I can’t tell if you’re actively trying to make Adywan go insane or not but either way this is funny.
but technically the answer to that is no because Qui-Gon completing his training on how to become full force ghost meant he was able to teach Obi-Wan how to do it right away
Most of the reason people appreciate the new transfers is because of the color grading. Sure it’s dull, but when I turn up the color on my TV it looks great. It doesn’t have as many unfixable issues when it comes to grading as the 2011, like the crushed blacks. There’s more detail and the original colors are still there and can be restored, where as with the 2011 ones, if you desaturate it it just looks duller. The colors are just completely off. You basically have to redo the entire color map.
Adywan’s color grades are better then any of the official releases, but that’s because he’s an expert colorist. He actually did redo the entire color map. But if I’m just picking a version of the movie that I can easily pull up, and I’m choosing between the ugly ass over-saturated 2011 Blu-Rays and pulling up Disney+ and turning the color on my TV up, I’m choosing the latter.
The 2020 ones may have more issues, but you aren’t gonna notice them as much as a blatant ugly color grade.
But there are shots that look godawful from the 2020 Blu-Rays, like that one in the Millennium Falcon. I noticed it in my last rewatch and wondered what the fuck happened.
Therefore basing your ideas on George’s vision is impossible as well, because (apart from certain very core elements) he never had a solid and stable vision in the first place. So, the better thing you can do to enjoy Star Wars without going crazy is ignoring George’s opinions (unless some of them make sense to you) and judging everything based on a purely Death of the Author point of view.
I don’t enjoy things in Star Wars based on whether it was Lucas’ vision or not. I just like the interpretation that Anakin’s fall was not the Jedi’s fault because I think it makes Vader a stronger villain.
But I also much prefer the Disney Canon version of Vader in which he’s even more powerful then Sidious and didn’t lose potential. That completely goes against Lucas’ view of Vader. The 2017 Marvel Vader comics are my favorite Star Wars media besides the original trilogy. I don’t even really like the Prequels as much as I used to, anymore, besides ROTS and some parts of TPM.
Judging what you enjoy and don’t enjoy based on who created it is dumb. Enjoy whatever you want.
And that’s why the Prequels are actually good. They’re so bad at conveying what Lucas was really trying to convey that they turn out being good, because what Lucas was really trying to convey is… bad.
Nah, I kinda like Darth Vader to be mostly completely responsible for his own actions and the Jedi not vilified because of a misunderstanding of Buddhism.
I’m glad you actually acknowledged the weaker parts of his videos. It’s very obvious to me that many times Worley just finds patterns where none exist. For example, he seems to think the council scenes in AOTC are a parallel to the ones in TPM, but literally the only reason they’re the same camera angles is because they straight up just used the footage from TPM.
That thing about Burtt putting it in himself without Lucas’ input would’ve actually been really nice to know. I’m glad you discovered that tidbit.
The critiques of the Greedo scene are still valid. The change made it way less subtle and interesting. Han is less sly and sleazy; rather then being sneaky and getting a shot from under the table, he waits until he’s shot. Also, the scene begins with Greedo holding Han at gunpoint. There’s a certain point where it’s the audiences fault for not getting a scene and I’d say the original scene crossed that threshold just from that shot.
I’m aware that the Vader “Nooooo” in ROTJ is paralleling the No from ROTS, but he tried to make it seem like it’s as cheesy as Luke’s No in ESB, when it’s not. Also, again, your justification does not answer the true crux of the criticism. The criticism of Anakin/Vader’s character in the Prequels (and thus, what Vader is retconned into acting like in this change to ROTJ) is that he does not act like Darth Vader from the OT. Vader in the OT is stoic. The fact that the original version of the scene had him silent proves that this was the original intention for his characterization.
Whenever Vader is angry in the OT, he lashes out in a cold, collected manner. His statements are short and blunt, his voice commanding, his body language stiff and powerful. This is how Anakin should also act when he’s angry. But instead, he whines, yells, and goes on long rants about how everything is unfair. Anakin and Vader are supposed to be the same person. Vader is the dark side of Anakin. But besides some scenes in which he does resemble Vader (Watto scene in AOTC, being knighted Vader in ROTS and most of the movie afterwards), Anakin in the PT isn’t like him. The only similarity is “They’re angry”, but the way they express that anger is completely different. Connecting the two requires too much suspension of disbelief. It’s also why both times Vader screams No, it’s unbelievable. It’s not something Vader would do.
Anakin’s retconned characterization feels like if there was a prequel spin-off about a young Gus Fring, but his younger self is characterized like the popular meme caricature of Jesse Pinkman.
This is what I meant when I said the parallels don’t fix the issues. It doesn’t matter if there’s a parallel between Anakin and Frankenstein, it doesn’t change that Lucas missed a fundamental aspect of Vader’s character. It doesn’t change that Anakin is a moron for just blindly believing the story of Darth Plagueis with no evidence, or that he’s slaughtering children a few days after being a Jedi in his prime. It’s unnatural. We should’ve seen him gradually be seduced by the dark side and do worse and worse things over the course of the trilogy, because that’s how people work. A good person becoming bad is a very gradual process. Think like Walter White from Breaking Bad. It’s natural because Walt doesn’t just become a psychotic murderer the second he starts cooking meth.
Ironic you bring up “the flawed nature of the dynamic between Anakin and Obi-Wan”, because there’s proof that Lucas’ intent was for Obi-Wan to be the right master for Anakin. Dave Filoni’s belief that Qui-Gon should’ve been Anakin’s master and was doomed as soon as Qui-Gon died is his own interpretation.
https://www.tumblr.com/david-talks-sw/678157778408374273/hi-this-came-about-because-ive-seen-a-few-of?source=share
This is what I mean when I say that Worley sometimes finds things that don’t exist. This is not to say that there isn’t any parallel between Qui-Gon and Vader’s death, there definitely is, but I wanted to bring that up.
Reading from this blog is partially what made me realize how badly made the Prequels are. The Prequels are so bad at conveying what Lucas was really trying to convey that people keep making head canons and being so off the mark they’re basically turning them into entirely different movies. No, Anakin is not Obi-Wan (or the Jedi’s) failure. The reason people believe this is because Lucas was so poor at conveying his intent to the audience, and EU authors and people like Filoni interpreted it wrong and spread it.
And that’s what makes me so sad. The concepts behind the Prequels are quite brilliant, but their execution is so poor.
Nah it should’ve just gone in order in the first place. This is a perfect time to course correct.
Anyway, what about non-SW focus threads? Would those be viable?
Not in the Star Wars fan-edits section, no
I thought it was gonna go in order until I saw that the second one was ROTJ. Not complaining but I was surprised.
If there’s interest! Happy to take suggestions for topics.
either of the next two prequels
Are we gonna do another community focus thread at some point?
And people say Death Star II doesn’t make sense…
I’m pretty sure them using Shaw when for unmasked Vader is because he was a seasoned actor who turned in an amazing performance. Prowse was a body actor. Look at his filmography on Wikipedia. I’m not really sure why he was so upset or what he was expecting. Playing tall imposing monsters was basically his thing.
Not saying that in a derogatory way at all. The body acting for Vader by Prowse is masterful. But that’s what Prowse was.
If I may weigh in, I think they look cooler red. Generally the Empire uses red schematics and I think it’s cool that the villain schematics are color coded red.
So that’s a ‘no’ on the source for your claim that:
I feel like JJ saying he was told it wasn’t possible is kinda a slam dunk. Combined with Kennedy saying she hasn’t touched those and that, “Those will always be his”.
I see this claim quite a lot on reddit and YouTube video comment sections too, but never with a source for it, or any relevant quotes on it from the high ups at Lucasfilm on the subject. Hate to be “that guy”, but do you have a source for that?
First, they wouldn’ve have done it by now. Pre-TLJ, Lucasfilm’s agenda under Disney was to appeal to the fandom that believes Lucas fucked up Star Wars. No Prequel content, TFA being OT fan-service palooza, cancelling The Clone Wars in favor of Rebels, the hyper focus on the OT era in comics and novels, etc. Even now in the age of Prequel apologetics, they still reference the OOT (the OG Krait Dragon call being used in The Mandalorian Season 2).
I highly doubt that with JJ Abrams and Jon Favreau clearly favoring the original versions, they wouldn’t have released them by now if there wasn’t something stopping them.
Second, we know JJ Abrams asked and was told it wasn’t possible.
Make that right now. I need to see it.
I really quite like the new ROTJ color grade, though if I had one critique, it’s that I think the blacks are too crushed. Nowhere near as bad as the 2011 Blu-Rays, but it’s something I noticed.
C-3PO isn’t annoying, he’s lovable and funny.
I think I might change my PT answer to Padme… Natalie Portman’s acting in RotS specifically was a whole new level of cringe…
I don’t agree with her being the most annoying, but Natalie absolutely phoned in ROTS. It makes me feel like she saw all the bad reviews for the previous two and just gave up.
Hayden was doing a better job then her in literally every scene (I actually think Hayden did a good job, any lapses in his performance are directing/writing issues). He should’ve gotten top billing since he was literally the main character.
His opinion that MCU isn’t cinema (an opinion shared by some of the greatest filmmakers out there) automatically makes him an idiot and invalidates any insights he’s had on Star Wars?
Nah, that’s not my main problem. Most of his points are nonsense. The MCU thing is just one of them.
His Prequels video is just, “Look at this visual storytelling and poetry, that automatically makes every point about the Prequels flaws null and void”. Yes, I’m aware that, “It’s a language” and that the parallels have meaning and all that. But the OT did the same thing without sacrificing plotting, character development, pacing, good dialogue, etc.
His “debunks” of Prequel criticism are just addressing nitpicks rather then actual story or character critiques. Instead of acting like you destroyed Chris Stuckmann because he said they have candlelight dinners in AOTC but there aren’t actually any candles (as if that was the point), how about address the actual problems with the romance plotline or Anakin’s character?
He defends Chewbacca being in ROTS by saying that it makes ANH better, as Obi-Wan approaches Chewie “on his first try” and that’s because he knew him because “He helped the Jedi 20 years ago”. First of all, Chewie met Yoda, not Obi-Wan. Second, Chewie is not the first pilot he approaches. It’s a normal guy who then refers him to Chewie. This and the dialogue indicates he had no idea who Chewie was. For all the talk he does of people “Not watching the movies”, it doesn’t seem like he rewatched ANH for his video.
His special edition defenses are bad too.
He states that Greedo shooting first was done because Greedo’s intentions to shoot Han weren’t clear visually, despite the fact that his blaster pointing at Han is clearly visible.
He says that both of Vader’s Big No’s aren’t any different from Luke’s Big No in TESB, without accounting for the performance or that it’s out-of-character for Vader, who’s supposed to be stoic. There being a Big No in every other movie doesn’t excuse giving Vader a cheesy stupid line that undercuts the scene. Would it be an excuse if they gave Han a cheesy Big No when the door to the shield generator closes?
Also he actually had the balls to say Jedi Rocks isn’t any more cheesy then Lapti Nek. pukes
“An opinion shared by some of the greatest filmmakers out there”, Argument from authority. I don’t care. You don’t get to just call something not what it is just because you don’t think it’s good example of it. Every movie is “a real movie” and “cinema”.
Yes, I wish they would improve the CGI. 100%
Unfortunately they are contractually not allowed to touch George’s films.
LUKE: Master Yoda, you can’t die.
YODA: Strong am I with the Force… but not that strong! Twilight is upon me and soon night must fall. That is the way of things… the way of the Force.
VADER: Luke, help me take this mask off.
LUKE: But you’ll die.
VADER: Nothing can stop that now.
I love this movie so much.
It doesn’t “ruin the story” at all.
We see when Tarkin brings up Alderaan that the aim is adjusted so the planet’s in view, meaning the view is pointing towards the void of space by the time Leia walks in the room. The initial shot showing the planet is before she walks in.
Even if it were in view the whole time, “they’re gonna destroy it” is an odd conclusion to immediately come to.
Not to mention that’s such an odd thing to say about something so minor.
Also it wouldn’t be a reveal as the first shot of the scene is the Death Star headed towards the planet.
Didn’t Vader already kill both those pilots in the original? I could be mistaken
In the reel it shows the stormtrooper killing the second one in the 2011 blu-ray.
I flipped it because I replaced the earlier shot of the destroyer with the one from ESB;
Y tho
