Considering that each episode had a budget of ~15 million, that should be fine; it’ll actually be higher-budget than the existing episodes. I am glad that they aren’t going with an extravagant budget on par with the ST.
It’s amazing how much the animation has improved from the early days of TCW to the Bad Batch.
Superweapon VII said:
My issue is that I have zero interest in any stories pertaining to Jedi anymore. Between Filoni and Abrams, the Jedi have been thoroughly ruined in all eras.
At the risk of getting mildly off-topic, easily my favorite thing about the Ahsoka show were the Dark Jedi. They aren’t cartoonish as the Sith, and they definitely come close to the OT (especially ANH) idea of the Jedi as wandering warriors. There are traces of this in Ahsoka’s portrayal as well, and we definitely get this vibe in Visions too. That’s how I’d love to see Jedi in future content, though the PT/TCW/EU idea of the Jedi is so entrenched that it’s not likely to leave anytime soon.
Keyan Farlander said:
This feels kind of right:
Exactly this. So many Jedi survived that, if you look at ROTS, Order 66 feels meaningless. It removes any/all of the emotional impact it had in that movie.
Plus, the idea of a Jedi surviving Order 66 has become incredibly cliché to the point that it comes across as lazy writing. It seems as though every Star Wars TV/EU writer thought “a Jedi survives Order 66 story would be cool” without realizing that dozens of other writers had the exact same idea. It’s cheapening too, as it makes the idea of Obi-Wan and Yoda being the last remnants of the Jedi seem dubious. The Obi-Wan show was especially terrible about this, with the existence of an Underground Railroad for Jedi, and there are apparently so many survivors that there just happen to be two survivors on the same remote backwater planet (the other Jedi on Tatooine in Ep1.) It makes you wonder why the survivors didn’t team up to stage a coup to overthrow the Empire or something, since there evidently were enough of them to do so.
I must be experiencing Star Wars fatigue (at least for brand-new content) right now. I have no interest whatsoever in this show, despite all signs pointing to it being technically good.
Really, I think the issue is just that all the new content is just too run-of-the-mill. I’d like them to make something imaginative for once.
Ahsoka’s shuttle in the live-action show is cool. A mobile home in space, esentially.
Y-wings are cool too.
- At the end of The Rise of Skywalker, both Rey and a redeemed Ben Solo survive. We have a small time jump of some years, and the last thing we see is the two of them standing before a class of students in the New Jedi Temple on Naboo, telling them about the adventures of Luke and Anakin Skywalker, and teaching them the importance of redemption.
This one (or something similar) actually is probably doable (sans Kylo) with current technology using footage from the Rey movie, if there’s a scene featuring something of the sort. Though what Rey is saying might have be a bit different, even with AI lines.
According to the “Icons Unearthed” documentary, Lucas came up with the “Vader is Luke’s father” idea before Brackett’s draft was written, which is interesting. I assume that for whatever reason, he didn’t tell her—maybe the idea hadn’t been 100% finalized by that point? Though I haven’t actually seen the documentary (I’m just going off what I’ve heard from others), so although it’s clear that he had come up with the twist before Brackett’s script, I don’t know how finalized the idea was. I suppose it’s also possible that Brackett knew about the twist but ignored it, but it doesn’t seem likely that she’d ignore such a major plot point.
Also interesting is that the Kaminoans were basically recycled from this draft, which has similar aliens on Bespin. They’re described as having a similar appearance, they ride flying whale creatures, and IIRC their use of saber-darts (including the term itself) was an idea taken from this draft. It’s entirely possible that the Kaminoan city was inspired by Cloud City too, what with its similar appearance. It’s unclear whether all of this was Lucas’s concept, or if it was Brackett’s concept that he borrowed. However, if Lucas couldn’t be bothered to tell Brackett about the Vader father twist, it seems unlikely that this was one of Lucas’s ideas—unless this was a concept that Lucas (or McQuarrie) had come up with much earlier. So even if Lucas considered Brackett’s script flawed, assuming the Bespin aliens were her idea, he still was willing to borrow some concepts from it.
I disagree with the “Vader should have turned earlier” idea. It just doesn’t “rhyme” well with the OT. In the OT, we had a definite set of core characters, and IMO the same should be the case with the PT. It would seem clumsy if the protagonist of the first 2/3rds of the trilogy became the antagonist in the last part. I suppose you could fix that by having Obi-wan be the main protagonist, but I’d rather have the prequels be Anakin’s story first and foremost.
In my ideal prequels, Ep1 would’ve had Anakin as a heroic protagonist. Ep2 would plant the seeds of darkness in him, becoming an antihero, and by Ep3 would be about him turning to the dark side, with the definitive turn at the climax. He may only become evil at the very end of the trilogy, but it’s a much more gradual progression that doesn’t feel forced.
One idea I like is that in Ep3, Anakin and Obi-wan should be rivals, who are either part of different factions fighting for the same general cause, or they’re on different sides but still respect each other until Anakin fully becomes Vader.
Though I love ESB, ROTJ and a lot of other SW content, I only consider ANH canon. ROTJ isn’t as good as ANH, which makes it hard for me to consider that film canon, and there’s something about ANH that just makes it feel to me like it should be a standalone.
What with Lucasfilm’s long history of cancelling SW movies/shows, I really doubt it’s going to come to fruition.
Ah, interesting coincidence, then. But yeah, that thread may have some of the answers you’re looking for.
People say that, but according to the Nielson charts when season 3 was airing it was consistently the 3rd and 4th most-watched streaming show in the U.S. and it did better than both Book of Boba Fett, and Obi Wan in terms of minutes viewed. Season 3 was consistently around 800 to 1100 million minutes viewed while Bobba Fett was only around 500 million minutes (although it did make it to 800 million minutesa few times) and Obi Wan around 400-600 million minutes. It also did a lot better than Ahsoka which again was between 400-800million minutes. Sure critically Season 3 was considerably less well received, especially by fans, than previous seasons, but in terms of the amount of views it still mostly held up. I mean it did have less people watching than season 2, which was consistently around 1200-1300 million minutes , and I think its lowest week was around 800 million minutes, but again Season 3 did make it to 1100 million minutes viewed once or twice as well
True, but I don’t think season 4 will get as many views due to the poor reception of season 3. That season came after one that did get a positive reception. I suspect that the movie will be a flop a la Solo. Ordinary people are just no longer that interested in a franchise they’ve seen lots of before.
On another note, I wonder what general audiences will think of this film? I also strongly suspect that it’s going to be like Ahsoka, where people who haven’t seen the characters’ previous appearances will be confused about all the backstory and what’s going on. It’ll may be especially egregious here considering that the movie is rumored to be an actual season finale, rather than a sequel of sorts like Ahsoka.
I haven’t seen this video but I definitely have no intentions to. It looks like a bad-faith diatribe. Just looking at the comments section, many of the people seem genuinely angry, and with some bad demonization/strawmanning of OT fans.
The weird thing about Worley (and his supporters) is that they’re STILL angry about all this. Like, it’s been almost 27 years since the Special Editions came out. By this point, the majority of the fandom is mostly indifferent to the SE issue and there are now few people who have genuine vitriol for Lucas.
Yeah, that would work, actually.
Are you the same guy who created (or posted in) this thread?:
EDIT: Wait, you’re talking about the post-'97 versions, not the '97 ones. I assume the same thing would apply to those, where it would be publication (i.e., alteration) + 95 years. Assuming that what other people have said is accurate; I’m a bit skeptical if the +95 policy would still apply even after life+70 was enacted, but then again, I’m no expert. But if +95 applies to the '97 versions, it would necessarily apply to the other versions as well if the credits haven’t been changed.
Not sure about dubs, unfortunately. I’m guessing that they’d have the same copyright status as the original version provided that the end credits haven’t been changed. Though again, I’m not an expert on this matter.
There’s also this article— http://deckplans.00sf.com/Research/Prequel.html
Obnoxious nitpicking aside, it’s a very good resource that’s especially notable for covering obscure quotes from the pre-PT EU that are contradicted by the prequels.
EDIT: Thanks to someone else in an old thread on this site (I forget who, unfortunately) for making me aware of this resource.
It’s a good idea, but I think that would work much better if we actually SAW Anakin being treated badly. In the actual movie, his slave life doesn’t seem all that bad. This is a minor issue in TPM, but having Anakin’s vengefulness being a plot point without seeing his abuse would make the issue much more obvious.
I suspect that much the RotNR storyline has been incorporated into Mando S3/Ahsoka/upcoming Filoniverse content, rather than being dropped outright. Given the interconnected nature of the Filoniverse RotNR’s story would probably directly affect the other shows (e.g. Thrawn’s return), necessitating it being retained in some form. And the NR subplots do feel shoehorned in places, especially in Ahsoka.
If you go by that theory, it would seem as though the NR WAS supposed to be incompetent all along. Presumably this is a consequence of the Sequel Trilogy portraying them as such.
Oh yeah, that actually seems legit.
I, for one, am cautiously optimistic. I don’t want to get my hopes up too high, but she and Knight are both pretty competent.
And yeah, it’s crazy that people are hating on this movie while it’s still in pre-production.