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#1292752
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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JayArgonaut said:

Wow, it seems that almost nothing is untouched.

Tales from the Darkside:

The DVD release contains an altered soundtrack without the original music score. Episodes released on VHS during the 1980s do contain the original music score throughout.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tales_from_the_Darkside#DVD_releases

Horror (UK) aired the entire run and I was initially planning to record the whole lot but I had nothing to compare the broadcasts with to confirm that they contained the original music score.

The Curse of Steptoe: increasingly censored during re-broadcasts after complaints from the brother-in-law of Harry H. Corbett regarding the portrayal of Corbett’s second wife, with these cuts carrying over to the DVD - which was subsequently pulled from sale by the BBC.

Peaky Blinders: soundtrack substitutions on the US Netflix versions.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PeakyBlinders/comments/80wswh/is_the_netflix_version_without_the_soundtrack_as/

Blimey, if it’s not music changes that’s ruining the originality of these beloved shows its some other change. The Brother-in-law of Harry H Corbett needs get a life; “…portrayal of Corbett’s second wife”, err?, it’s a fictional character for godssake not portraying a real person. I’m sure Harry Corbett himself had no issues with it when he was alive. I do wonder what will happen to these old shows in the future if they keep changing them.

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#1292627
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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JayArgonaut said:

Firecracker00 said:

Good idea, never thought about torrents.

You don’t happen to know if there are any uncut OFAHs episodes that have been uploaded via torrent do you?. To be honest I couldn’t imagine many would. As I said previously, a good way of sourcing them (though probably pot luck) would be via ebay and the like from pre-used tapes that have TV recordings of them. But what are the chances that someone would have an uncut recording of one of the early episodes (complete)?. Maybe an ep from the later series say from the late 80s/early 90s onwards. There is supposed to be an Only Fools and Horses uncut facebook group, but it appears to be a closed group. It claims they have lots of uncut, unaltered recordings of the episodes; whether that’s true I don’t know.

There’s 39GB worth of episodes on MySpleen but even that is incomplete.

Keeping in adherence with the rules here, I suggest that if you search Google using the term “only fools and horses uncut torrent”, you’ll find leads to what you’re looking for. 😉

Thanks, but I very doubtful I’ll find any uncut episodes that way. They’ll just be ones from a VHS or DVD release which will be butchered. Never heard of Myspleen before, but will check that out.

I noticed that in Yuppie Love part of the nightclub scene with Rodney, Mickey and Jevon was cut (the original music was replaced) during the part where Mickey says he’s had lots of women, to which Rodney replies “just wondering if it was sponsored Bulls**t”. I’m familiar with most of the alterations of these episodes, but as far I’m aware I don’t know why they cut that part out. Can’t imagine it being for PC reasons. There is more stuff on TV nowadays with these annoying and unfunny standups that is considered far more offensive than there is in some eps of OFAH. At least Delboy never had to come out with the F word, unlike the majority of these police dramas you see on TV.

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#1292560
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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JayArgonaut said:

Firecracker00 said:

I suppose expiration of the music in the Open All Hours ep does make more sense. Still, it is sad they do this, and I’m sure they could retain it if they paid it, but they want to.

They have to justify the cost and if the licence is considered unduly expensive, it cannot be justified and so the music will be substituted with a cheaper alternative or even removed and the scene left without music - as happened with an episode of Bad Girls, where the characters are seen dancing to a track that is no longer present. 😄

Firecracker00 said:

Speaking of Heartbeat again, but when the latter series was shown on repeat viewings on itv3, I believe they changed some of the music there as well, not necessarily Beatles music as such but just a random 60s song. So even on repeat showings on an ITV channel you still can’t watch it as it was originally shown. Why have the rights for music when first broadcast, yet change the music on repeated showings on what is essentially the same channel?. Unless, as suggested above, it is because the licence has expired?. If music rights was such an issue, particularly with a show like Heartbeat, I’m surprised there was any original music left intact.

The licence(s) were very likely negotiated for the immediate broadcast run and then would need to be renegotiated for rebroadcasts and home video. When many of the licences were arranged for older content, home video hadn’t been factored into the equation. Also, some record companies, executives and artists are easier to negotiate with than others. Don Henley and Eric Clapton allowed their songs to be used for free on an independently made documentary because the film-makers couldn’t hope to afford the licence fees and they’d sympathised with their goal. However, that incident is an exception rather than the norm and almost certainly would not occur with a TV series that was produced by a major organsiation.

Firecracker00 said:

I would love to convert the episodes I have convert them to digital for archive, but if put on the internet they’ll just be removed. I’ve seen dozens of shows uploaded to youtube, yet neither the copyright holder nor YouTube seem to have an issue. It seems to me that it’s only certain shows which people regarded as popular (ie Fools and Horses) - and influential? they are so keen on altering. I’ve seen plenty of Heartbeat eps on YT, lots of Open All Hours, Summer Wine, Red Dwarf, etc which they don’t seem bothered about, yet try uploading an ep of OFAH in full and it’s promptly removed.

Share them via a torrent. Much better. 😉

Good idea, never thought about torrents.

You don’t happen to know if there are any uncut OFAHs episodes that have been uploaded via torrent do you?. To be honest I couldn’t imagine many would. As I said previously, a good way of sourcing them (though probably pot luck) would be via ebay and the like from pre-used tapes that have TV recordings of them. But what are the chances that someone would have an uncut recording of one of the early episodes (complete)?. Maybe an ep from the later series say from the late 80s/early 90s onwards. There is supposed to be an Only Fools and Horses uncut facebook group, but it appears to be a closed group. It claims they have lots of uncut, unaltered recordings of the episodes; whether that’s true I don’t know.

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#1292462
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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I suppose expiration of the music in the Open All Hours ep does make more sense. Still, it is sad they do this, and I’m sure they could retain it if they paid it, but they want to.

Speaking of Heartbeat again, but when the latter series was shown on repeat viewings on itv3, I believe they changed some of the music there as well, not necessarily Beatles music as such but just a random 60s song. So even on repeat showings on an ITV channel you still can’t watch it as it was originally shown. Why have the rights for music when first broadcast, yet change the music on repeated showings on what is essentially the same channel?. Unless, as suggested above, it is because the licence has expired?. If music rights was such an issue, particularly with a show like Heartbeat, I’m surprised there was any original music left intact. I would love to convert the episodes I have convert them to digital for archive, but if put on the internet they’ll just be removed. I’ve seen dozens of shows uploaded to youtube, yet neither the copyright holder nor YouTube seem to have an issue. It seems to me that it’s only certain shows which people regarded as popular (ie Fools and Horses) - and influential? they are so keen on altering. I’ve seen plenty of Heartbeat eps on YT, lots of Open All Hours, Summer Wine, Red Dwarf, etc which they don’t seem bothered about, yet try uploading an ep of OFAH in full and it’s promptly removed.

Oh, back to Heartbeat again, but anyone who’s (or was) a fan of that show I also have several interviews on tape of the cast recorded around the mid-late 90s. Interviews with Derek Fowlds, Trish Penrose, Nick Berry, Bill Maynard, etc on GMTV. Also have an interview with Bill Maynard on the Paul Ross (brother of Jonathan Ross) show around 1994/5-ish. Would happily convert them and upload them, but I suppose YouTube would throw an hissy fit over copyright.

Regarding OFAH, but is there any chance uncut episodes can be found via ebay from people selling pre used blank VHS tapes?. There are lots of stuff like that on there, and I’m sure there are some real rare gems to be found from the joblots that are listed. If they are that desperate to censor those episodes they will have all the copies confiscated, then you’ll get people claiming there’s a Mandela effect type thing going on as they will swear that they remembered a certain scene being such a way only to find no mention of it anywhere, as if it’s been deliberately erased from history lol. I would love to get my hands on a good quality recording of the Miami Twice episode from 1991. I remember seeing that one on Gold a few years, and getting excited that it seemed uncut, suddenly I was saddened to see they cut bits out when Del and Rodney are running through the Everglades.

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#1292356
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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I’ve just checked out the Open All Hours ep mentioned where its said a scene of Granville dancing to Singing in the Rain has been removed. The one on Youtube I found shows this very scene (title “The New Suit”). Why they would leave this scene intact on early DVD releases, but cut it on later versions I don’t know. It’s a very memorable scene so it’s a ridiculous they cut this because of a bit of music. This rights issues stuff is becoming a joke. If you think the BBC are bad then try YouTube for their censorship.

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#1292335
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TV shows on DVD edited either due to syndicated prints or music rights
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Just come across this forum as I was looking into the cuts that were made to Only Fools and Horses. Looks like a great place for discussion for shows that have been butchered or been altered in some way due to music rights issues, and OFAH is no exception of course.

I wish I still had the second repeat showing of OFAH Miami Twice (both parts) on video, but sadly they got taped over some years ago by my dad with Heartbeats lol. I think this airing was recorded around summer 1992 (will need to look up on the BBC Genome site to confirm this). I had Part 1 on one tape, but the Miami ep I had to rec on two tapes as I ran out of tapes, so there were a few secs missing between Raquel talking to the vicar about his lorry full of wine and Del and Rodders at the beach with Rico and his henchmen (just before the Jet ski incident). Apart from this, every bit of the ep was intact and no cuts (as far as I’m aware). I suspect someone must have this showing, or even the original Xmas Eve/Day broadcast on video (converted to DVD/HDD possibly) somewhere in their collection, as well as other eps that were uncut at the time. I did have a recording (again off BBC1) of the seance which, surprising to me at the time, had that extra bit at the beginning where Rodney is talking to Albert (I think Del was asleep?), which was recorded probably the early-mid 2000s (rough guess). I had never seen the extra scene before then.

Glad you mentioned Heartbeat. Used to be glued to that show. My dad and I used to be big fans of it, so we had recorded a lot of early (mostly original) showings of it on ITV. I’d say I have about 90% of the episodes on tape, the majority of them when they were originally aired, though there are some from the first and second series that are second showings, but thankfully they are uncut for content and no music has been changed. There are also one or two separate recordings from these series that were recording from UKGold, but i think they cut the violent bits out due to being shown in the afternoon. From series 3 onwards almost every episode I have was taped when first aired (adverts not recorded apart from the odd one), with the original music (Beatles originals incl). Speaking of Beatles music, but I wondered if music rights was the reason why the used Joe Cocker’s version of “Let it Be” at the end of the do were Dr Ferrenby dies?. Btw, this was used in the original broadcast, so mayve just been down to suitability rather than rights issues.

Shame the DVD versions have had their music altered. Not sure if this is correct, but I think they changed the music in the series 5 ep where the two girls crash their MG and Nick and Maggie rush over to see the BeRo Man. The music they used was “Like a Rolling Stone” by Bob Dylan, and I thought that song really suited the scene perfectly. When I came across a clip of it online the music was completely different.