use the Jedi mind trick needs some sort of explanation…unless I am forgetting something.

I suspect that Kylo UNLOCKED her force powers during the interrogation scene. Her force powers were sealed by someone who left her behind on Jakku. A planet so remote that even old Luke Skywalker admitted that Jakku is pretty much nowhere. But who was it? My guess: it was Reys mother. When Snoke was actively looking for young untrained force users, Reys mother hid her on Jakku never to be found by Snoke. Snokes search was successful though: he found Ben Solo.

I’m really hoping we will see Reys mother.

Episode VIII : The Last Jedi - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *

Possessed said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

DrDre said:

yotsuya said:

Shopping Maul said:

I liked Luke’s vibe in TLJ in theory, but the execution bugged me somewhat. Luke in exile was great. Luke reconsidering past events and pondering (as I have as a fan) the idea of Jedi hubris was great. Luke suggesting that the old Jedi orthodoxy had to die was great. All the stuff about the Force and ‘balance’ and how no-one has a particular claim to it was absolutely great.

What I didn’t like so much was the idea of Luke being on the back foot with all this. Having Yoda come back to give Luke a lecture on ‘failure’ annoyed me. Luke transcended his masters in RoTJ. Yoda and Obi Wan wanted Luke to simply kill the bad guys. Luke chose a more personal, Zen route. I’d prefer he’d been doing the grumpy hobo routine in TLJ as an act - similar to Yoda’s initial test in TESB. This could have been his way of forcing Rey to take her destiny into her own hands, a new and different path away from the usual formalised Jedi training routine. Once Rey had flown off to confront Kylo, Luke could have revealed his cunning duplicity to Yoda and they could’ve burned down the Jedi tree together. Then, after Luke’s great skype-battle with Kylo, Rey could’ve realised what he’d done and be like “you sly devil”.

This way he could’ve played the hobo but still been the Luke we all love and respect without being diminished.

If you didn’t notice, the scene with Yoda doesn’t alter the more Zen route he took in ROTJ. Yoda isn’t advising him on the force, he is advising him how to teach. Advising him as a fellow master. I think because Luke was so pivotal, Rian didn’t just have him fill the master/mentor role immediately. He brought back some of that negativity that characterized Luke in ANH and TESB. It created a nice character journey for Luke to take him where he needed to be to help Rey.

The problem of course is, that he didn’t really help Rey, and that she still succeeded despite this. She helped herself to some books, when she was fed up with him, after which Luke sort of rediscovered himself, and was able to create a diversion for the rebels. Ultimately though he wasn’t much of a mentor in this film, except to be an example of how not to be. Yoda told Luke how to be a better teacher, he got to stage an illusion, and then he died before he could pass on what he had learned.

This is Star Wars. Since when is dying a barrier to being a teacher and mentor?

Ehm, since ANH. Force Ghosts can provide guidance, but up until TLJ they couldn’t physically interact with their environment.

False. Obi Wan sat on a log in return of the jedi. 😛

And he touched some twines when he entered the scene, right?