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#223104
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End of SE ROTJ...
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223104/action/topic#223104
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Originally posted by: Mielr
The only change to the end of ROTJ that I don't mind is the brief shot of Luke hugging Wedge, but other than that, I HATE all the changes, and I refuse to watch the DVD. I detest the new CGI celebration scenes, the new song, the re-editing that takes out Luke's "wink" (or at least it seems like that's what they were trying to do) and the addition of Hayden.


Whoah, hold on there, man. Go back! I'm not familiar with these Luke/Wedge and Luke/winking alterations. Please elaborate.

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#223100
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Should Wedge have been tried for cowardice?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223100/action/topic#223100
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After reading a lot of this topic, I, too, was tempted to keelhaul Wedge after this, but Scruffy's post made me realize that I'd been misinterpreted Wedge's line all this time.

"I'm hit! I can't stay with you."

All my life, I'd thought that, "I can't stay with you," meant, "I have to leave." But instead, it means, "My ship can't keep up with your ship anymore," and that makes a lot more sense. It also makes Luke's line, "You can't do any more good back there," make more sense.

But RRS brings up something I've always wondered. Why the hell did Red Leader put Luke in charge? I know that Wedge and Biggs were pretty wet behind the ears as well, but they at least had to have been there a tiny bit longer than Luke (although you have to admit that Biggs had to have "jumped ship" pretty quickly to be there by the time Luke arrives) and have some kind of seniority. Scruffy, do you have any explanations for this? Did Luke somehow prove himself in combat up to that point more so than Biggs and Wedge?
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#223094
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John Williams' Music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223094/action/topic#223094
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I think what was originally composed for the PT was quite good. What pissed me off about the PT scores was how many tracked pieces he used. There are so many moments in the PT where they just cut and pasted previous tunes from the earlier movies into there. Of course, that started in ROTJ as well, where they use the TIE fighter chase from Star Wars during the Death Star core chase. But that was only that one time. In the prequels, especially ROTS, so much music is just reused, and it just seems so lazy.

And don't think I'm confusing reusing with leitmotif. They're the exact same pieces.
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#223093
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OT.com = TFN?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/223093/action/topic#223093
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Jay
Originally posted by: THX
So, Dork313, what color is Jay's underwear?


You don't remember?

I'm hurt.


LOL!!!


I thought there was no underwear in space?


Well, that's what I've always adhered to. ^_~

And, yeah, Scruffy beat me to it, but that's pretty much exactly what I was planning to post. This is the general Star Wars section of the board, where we can talk about anything Star Wars-related. Speaking of generals, I love that wallet comment about Madine.* Remember when it was first announced that the OOT would be released, and we had about 15 nearly-identical threads talking about it? I'd say this is much more entertaining.

*According to the Rogue Squadron game, at least, Madine was an Imperial defector... who rescued Princess Leia's wallet.
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#222907
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John Williams' Music
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222907/action/topic#222907
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Originally posted by: Mielr
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: Darth Lars

John Williams is not perfect in the OT either. I don't know when Luke's theme became "The Force" theme...


It didn't. Ben's Theme became "The Force" theme.

Right- I saw an interview with John Williams many years ago, and he said that the main "star wars" theme is actually "Luke's theme" (note how it's gently played as we first see Luke when he emerges to help his uncle pick out droids).


Is any more proof needed that Luke is the main character of Star Wars? I mean, when the character's theme is also the movie's theme... it kinda make you think, doesn't it George? I mean, I didn't hear the prequels begin with Anakin's Theme or The Imperial March, did you?
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#222599
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Ages of Luke & Leia
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222599/action/topic#222599
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Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
Originally posted by: Gaffer Tape
Originally posted by: ShiftyEyes
Leia's memory of Padme can be explained by Yoda in ESB:

"Through the Force, things you will see. Other places. The future... the past. Old friends long gone."


Which, once again, is refuted by Lucas himself, back in the 1980s who said that he wanted one of the twins to have memories of their mother. Not Force-induced visions, but actual memories. There's a huge difference. To make ourselves feel better, sure, we can rationalize it, but if you want to get to the nitty-gritty, George dropped the ball, and that's all there is to it.
Sure it's a rationalization, but you're basing this off something Lucas said 20+ years ago? Heaven knows the guy's changed his mind more often on the backstory than that.

And of course Lucas made up Leia being Luke's sister as he was going along!


That's true. I'd been wondering when somebody was going to call me on that. And it's also true that, especially over the course of movie series, you have to accommodate changing directions in the storyline. But there has to be a limit. And the reference in Return of the Jedi is so explicit that it's nearly impossible to rationalize away! It's not something that can just be chalked up to George's mind changing. It's not a 60 year old comic book series where the continuity can change at will. When George decided that one of the kids had to remember their mother and put it in that movie that way, it became set in stone (until he decides to remove the scene when he comes to realization that he screwed up in ROTS... and we all groan and bash him for his flawed logic and lack of fact checking and overall dickheadedness). I mean, how far are we going to let him go? If he suddenly decided to say, "No. Luke didn't really blow up the Death Star. Vader actually manipulated the Force to move the exhaust port right in line with Luke's torpedo in an effort to rebel against his master, the Emperor. All that trying to shoot Luke down was just an attempt by Vader to make it look more convincing," are we going to be able to accept that too as just Lucas changing his mind?




I think not...
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#222574
Topic
OT.com = TFN?
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222574/action/topic#222574
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny
Originally posted by: CO

-Why doesn't Luke cry in ROTJ?


Because he's a man?

Nah, I kid. He does cry. When Yoda dies. And then when Vader dies. Sure his head hangs down and you can't see his eyes, but by the way he trembles as he hangs his head you know he's crying like a bitch.

And that is why I love him.


Sorry to temporarily hijack the thread, but I have one comment about that. I agree, Jenny. But I've also always loved how stoic Luke is at the end when he's watching the fire. As someone who's not afraid to cry, I know that crying is the release, and it make you feel better. In that scene, you can tell how much he has bottled up in him there that he's unable to get out yet. Yeah, it's a good scene.
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#222573
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Ages of Luke & Leia
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222573/action/topic#222573
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Originally posted by: Invader Jenny

Leia is mentioned as being adopted somewhere. It's really obscure, but it's there. I think it is on the Star Wars LP soundtrack. You open it up and it has little bios on the characters and makes note that she is the adopted daughter of Senater Organa. Something like that.

I assume it had to have been written somewhere, but that's one of those things that just needs to be in the movie if it's supposed to end up as important as George claims. I can understand never mentioning the types of ships or the Ewoks by name, but just passing off this "real mother" line like it's common knowledge is just a bit sloppy, in my opinion.
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#222427
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Ages of Luke & Leia
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https://originaltrilogy.com/post/id/222427/action/topic#222427
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However, I must say he dropped the ball back during ROTJ as well. It further fuels my theory that he just made up Leia being Luke's sister at the time because, if he had planned it, there would have been some mention of her being adopted at some point in the previous movies, or having actually mentioned her last name in the movie rather than just listed in the opening credits of the first movie. Instead, it just pops out of nowhere without ever having been mentioned before, and we're simply supposed to accept it!