Father Skywalker

Davnes007 said:

Pssst...pat man....

We want Farter Skywanker™ banned.

He's not an asshole.

 

Hahaa, Davnes 007 I just changed your post, stop trolling you fool!!!!!!!!!

pat man said:

bkev said:

"they"? That's it. Pat man and Father are in kahoots!

  Well I don't know if Skywalker is a guy or a lady. 

im a boy, not a lady/girl

thecolorsblend said:

^ Then why the hell did you bring it up?

well, if u disagree with me that/so much???

Why don't u argue against me yourself urself???

hairy_hen said:

Simple: don't show it.

More easily done by having Anakin Skywalker not be the main character, and occupy less of the focus.  Neither would Obi-wan exclusively be the protagonist, so that the fight which leads to Vader's need for the suit of armour isn't really shown either.  This allows Anakin to 'disappear' from the story, say at the end of Episode 2, without being fully explained; and Vader to appear as a menacing and mysterious villain who hunts down and destroys the Jedi in Episode 3.

Well, then, who should the main character/protagonist of the prequel trilogy be, in your ur opinion???

Darth Vader just killed a group of younglings Jedi and Cin Drallig and his 2 padawans, during/Episode 3 revenge of the Sith, and a few other knights/masters if you bring up the EU (the expanded universe, like the novelizations and stuff). He did kill a lot of the Jedi in the jedi temple, they just didn't show a lot if it to the viewer. 

A huge flaw/plot hole is this. We never saw anakin skywalker/darth vader actually kill a lot of Jedi in person on the big screen, it was either shown in a hologram, implied with the youngling scene, or mentioned in the Eu expanded universe. No scene where he actually takes out his lightsaber and goes after them.

Order 66 was so wasted in the star wars prequels trilogy because, for Christ's sakes, the movie was 2 hours hrs long or so, you can't add a few minutes of darth vader killing some jedi???

Besides, "at last the jedi are no more". Wait, that contradicts the EU the expanded universe, because there were surviving jedi hiding on/in that mining planet Kessel and the wookie chewbacca planet called Kashyyk......

TV's Frink said:

The time has come for a new pledge thread, sadly.

I pledge to never respond to a single Father Skywalker post again.  I won't quote him, I won't respond to him, I won't mention him.

Please also pledge to do so.  This will only work if we all do it.  And I know many of you are already doing this silently, so I leave it up to you if you want to also do it publicly.  I understand if you wish to remain anonymous.  But this guy won't go away until we ignore him...completely.

Members who have signed the pledge:

-TV's Frink

The time has come for a new pledge thread, sadly.

I pledge to never respond to a single Your Mother post again, I won't quote your mom, I won't respond to her, and I most certainly won't mention her. 

Please also pledge to do so.  This will only work if we all do it.  And I know many of you are already doing this silently, so I leave it up to you if you want to also do it publicly.  I understand if you wish to remain anonymous.  But this girl won't go away until we ignore her...completely.

thecolorsblend said:

Don't change anything; just watch the prequels last (which is how "it was originally intended" anyway) and let the narrative take care of itself. Not showing Anakin becoming Vader defeats the entire point of the prequels in the first place.

exactly. 

doesn't everybody know that darth vader is luke skywalker's father (aka anakin skywalker)???

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

adywan said:

seriously, how many times are you going to post the SAME stuff? You see to find any excuse to post pictures of your love interest, yet just repeat yourself in the process. You were warned about this, yet you continue to do it. You are just a troll of the first degree.

let's just get back on topic and discuss the thread title..........

 

What's the matter? Don't you like it when someone goes off-topic in a thread you make, but you think it's ok for yourself to do the same thing time and time again in other peoples threads? Double standards

But, on topic, the Star Wars saga was NEVER the saga of Anakin Skywalker. It was always "from the adventures of Luke Skywalker" George could have easily retained the surprise of the reveal, yet he chose not to. It would have been pretty easy too given the fact of how many villains came and went in the prequels. The audience could have believed that Anakin was dead and then along comes Vader, his new apprentice. If vader in the suit had been the one to storm the Jedi Temple then it would have gone along with what Obi-Wan told luke about Vader "hunting down and destroying the Jedi", but without spoiling the ESB revelation. In fact, that's exactly what i'm hoping to achieve in ROTS:Revisited. It's going to be very tough to acheive, but on the plus side this means that there will be a lot less of that whiny, emo, crap actor Hayden in the movie, which can only be a good thing

I actually like the idea that the suit does not make anakin skywalker Darth Vader. Having Darth Vader storm the Jedi temple with the Stormtroopers without the robotic samurai suit is far more interesting and creative than having the classic looking Darth Vader doing that.

Anakin Skywalker, a Jedi Knight, sacrifices himself for his son. Despite having the cyborg samurai black knight robot suit and helmet/mask on his face, he is no longer Darth Vader. Darth Vader has spiritually ceased to exist at this point. 

Darth Vader leads the march on the Jedi Temple with the clonetroopers/stormtroopers protypes. Darth Vader looks like a totally normal human being at this point.

The suit is just something that keeps him alive.

hairy_hen said:

The 'tragedy of Darth Vader' stuff doesn't fit at all with the way the original films were written at the time they were made: it's all revisionism imposed upon them decades after the fact.  Star Wars is very much 'the adventures of Luke Skywalker' at its heart.

What I've suggested is one of the only viable solutions to the problem suggested in the first post.  To pose this question and then ridicule the answers received is a useless and inane waste of everyone's time.

 

Incidentally, when my author friend rewrites the prequels to be consistent with the original trilogy next year, that's how he's going to do it.

i apologize if i seem to be ridiculing the other user's posts. this is a friendly discussion and i apologize if any of u guys here got hurt or offened.

What do you mean by the first paragraph???

The concept of a "villian protagonist/tragic hero/fallen hero" protagonist sounds far more creative than the idea of Luke Skywalker, a pure hero (kinda like Peter parker/spiderman kind and compassionate and heroic and stays on the path of good) being the main protagonist of it.......

However, I have one serious question here. What's the point of keeping the plot twist a big secret; doesnt everybody know who Darth Vader is???

My mother knows, and she doesn't even know anything about Star Wars or has never watched any of the movies/films

Just like this lady that I know

And a lot of my friends who couldn't care less about star wars

It's a staple part of popular culture nowadays. It was originally a big plot twist during/in the 1980s, but since a few people revealed it and forgot to keep the spoiler alert on, it spread to almost everybody; nowadays knowing that Luke Skywalker is the son of Darth Vader is like/as common as knowing about all of the celebrities of today

SilverWook said:

Easterhay! Where the heck have you been!

Threepio did fly Obi Wan and Padme away from Mustafar. I guess he lost his piloting skills in that memory flush...

I thought that obi wan kenobi was flying the spaceship away from the planet Mustafar......

SilverWook said:

You don't need to post the same pictures over and over and over again to make your points. We know who Vader/Anakin is. Knock it off.

I was just responding to another user who said that Vader/Anakin was not intimidating in the star wars prequels trilogy. I was giving examples, posting pictures as a visual way to illustrate my main ideas/points..........

adywan said:

seriously, how many times are you going to post the SAME stuff? You see to find any excuse to post pictures of your love interest, yet just repeat yourself in the process. You were warned about this, yet you continue to do it. You are just a troll of the first degree.

let's just get back on topic and discuss the thread title..........

Leonardo said:

Father Skywalker said:

Darth Vader was once a normal looking, super-godlike handsome long-haired handsome man, without james earl jone's voice, with a kinda effitimate feminine whiny angsty voice......

Guys, if this isn't satire then I'm really scared.

Why?????

Imrahil said:

adywan said:

damn, i just realised i've been here 8 years now and he is the only person i have ever put on my ignore list. But it seems that the tranquillity has been restored here for me now :)

 

Yeah, how is this guy not banned?

why aren't u banned yet????

hairy_hen said:

Simple: don't show it.

More easily done by having Anakin Skywalker not be the main character, and occupy less of the focus.  Neither would Obi-wan exclusively be the protagonist, so that the fight which leads to Vader's need for the suit of armour isn't really shown either.  This allows Anakin to 'disappear' from the story, say at the end of Episode 2, without being fully explained; and Vader to appear as a menacing and mysterious villain who hunts down and destroys the Jedi in Episode 3.

I disagree with you, for a number of reasons.

First of all, you don't have to watch the star wars movies to know the plot twist in star wars Episode 5; I know lot's of people who wouldn't exactly be considered "geeks" or "nerds" and they have never even watched either the PT or the OT. So, there's really no point in trying to hide the plot twist.

Second of all, Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker being the protagonist of the star wars movies trilogies actually kinda sounds like a good awesome idea, the idea that George Lucas had. "The tradgedy of Darth Vader". The whole idea is that it aint Luke Skywalker's story, it's his father's story, so the whole thing shouldn't be a suprise to us, it should be a suprise to Luke skywalker.

Also, the Mustafar lavaland immolation scene where Lord darth Vader gets all burned up and bald and then gets put into the cyborg samurai black armor robot suit, that scene was my most favorite scene in all 6 of the star wars movies/films, the best most awesomest scene ever of the entire Prequel PT trilogy!!!!!!! Why???? It showed us Darth Vader without the robot suit, and most of all, the transition from human to a half-man half machine. From

To

I love cyborgs in science fiction, and their physical transformations are the coolest part about them. Editing out the Mustafar lightsaber fight/duel and the burning immolation scene in the lava and the subsequent physical operation on Coruscant into the cybernetic black knight with the samurai helmet and the deep james Earl Jones/mechanical robot breathing would basically be editing out the most awesomest part of the entire series/saga........

I don't get what the whole/entire issue is here. Nobody such as George Lucas is criminalizing the original unlatered star wars original trilogy films/movies......

skyjedi2005 said:

I don't know enough about the real Vader Canon backstory circa 1977-1983 to make that determination as to how Vader would have ruled.

I Do know he was a cool movie baddie ruined by Hayden Christensen, and that the Hayden version of Vader never could have kept the empire together, or even bested the Jedi.  Because he is a whiny wimp and not as tall as the real fictionalized Vader from the OOT with Dave Prowse in the suit.

ok, you are  really so nostaglic about the darth vader in the robot samurai suit

well even without the robotic black armor suit darth vader is very godlike and super awesome kickass, and most of all, intinidating

 the Young Lord Darth Vader leading the stormtroopers on Coruscant in the jedi temple walking in that intimidating and arrogant pose, force-choking his pregnant wife and his unborn babies, having yellow eyes from quasi- demonic possession from/in the Darkside of the Force, and slaying helpless enemies with his blue lightsaber (it was actually luke skywalker's lightsaber, not his red lightsaber)

CapableMetal said:

Father Skywalker said:

stop nitpicking over some silly stupid line of dialogue like "I don't like sand", and judge Hayden Christensen (aka Hay Chris) as an actor overall. I thought he was so godlike, just pure plain kickass and awesome!!!!!!

Why??? The Mustafar dialogue with his wife padme amidala was not only good, it was great!!!!!!!

As an actor overall (regarding other things he's in), I cannot judge because I've avoided his films like gonorrhea. However this is a Star Wars forum, so I'll keep my opinions to his 'acting' in the prequels: It's crap.

Watching his 'romance' scenes with Padme is like watching two slightly animate fence posts pretending (very badly) to love each other. There is little chemistry between them and everything seems forced. Both actors in the scene were terrible.

what about on the mustafar scene with them????

Wexter said:

I first started to have problems with LucasFilm's "creative decisions" once it was announced that Hayden will be put into ROTJ. Not only did I hate his performance in AOTC (ROTS didn't come out yet), but it just seemed flat out disrespectful to Sebastian Shaw, who was always a part of this movie.

Some time later I stumbled across the X0 project website which interested me greatly and so I kept watching their progress there. Sadly, none arrived. By that time I did have rips of GOUT on my computer and acknowledged them as the versions that felt "more right" in respect to the original movies.

In 2008 I found out about the Phantom Edit and it raised my interest to the point that I wanted to check it out. That led me to this website of which I have been a member ever since, although I have been only lurking for quite some time. I like it here, the community is great and there is so much interesting stuff going on :)

hayden christensen has a very beautiful and super godlilke handsome face

so thats part of the reason that i enjoy watching the star wars movies/films prequels trilogy

Leonardo said:

Father Skywalker said:

ok. I apologize for the oh-so terrible-and tragic news that the entire world/country and president barack obama should know......

You'd better apologize to me, boy, else I knock the black off ya.

stop trying to pull the race card

i was just trying to be sarcastic, not racist

CatBus said:

Father Skywalker said:

What's is the main problme/issue here, exactly???

For 20 years, the original films were available for average people to see in better than Blu-ray quality.  All you had to do was go to a theatre showing them, buy a ticket, and watch.  Today, if a theatre is caught showing the original films, they are quickly confiscated.

Back in '97, most didn't immediately see the impact of this policy change.  Like you said, the public still had VHS tapes and Laserdiscs, which, while certainly not as good as 35mm film, were good enough for most people's televisions at the time.  And since going to the theatre was falling out of fashion even then, people might not have considered exactly how much better the films looked before they were reduced to VHS and Laserdisc.

Now, not only are those obsolete formats becoming increasingly difficult to play, but two new formats (DVD and Blu-ray) have come along to remind audiences about that quality gap between 35mm film and VHS tape.

The GOUT release (the out-of-print bonus disc DVD release) was a Laserdisc-quality release on the DVD format (not to mention that Star Wars got the wrong soundtrack in this release), so it didn't really do much for fans other than provide a really distorted view of what the originals looked like to the uninitiated.  Even today, you'll hear people say that the originals looked all low-res and dirty like the GOUT, that the Special Editions fixed all of that, and that the originals simply aren't worth an HD release!

In summary, the purists remember the period from 1977-1997 when it was possible to watch the OT in super-high-definition, compare it against today when your best officially sanctioned option is a crappy Laserdisc transfer from the early nineties with the wrong soundtrack, and we feel shafted.  Especially those of us with children.

Or, to put it even more succinctly, when Beverly Hills Chihuahua 3 beats the hell out of Star Wars in the visuals department, there's a problem.

i went to a movie theather that showed the stars wars originals movies/films

they aren't a crime to have/to watch

what the hell/heck R U even talking about????

Easterhay said:

Jackson made the same film three times over. What's so special about that?

 

LexX said:

Father Skywalker said:

LexX said:

Stop trolling, Father Skywalker.

i aint trolling here. Just read my last post (s) and respond to my arguements, if U R that disagreeing with me. Dont resort to the last-resort tactic of calling somebody with a different opinion a troll....

Who said I was disagreeing or agreeing with you? I was talking about trolling.

you misenterperted my extreme, oftentimes offensive, different, and controversial opinions and ideas and arguing about my points and ideas as "trolling"

just like on the jedi council forums

there is this really stupid user on the jedi council forums 

ok, don't misenterpert what im saying, i aint insulting u or implying that ur stupid in anyway, i apologize if u interpert it that way, im just making  a reference to somebody that i find annoying, not you, so no offense, dont worry about it

skyjedi2005 said:

adywan said:

Father Skywalker said:

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

Father Skywalker said:

Episode 3 kicked some serious ass!!!!!
                    kiss my

fixed :)

please list at least 10 reasons why U hate star wars episode 3-the revenge of the sith.........

1- It's shit
2- It's Crap
3- It's garbage
4- Hayden Christensen
5- It's still Crap
6- "Noooooooooooooooooooooo"
7- Did i say it's crap?
8- "lost the will to live" (as most people did when they watched it)
9- Hayden's acting, or lack of it
10 - Once again, it's crap

Best list ever! and i agree Hayden was in some ways actually worse than in Clones. He gets more and more sullen and tries too hard to show intense emotion but just comes off as awkward and wooden.  Its like George said Now i want you to do that darker and faster and more intense.

There were claims made that Christensen got acting lessons before ROTS filming which i cannot believe, and it was on McCallum's advice.  The Same McCallum who thankfully has left Lucasfilm and will have zero to do with the sequel trilogy.Best news i have heard since Rick Berman was fired from star trek.

 

 

stop nitpicking over some silly stupid line of dialogue like "I don't like sand", and judge Hayden Christensen (aka Hay Chris) as an actor overall. I thought he was so godlike, just pure plain kickass and awesome!!!!!!

Why??? The Mustafar dialogue with his wife padme amidala was not only good, it was great!!!!!!!

skyjedi2005 said:

I always pictured the Lava duel to be like Mount Doom in Lord of the Rings book.  But The Jackson films came out first and gave a more satisfying effect than what was seen in Episode III ROTS.

whaddya mean by "i always pictured"???

how did peter jackson's film have a more satsyfying effect???

In my opinion, it looked more real and terryfying, not like some x-Box or PS3 computer generated video game setting

Well, in star wars episode 5-the empire strikes back, it is revealed that Darth Vader, the 2nd in command of the Emperor Palpatine and galactic tyrant and dictator, is actually Anakin Skywalker, the father of Luke Skywalker.

In the prequel trilogy, the movie shows us how Anakin Skywalker becomes Darth Vader, literally. We see how Anakin Skywalker is "knighted" by Darth Sidious into becoming Darth Vader "henceforth you shall be known as Darth Vader", and he is called Darth Vader many times throughout the middle-end of the movie, (it's obvious that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are one and the same person-even before he gets the famous black helmet/cybernetic robotic suit of armor!) and most importantly, at the very ending of episode 3, we see him getting all burned up on Mustafar and getting put into the cyborg samurai black armory robotic suit that is first seen in A New Hope, and throughout the rest of the original Star Wars movie/film trilogy......

Was there a way to avoid the reveal that Luke Skywalker is actually the son of Darth Vader??? I know this sounds crazy how you could hide that plot twist, but since many/some fans are annoyed by this, I want you to think of creative ways that the prequels should have been written in a way that doesn't spoil the famous plot twist in Episode 5.......

Quite honestly, I don't think there was a way. What would U do??? change anakin's last name or something like that to hide his relation to luke skywalker??? Skywalker was an epic awesome sounding last name.

1-It's is a part of popular culture-almost everybody, even people who aint into Star Wars, know about it, except for a few people who aint into popular culture

2- star wars is the story of anakin skywalker-not luke skywalker, therefore, it isn't really supposed to be a suprise to the audience, but rather, a suprise to luke/leia......