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#1320686
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

Anatomy Of A Dewback”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTn636Dg8Sg - at Honor The Force youtube channel. (1997. 27 mins.)
 

About:-

“This documentary takes a look at the meticulous work that went into recreating scenes for the 1997 Special edition release of the Original Trilogy.”
 

IMDB Link
 

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#1320685
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

Star Wars - Access Hollywood Special”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkYRM2HVrWg - on the Sturm Antilles youtube channel. (1997. 58 mins.)
 

About:-

“An episode of Access Hollywood with fans and people in the film industry talking about the Orignal Trilogy as well as old interviews of the cast, what made Star Wars what it is, as well as the upcoming 1997 Special Edition releases of the films.”
 

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#1320684
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

Star Wars: An MTV Movie Special”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COCNse6gkBw - on Albe Sure’s Star Wars channel. (1997. 31 mins.)
 

About:-

“This special features the actors of the original films as they discuss the impact of Star Wars on popular culture. George Lucas appears to speak about the upcoming 1997 Special Editions.”
 

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#1320683
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc. finds for Original Trilogy <strong>making-ofs, documentaries, promos</strong>, etc.
Time

"Oprah - Star Wars Special Editions":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx3_7flnniU - on StarWarsArchivesCom youtube channel. (1997. 29 mins.)
 

About:-

“An episode of The Oprah Winfrey Show with characters Mark Hamill, Anthony Daniels, Peter Mayhew and George Lucas promoting the 1997 Special Edition releases of the Oriignal Trilogy.”
 

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#1320545
Topic
The Kenobi <s>Movie</s> Show
Time

Interesting to see the ‘news’ websites (and on twitter) delete their posts / links about the Kenobi series being cancelled - almost as they do not want to people know they messed up, or that they don’t check their facts before publishing, or apologise for their mistakes - and instead act as if it didn’t happen.

 

Kudos to the The Wrap, who did also check out these rumours out, and waited for replies from people in the know, before publishing anything…

https://www.thewrap.com/no-the-star-wars-disney-series-about-obi-wan-kenobi-has-not-been-canceled/

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#1320445
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

DrDre said:

Fated-Dualist said:

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

How important is it really to this story? The First Order is trying to take over the galaxy, the Resistance is trying to stop it. Is a lot more information than that really important to the stories of these new characters? The logistics of the New Republic are no more important to Rey’s story than they are to the Mandalorian’s.

When one of the main characters of the story is the ruler of the galaxy, you should expect to have at least some explanation of how the system works. It’s fine to not explain anything for a small-scale TV show like The Mandalorian, but the sequels have events that happen on a galactic scale, so the movies should at least give us some broad idea as to the political situation.

I mean, Snoke is neither a main character nor the ruler of the galaxy, so I’m not sure that’s the most salient point.

I was referring to Kylo.

I thought we were talking about TFA. I feel like the political situation is pretty unconfusing in both TLJ and TROS.

Yes, but in some ways it is actually worse, since the message is, that even when the Resistance blows up the First Order’s big gun, a major victory in ANH, and the start of the Galactic Civil War, the rest of the galaxy is conveniently too scared, or too lazy to take on what is left of the First Order. Then in TROS these scared or lazy systems, which in TLJ apparently didn’t have the means to resist, or worse didn’t want to, just conveniently come crawling out of the woodworks at the end of the movie in a massive show of force. In other words these systems could have kicked the First Order, which was a lot smaller than the Final Order apparently, out of the galaxy any time they wanted to, but they didn’t because it wasn’t convenient for the story at that time. It’s really quite appalling the way the bigger picture was handled throughout the entire trilogy in my view.

Appalling?

A few wars or rebellions in real life start like this though. It takes time for people to muster the strength and courage to fight, or even the realisation that THEY themselves need to fight (that nobody else is going to do it for them) - and sometimes they may need a final push, or a reminder of how awful it actually is now (or was before) that can stir them into action.

This is not how invasions by a foreign power work. There isn’t a single country that was attacked by the Nazis in WW2, that didn’t put up a fight at least for a while. Most of them didn’t last very long, but that is beside the point. Yet, in the ST we are supposed to believe the entire galaxy just gives up, and allows the FO to overrun them, even though they clearly have the means to stop them, as is evident in TROS.

There’s really no need to break my post down in a way to negate the context of it as a whole (or overall), but I understand why people do.

The Nazi’s don’t work as an expample here as, stated in my post as a whole, it is the people who rose up to fight against them - not a displaced/evacuated professional armed forces who retreated elsewhere to fight another day.
 

The story of Luke Skywalker (Jedi Knight! 😉) returning to fight the First Order on Crait will have likely have spread throughout the galaxy too given time - to give both hope and belief to people there is a chance, and a need, to fight against those who wish to oppress them.

The destruction of SKB, an actual victory, rather than a symbolic one, should be enough reason to come to the Resistance’s aid. Yet, rather than being the symbol of a new hope, as in the first film, it is met with cynicism, and apathy.

As my post (in its entirety) said, it can take time for word to spread - apparently it is a big galaxy - and only weeks or a couple of months have passed since the destruction of SKB? People take time to find courage and strength to fight - again, this is not a professional army or organised fleet.

The story of Luke back to lead the fight on Crait - after the destruction of SKB - would have also inspired more hope, more belief in those people.
 

A message from Palpatine… broadcast throughout the galaxy that he’ll be back in charge soon and everyone will have to submit to his will again - backed up by a demonstration of the firepower he now in the Star Destroyer blowing up that planet - could inspire or trigger people to take up the fight too.
 

Really? And the actual destruction of the New Republic’s capital does not?

The above reply also applies here (well, most of it 😉).
 

It is also made clear in TROS by the Imperial Officer at Exegol that these are just people - it is a fleet of people - who have only just come together to fight Palpatine and his newly announced oppression, and is not an orginised fleet in the way Rebel fleets in the Original Trilogy were.

This is a running theme in the ST. The FO is a fringe government, but they act just like the Empire, and have infinite resources. The Resistance is a military group supported by the New Republic, but they act just like the Rebellion. The rebel fleet in TROS are “just people”, but it is the largest armada, you have ever seen. To me this is why much of what happens in the ST so hollow. Fleets, resources, evil overlords, and Force powers are just pulled out of thin air, or conjured, whenever the script requires it. Lando musters an entire fleet of random people from all over the galaxy in a matter of hours, the way a kid goes home to get his brothers to help him fight the neighbourhood bullies. There’s no sense of time, or scale, and it ultimately ends up feeling totally inconsequential. One fleet that comes out of nowhere destroys another fleet, that comes out of nowhere.

That isn’t so - in that the FO seem quite excited at swelling their ranks and resources a ‘thousand-fold’ (that was the term used in the film?) to control the galaxy.

The Resistance seem to be a group which is not a part of the New Republic itself - but funded and supported by those in it who have concerns with the First Order. It is obvious that the Resistance struggles for financial and also numerical support - and operate on severely limited resources.

To me, and as posted on here elsewhere, it would have been better to see Lando (and others) recruit people to the fight earlier in the movie, to persuade these everyday scared people reluctant to get involved, in a battle they may not think they have a chance to prevail in. To use Luke’s story on Crait, to use the Empreror’s return broadcast and SD destroying the planet to convince people (the spark to light the fire), to swell the numbers, and to equal the playing field.

Now, it would certainly give more emotional weight to the end fight itself if we saw these everyday people who were persuaded to fight in peril or perish - and also for others to later win, for sure.

Yet they were not ‘conjured or pulled out of nowhere’ though - we are told in previous films the Resistance has friends and allies still, and also in this film - by Poe when he gives his speech that people are willing to fight - ‘We’re not alone. Good people will fight if we lead them’.

I’ve seen a line posted on here recently, and is quite apt for here too - ‘facts don’t cease to exist because they are ignored’.
 

So respectfully, I disagree with your reply (or replies; given the breakdown and separation of the post as a whole) - but I do understand and agree with some of the issues some people have with the film; I have a few myself.
 

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#1320399
Topic
Name Something You Unreservedly Love About The Rise Of Skywalker
Time

Tack said:

Han’s return was maybe one of my favorite scenes this year. It was the emotional crux of the entire second half of the film working for me.

My mother, who hasn’t cried at any movie I’ve ever watched with her, sniffled during that part.

The end line from Han…

(where have all these chopped onions suddenly appeared from?)

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#1320398
Topic
Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
Time

DrDre said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

StarkillerAG said:

DominicCobb said:

How important is it really to this story? The First Order is trying to take over the galaxy, the Resistance is trying to stop it. Is a lot more information than that really important to the stories of these new characters? The logistics of the New Republic are no more important to Rey’s story than they are to the Mandalorian’s.

When one of the main characters of the story is the ruler of the galaxy, you should expect to have at least some explanation of how the system works. It’s fine to not explain anything for a small-scale TV show like The Mandalorian, but the sequels have events that happen on a galactic scale, so the movies should at least give us some broad idea as to the political situation.

I mean, Snoke is neither a main character nor the ruler of the galaxy, so I’m not sure that’s the most salient point.

I was referring to Kylo.

I thought we were talking about TFA. I feel like the political situation is pretty unconfusing in both TLJ and TROS.

Yes, but in some ways it is actually worse, since the message is, that even when the Resistance blows up the First Order’s big gun, a major victory in ANH, and the start of the Galactic Civil War, the rest of the galaxy is conveniently too scared, or too lazy to take on what is left of the First Order. Then in TROS these scared or lazy systems, which in TLJ apparently didn’t have the means to resist, or worse didn’t want to, just conveniently come crawling out of the woodworks at the end of the movie in a massive show of force. In other words these systems could have kicked the First Order, which was a lot smaller than the Final Order apparently, out of the galaxy any time they wanted to, but they didn’t because it wasn’t convenient for the story at that time. It’s really quite appalling the way the bigger picture was handled throughout the entire trilogy in my view.

Appalling?

A few wars or rebellions in real life start like this though. It takes time for people to muster the strength and courage to fight, or even the realisation that THEY themselves need to fight (that nobody else is going to do it for them) - and sometimes they may need a final push, or a reminder of how awful it actually is now (or was before) that can stir them into action.

The story of Luke Skywalker (Jedi Knight! 😉) returning to fight the First Order on Crait will have likely have spread throughout the galaxy too given time - to give both hope and belief to people there is a chance, and a need, to fight against those who wish to oppress them.

A message from Palpatine… broadcast throughout the galaxy that he’ll be back in charge soon and everyone will have to submit to his will again - backed up by a demonstration of the firepower he now in the Star Destroyer blowing up that planet - could inspire or trigger people to take up the fight too.
 

It is also made clear in TROS by the Imperial Officer at Exegol that these are just people - it is a fleet of people - who have only just come together to fight Palpatine and his newly announced oppression, and is not an orginised fleet in the way Rebel fleets in the Original Trilogy were.

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#1320396
Topic
<strong>Welcome to the OriginalTrilogy.com</strong>; Introduce yourself in here + useful info within...
Time

acidblue00 said:

Hello there. New here and navigating around site. I get lost fast lol. I see alot here other than what I’m hunting for. Looking for the Star Wars 35mm downloads but I see other things. Everything I click on has a dead link 😦 not sure if I’m in right area’s or very old post.

Is this forum dead? I give up.

Dude - there are no download links on the site.
 

To use a quote I’ve seen around the place - ‘Patience - we must learn patience’ 😃 and take the time to look around, read and take onboard the opening post in this thread, and also the links provided in it.

We’re meant to put the effort into finding what we like from this amazing and vast collection of content ourselves - whether searching through the various Index threads, the pages of threads in the appropiate section of the site, using the search function, asking questions (or for some help) in the relevant threads when stuck - and then reading through the project or information threads…
 

Plus, this appears in quite a few places on here:-

“We are not pirates - and this is not a torrent or download site.”
 

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#1319945
Topic
Star Wars internet Rabbit holes
Time

I originally posted the following in the YouTube/Vimeo/etc… Star Wars finds thread in The Expanded Universe & General Star Wars Discussion section of this wondrous site. As that is a massive thread it will likely get lost in there soon enough, and also thought it may also be of interest in here too, along with other sties of interest?

(I also wasn’t sure if this would fit better in screams in the void’s Taking a stand against toxic fandom thread? - please delete this post if it is unnecessary mods, or screams in the void)

 
 

A network of YouTubers have come together to form a project that celebrates Star Wars; where anyone can put forward a video to talk about their love and appreciation of Star Wars in a single YouTube Playlist - “choosing scenes, moments or journeys they believe define Star Wars, to further spread love for the series” - from any and all of The Galaxy Far Far Away…

 

The Link to the ‘Star Wars Defined’ Playlist:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYcp42hsULg&list=PL9DcNxTVwGux0MRI1fln1UjRQ1K1vfILN (the Browntable YouTube Channel)

^ currently there are around 60 videos in the Playlist - covering a wide range of Star Wars content from all corners of the galaxy. Some videos are as short as a couple of minutes - others are a little longer (I think 20 minutes is the longest I’ve seen so far).

 

This was the first video to appear as part of the ‘Star Wars Defined’ project:-

Star Wars Defined - The Binary Sunset‘s Meaning Analyzed’ - by Browntable. (8 mins long)

 

and this is my current favourite video so far that I’ve seen (I liked TLJ in the main, but have issues with certain aspects) - this guy just persuaded me to give it another watch - and maybe appreciate ‘Broom Boy’ a little more:-

Why I loved The Last Jedi - The Spark Inside Us’ - by Loverboy Media. (19 mins long; with info on the ‘SW Defined’ project)

 

There are a few Original Trilogy themed videos on there now too 😃
 

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#1319939
Topic
YouTube/Vimeo/etc... Star Wars finds
Time

A network of YouTubers have come together to form a project that celebrates Star Wars; where anyone can put forward a video to talk about their love and appreciation of Star Wars in a single YouTube Playlist - “choosing scenes, moments or journeys they believe define Star Wars, to further spread love for the series” - from any and all of The Galaxy Far Far Away…

 

The Link to the ‘Star Wars Defined’ Playlist:-

www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYcp42hsULg&list=PL9DcNxTVwGux0MRI1fln1UjRQ1K1vfILN (the Browntable YouTube Channel)

^ currently there are around 60 videos in the Playlist - covering a wide range of Star Wars content from all corners of the galaxy. Some videos are as short as a couple of minutes - others are a little longer (I think 20 minutes is the longest video I’ve seen so far).

 

This was the first video to appear as part of the ‘Star Wars Defined’ project:-

Star Wars Defined - The Binary Sunset‘s Meaning Analyzed’ - by Browntable. (8 mins long)

 

and this is my current favourite video so far that I’ve seen (I liked TLJ in the main, but have issues with certain aspects) - this guy just persuaded me to give it another watch - and maybe appreciate ‘Broom Boy’ a little more:-

Why I loved The Last Jedi - The Spark Inside Us’ - by Loverboy Media. (19 mins long; with info on the ‘SW Defined’ project)
 

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#1319912
Topic
What do you think was the best release of the OT at the time it came out?
Time

Apologies for bumping an old thread - I saw this while making my way through the Index Thread here.

I had the 1990 VHS boxset in my younger days, and it was the only set I thought I ever needed (until years later for the 2006 GOUT dvds, and later the 2011 blu-ray set to be able to own the Despecialized Editions), I had no idea there were so many differences between the various releases - from an aspect, quality, dnr, sound, p&s/fullscreen/widescreen etc point of view - even before the 97 SE’s and GL’s many changes to the films themselves!

I have much to learn! 😃

^ image is from google, my vhs set has since fallen apart through age and overuse!

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#1319740
Topic
The Random <em>Star Wars</em> Pics &amp; GIFs Thread
Time

Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker spoiler:-

(taken from another site…)

"I find it ironic that Palpatine destroyed a romantic union in order to create Darth Vader and rise to power; he’s then defeated by a romantic union between his own grandchild and the product of the family he originally exploited. Talk about karma coming back to bite him.

It’s kind of the perfect downfall for someone who’s constant Achilles’ heel has been his disregard for the power of love."

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#1319736
Topic
The <strong>random Pics &amp; GIFs</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
Time

Thank you ray_afraid 😃

I’m a bit of an old skool fan and prefer the old drawn feel of pictures and posters (not that there’s anything wrong with a good modern style digital image).
 

Not to hog the thread, but I also love this for the simplicity of it, and also concept of R2 beaming the story through his projector:-

^ by Mike Del Mundo, at https://twitter.com/deadlymike

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#1319705
Topic
The <strong>random Pics &amp; GIFs</strong> thread for the Original Trilogy
Time

I’m a bit of a long time lurker, love the recent changes made on the site and that now we have a dedicated section for the Original Trilogy!

With that said I thought it may be a decent idea to have a ‘Picture and Gifs’ thread similar to DuracellEnergizer’s impressive, most impressive The Random Star Wars Pics & GIFs Thread in the General Star Wars Discussion forum - but one in here - just for the Original Trilogy

 

There are also these 3 great image threads for the Original Trilogy films - focusing on ‘Making Of / BTS’ pictures & gifs…

Star Wars (1977) - ‘Behind The Scenes / Making Of’ images thread

Empire Strikes Back - ‘Behind The Scenes / Making Of’ images thread

Return Of The Jedi - ‘Behind The Scenes / Making Of’ images thread

 

My contribution is a personal favourite, well 3 personal favourites, by Tyler Stout:

 

More if his work, on many other shows and movies too, can be found on his website: http://www.tstout.com

Apologies if there is already a thread on this and I have missed it.