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#1207639
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Supplementing Mustafar and Tatooine
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Hi, forum. At the tail end of my prequel mashup, I want to throw in some lava and desert shots meant to represent Mustafar and Tatooine. The shots are high-def from YouTube, but the problem is, that would mean that in my movie I have sources with different frame rates.

This affects the smoothness of the render. Is there a way to convert such clips so they’ll match my primary source?

Thanks!

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#1206412
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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I’m currently adding a short scene that I believe will solve my dilemma: Obi-Wan returns to Mustafar and finds Anakin’s saber on the shore of the lava river.

This is part of an approximately 2-minute montage of different scenes with a few sound effects, accompanied by this:
https://bit.ly/2wErDbF

The montage will include shots from Ewan McGregor’s Last Days in the Desert, and the final shot will be Tatooine’s setting suns.

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#1204608
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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DigMod said:
The jump from the lava fall to the ship departure is too soon to me.

I kinda suspected that myself. I’d still be willing to go with it, but I sure can’t say you’re wrong.

I wonder if you could imply your idea of him going down to the shore line and retrieving Anakin’s lightsaber and show him chared and seemingly dead on the shore.

Superb idea; thanks. I could even include a couple of Obi’s lines, as if he’s just thinking aloud.

I think you could rotoscope the emperor out of the scene where he finds Anakin and use that?

How is that done?

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#1204550
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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Another approach: In Return of the Jedi, when Obi-Wan finally tells Luke the truth, I could flash back to the brief ROTS clip of Obi calling the lightsaber to him with the Force, and Anakin doing the same; followed immediately by another flashback to ANH where Ben says, “This is your father’s lightsaber.” Cut back to the ROTJ conversation. It’s therefore implied that when they fought, Obi-Wan got ahold of Anakin’s saber and that’s why he could give it to Luke, accompanied by a lie.

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#1204545
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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NeverarGreat said:
What if they switched lightsabers at some point? There’s actually a few shots during the table fight where Obi-wan is holding Anakin’s lightsaber, but then there’s a shot in between where he’s holding his own so right now it’s a continuity goof.

Holy crap, how does anyone even catch that??? You just marked yourself as a major geek. 😉
(Nothing wrong with that!)

You could re-edit that section of the fight so that they lose their lightsabers, and show Obi-wan Force-calling Anakin’s saber to him.

Not a bad idea!

Or . . . what if I have Obi-Wan going back to Mustafar later on, and finding Anakin’s saber along the shoreline? That would not only explain how he got the saber, but also how he finds out “Darth Vader” is alive. Even the original ROTS implied that Obi-Wan assumed Anakin had died on Mustafar, so I guess we’re left to assume that as reports of the emperor’s righthand man “Darth Vader” began floating throughout the galaxy, Obi-Wan eventually heard about it.

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#1204543
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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DigMod said:
This is unique as far as I’ve seen.

Wow, something unique among all the prequel reedits out there! I guess that by itself’s an accomplishment, so thanks!

The only real issue I see is that Anakin’s lightsaber went over the lava fall with him.

Yeah, good catch - shoulda caught that myself.

I personally have an issue with the fact that they would have died from being that close to lava period. Ridiculous decision by Lucas, imho.

Great point. In scenes like that - in the context of a Star Wars film - I just chalk it up to them using the Force to do what others couldn’t.

I also think Lucas made a mistake - especially since at that time no further SW movies were expected - not having Vader as Vader in the suit for the third act of the film. Anakin should have been Luke’s age in Episode I, and his downfall better developed from Ep1 through the second act of Ep3. In that second act Anakin could have sustained serious injury (not from dueling Obi-Wan) requiring the Vader suit, and then in the suit he does all the stuff we saw him do in the third act of Ep3.

A related issue is that Anakin’s turn to the dark side is way too quick. He basically goes from arrogant whiner to child-killer overnight - and mainly because of fears for his wife’s survival??? So one of the changes I’ve made in my mashup is to portray Anakin as a bad seed right from the start: he doesn’t generally make jokes, he doesn’t whine, and he doesn’t generally have “fun” (Ep3: “Here’s where the fun begins”). He mostly broods (e.g., in my version he doesn’t whine about not being deemed a master; he just gives Windu a staredown). Therefore when he goes full-dark it’s not as much of a contrast to what he already was.

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#1204541
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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Great feedback - thanks, guys. Just what I needed.

OutboundFlight said:
This cut has pros and cons. I agree that it makes Obi-Wan’s abandonment of Anakin more believable.

That was my primary goal.

At the same time, you’d be losing arguably the best performance in the trilogy.

True also. What if I made it seem as if Palpatine’s shuttle was already descending, so that Obi-Wan simply had to get out of there? This was actually my original plan; I only thought of the other idea in the midst of editing that chapter.

Also, how does Obi-Wan get Anakin’s light saber?

Crap, I hadn’t even thought of that! :-\

On the other hand . . . we already know that Ben lied to Luke about his father’s identity. What if he lied about the lightsaber as well? Maybe he gave Luke a saber that was modeled after Anakin’s - so it was Anakin’s “from a certain point of view.”

Lastly, this cut makes Anakin’s defeat purely misfortune, instead of his recklessness causing his burns.

Also a good consideration.

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#1204410
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Alternate Mustafar climax for ROTS
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This concerns the ROTS portion of my Ep1-3 mashup (https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Reedit-Super-Series/id/59213/page/1); here’s chapter 20 of Rise of the Empire. Both duels on Mustafar and Coruscant are present, of course, but severely trimmed. The ending is the most important because I’ve changed the circumstance under which Obi-Wan finally leaves Mustafar.

https://vimeo.com/268402238
(Password: empire)

I’d really love some feedback as to how you think this turned out. My problem with the original version is that I just found it stupid that Obi-Wan leaves Anakin slowly dying on the edge of the lava flow. Why wouldn’t he kill him outright - or perhaps even try to save Anakin since at that point he’d already defeated him?

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#1204016
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Reedit "Super Series"
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LordZerome1080 said:
For Ep3 use NFBISMS, as for titles how about for ROTS: The Return Of The Sith, for AOTC: The Grand Plan Advances, for TPM: The Sith Emerge, and for RO: The First Strike Of The Rebellion.

I like the sound of “First Strike”; I’ll have to think about that. The other titles wouldn’t work though because I’m not separately reediting each prequel; I’m combining them in one (and am almost finished with that, as you can see from the Mustafar vid I linked).

What’s “NFBISMS”?

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#1203917
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Reedit "Super Series"
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LordZerome1080 said:
This sounds fantastic!!! Btw what version of the OT are you using?

Thanks! I’ll use the Special Editions as a “base,” cuz I like some of the enhancements. But I’ll drop in some original clips, such as–

And others that come to mind. Any suggestions?

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#1190722
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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JawsTDS said:

"That was completely unjustified; and, to quote 3PO, ‘rather rude.’ "

So was assuming that people who like this movie are apologists.

Please read my posts on the use of the term “apologist.” You’re falsely assuming I meant something negative. Since I didn’t, I wasn’t being rude. I could have just as easily used the term “defender,” because that’s what I had in mind.

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#1190719
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Jay said:
I don’t agree with people who think TLJ is a good Star Wars story/movie, but that doesn’t mean they’re making excuses for something they know deep down isn’t good, which I think is what many would call an “apologist” today.

There are contexts in which “apologist”/“apologetics” doesn’t carry that sense. It just presupposes that a given thing has been attacked, and so someone else is defending it. It makes no presumption as to whether the attack OR the defense is, in itself, right or wrong.

I’m accustomed to using the term positively in my own circles, and so I wasn’t making a veiled insult to anyone who likes TLJ.

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#1190715
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Creox said:
Why does Rian owe you an explanation?

Nobody said he does. I’m just pointing out that it’s one of the reasons TLJ is perceived by a great many viewers as a poor follow-up to TFA. It’s analogous to chapters within a single novel that don’t logically progress from prior chapters. It’s not as if the novelist is under some moral obligation to me – but it’s certainly a reason I would negatively evaluate his/her novel.

Part of the reason I liked the movie was that there was no explanation for her powers or where she came from…as of YET.

That’s a fair point. But outside of the film itself, I have a negative impression from RJ’s reported statements to the effect that one of his objectives was to show that “anyone” can access the Force and become a Jedi. Statements like that lend themselves to the probability that there won’t be any explanation for Rey’s power and command.

And by the way, I have zero problem with that theme! It’s just that it doesn’t seem to jive with Rey’s uniqueness. Even in my conception of the OT and PT, I’ve never only associated the Force with bloodlines. I’ve normally thought of it as analogous to the skill-sets of real-world people: certain individuals will excel because they have a particular aptitude for something – but need training to hone that aptitude. Others can also receive training in the same area, despite not having an aptitude for it. If the new SW films made that sort of point, I’d have no problem with it.

Even if there isn’t one forthcoming I am fine with just understanding she came from nowhere.

I would wager that for the average movie or storytelling fan, that doesn’t sit well. If it doesn’t bother you, then by all means, enjoy future instalments! I’m hardly suggesting you’re a loathsome person for that reason. In the context of recent posts to this thread, however, what I object to is a mischaracterization of those who dislike TLJ, as if we don’t like it just because we “didn’t get what we wanted.” We have good storytelling reasons for not liking it.

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#1190709
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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TV’s Frink said:
I’m sorry, I thought I was allowed to like a movie without “apologizing” for it.

I tend to move in circles where “apologist” is a technical term with either a neutral or positive context – not necessarily (or even usually) negative. It refers to someone who’s a defender (rightly OR wrongly) of something that others routinely attack (rightly OR wrongly).

As is well known, TLJ is the most controversial SW movie thus far, quite different from those that have gone before it. And as is generally acknowledged, there’s a healthy portion of SW fans who dislike it (I won’t put a percentage on it; just “healthy portion”). Therefore “apologist” is an apt term for the ones who defend it. My use of the term meant only that; nothing more.

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#1190367
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:
One thing I don’t get is not liking the movie but still buying the blu-ray. A year later I don’t even own Rogue One and I actually quite liked that.

I’d agree if I wasn’t into the whole reediting thing. That will be my reason for buying the Blu-ray. If I had no intention of reediting this 5/10 film, I wouldn’t buy any version of it.

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#1190361
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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DominicCobb said:
I think a big part of it must be the expectations thing. As evidenced by GothamKnight’s post, if you were expecting something after TFA and didn’t get exactly that, there might be a disconnect for you personally, even if in reality the two films actually fit very well together.

😒

Why is this the operating assumption of TLJ apologists? It’s not that I or other critics were expecting particular answers or resolutions. It’s that we were expecting . . . answers or resolves, or even just new information, of any kind, as long it was a plausible, natural progression from TFA.

So for example, let’s say I was speculating, like many, that Rey was a Skywalker. It’s not that I was disappointed, much less upset, that she wasn’t a Skywalker; that didn’t have to be the explanation for Rey’s Force-prowess. The problem is that TLJ provided no explanation for it; therefore it provided no natural or logical progression from TFA.

I get tired of the apologists arguing that critics are whining about “not getting what they wanted” in terms of specific plot developments. We just wanted . . . plot developments.

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#1190356
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The Last Jedi: Official Review and Opinions Thread ** SPOILERS **
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Matt.F said:
Reality check - The Last Jedi is a children’s film about wizards with laser swords, space battles and fantastical adventures.

Several problems with your “reality check”: (1) You missed the part of reality in which this is a forum dedicated to Star Wars – in which context (over)analysis is the order of the day.

(2) The “it’s just a kids’ fantasy” argument presupposes that we should accept lower storytelling standards for kids’ stories. Which makes zero sense.

(3) Why should Star Wars be viewed as necessarily /or/ only for kids, or considered only from a kid’s point of view? This presupposes that science-fantasy is only a child’s genre, and/or that Star Wars as a franchise can’t or shouldn’t mature in its storytelling. Yet for some reason the TLJ apologists have no problem with its obvious adult themes. The themes themselves are entirely valid; its the execution that was sorely lacking, and in fact unjustifiable.