Eyepainter

theprion said:

Some interesting workarounds.

But since Jango isn’t on Geonosis in your cut, why not completely cut him from the film? He was always an useless fanservice of a character anyways.

Consider this: the kaminoans might have their gene pools or something like that. Why would they (or Count Dooku, for that matter) need a random mercenary to be either an outside asset or a loose end on this monumental operation? So Obi follows the dart trail to Kamino, discovers the clone army, and when he is about to meet the unknown “supervisor” who ordered the clones, a ship (still Slave I, but who cares) departs hastily upon learning of the jedi’s inquiry, but not before Obi whips him a tracking device. This should improve the veil of secrecy involving Count Dooku and the assassination plan when Obi-Wan finally uncovers him in Geonosis, rather than just skip leads from one bounty hunter to another. What do you think?

As for Shmi, I’m curious to see how you make it work. Paired with the downplaying of Jango, these are some promising changes I have no knowledge of prior attempts.

I’m not sure where I said that Jango wasn’t on Geonosis. All I said is that his purpose had been served once Obi-Wan followed him to Geonosis, which means that he still goes there.

I sympathize with the notion of getting rid of Jango in his entirety, though. It’s just that I couldn’t find a way to explain how Obi-Wan arrives on Geonosis without him following Jango there. Still, I’ll see if it’s possible to get rid of the Jango scenes from the arena. My only concern is that Mace Windu’s entrance might be needed. Having just a bunch of random jedi appear out of nowhere seems a little vague and hard to follow. But I’ll see if it works.

theprion said:

The cut list is very promising. I might have missed something though: what is the fate of Shmi and Jango Fett?

Aah yes. One of the downsides of change lists are that they’re good at showing what’s been taken out and not what’s been kept in. Talking about what’s still around is the hard part.

In regards to Shmi’s fate, she still dies. However, all we see is Anakin bringing the body home followed by the funeral scene. We don’t get to see the scene where Anakin finds her before she dies and his eventual killing of the tuskens, or his Darth Vader-esque rant at Padme. (Which is a shame, because that moment when Anakin meets his mom after so long was a rare good moment from the film. However, the whole thing with Anakin becoming a cold-blooded killer made him a villain way too early in the prequels, so it didn’t make sense to keep it. Besides, there’s enough hinting at Anakin’s turn to the dark side without that scene anyway.)

As for Jango Fett, I’ve decided to let his fate be unknown. Mace Windu’s decapitating of Jango right in front of his kid seemed messed up. (Not to mention uncharacteristic of the jedi.) Besides that, Jango’s purpose in the plot had been served once Obi-Wan followed him to Geonosis. Anything about what happens to him (or Boba) afterwards isn’t that important. He’s still in the Geonosis climax, but less so.

Okay, I’m an even bigger jerk. Who would’ve thought that Christmas was gonna get in the way of working on my fan edits? I’m getting to it, folks. I’ll see if I can get v2 tested for real this time. (Whilst juggling over the family, that is. That’s what’s been delaying me so far.)

Thanks!

Full list of changes are now on the main post.

danieldubb said:

Eyepainter said:

Good to have you on board, dude.

I have a fan edit of episode I that’s already been released (episodes II and III are still a work in progress), and most of my audio issues are minor. Still, any updates I can make to the edit, however small, are nice.

I’m editing on Davinci Resolve 16 in case it’s important. I’ve been able to fix most of my audio problems through crossfades and cutting out unwanted lines and sound effects (you’d be amazed how much more tolerable Jar Jar is without his sound effects). However, I’ve noticed a few instances, specifically with removed dialogue, where you can hear the audio get somewhat quieter whenever there’s a line or sound effect I’ve removed.

For example, because I’m a fan of l8wrtr’s edit of episode I, I wanted to do a similar thing in which I got rid of the sports commentators and their voices. At the beginning of the race, I tried to get rid of the line, “start your engines!” However, when I tried to remove each instance of the line through the audio channels, I realized that I was cutting out most of the audio channels. Which resulted in a very odd moment of near silence. I had to keep the quieter channels in so that the audio would sound louder, but it does seem weird that it can be heard (albeit quietly) through the rear speakers. I’d like to get rid of it entirely, but I also don’t want the audio to suddenly go quiet either. I have similar issues with the quietness of a few crossfades as well. Even when I use the +3db version (the loudest possible crossfade I have in my arsenal), there are still a few where you can hear things get quiet for a brief moment.

The only other issue I can think of is that I’m trying to work on recording an audio commentary. However, it’s turned out to be a lot harder than I expected since the sound quality happens to be really bad. I’m not sure what’s going on, but when my voice starts to go into higher pitches, the audio starts to have this weird echo-ey, ringing effect. I tried using the equalizer, but the best I can manage is to make my voice sound somewhat muffled, and even then, you can still hear the ring-y-ness anyway. Simply put, I have no idea how to fix it, and I’m kind of overwhelmed by the number of audio effects that are available. I can’t find the one that gets rid of it.

Again, I’m happy with the way my fanedit of episode I has turned out (although I’m getting a bit perfectionistic about the color grading). Still, it would be nice if I could fix those things for future updates to my edit. If you have some advice, I would love to implement it.

Hey Eyepainter

so in regards to ur audio commentary you say there is a “ringing” or buzz in ur track, this could be a result of a few things, mainly mic quality/room you are recording in/or possibly interface issues? did u try a different mic or recording device?

in regards to cutting audio out in spots like “start ur engine” the easiest way to deal with that in my opinion is take a part that has just ambient noise from the same section and just replace whatever u cut out with some abstact scene noise from another spot nearby. in the pod race scene there is a lot of ambience thru out the section… thats my first thought… if u are taking something away u have to replace that spot with other noise so u wont get the drop outs… might seem like the obvious thing to do but i believe in ur situation without doing a ton of work this would be the easiest way

if u need more advice happy to speak further

In regards to the commentary, I was afraid those problems were the cause. I live in an apartment that has a noisy wood pellet stove, and the microphone is a pretty cheap one. (only $30 on eBay.) I don’t have another mic lying around because buying another one is a lot of cash for my budget. (I did think about buying a blue yeti mic because I’ve heard good things about it, but $50 is a luxury for me.) I’ll see if I can find a different room in my apartment, and hope that changes the quality. But I have a pretty strong suspicion I got a bad mic.

I’ll take a look at your advice on finding some ambient noise, as well as HAL9000’s, and see if I come up with anything. It’s probably something as simple as copy and paste. And since my editing software is a highly professional one, there should be some feature on there I haven’t used before.

Okay, I’m a jerk. I’ve been so caught up with Christmas this week (and being with the family) that I didn’t get to work on tweaking the color grading. I’ve just worked on making the color grading more consistent and I’m going to do another test to see that everything’s been taken care of. If everything works out, I’ll be releasing v2. (Although I’m still disappointed that I wasn’t able to do the commentary track. I’m getting to it, and I’ll release that version as 2.1 when I can fix the audio quality.)

I have decided to release the changes that I have made to Episode II soon. (Hopefully, this weekend.) I’ve been trying not to reveal the changes because I feel like releasing them is final, but I’ve had no responses with the demo as of this post. At this point, trying to keep them a secret is pointless.

I’ll try to suffer through the theatrical cut of Episode II and write down all the changes I have made to the film in the future. It might take me a bit because my family is getting into the holiday season, but I’ll try to get my memory refreshed as soon as possible.

Good to have you on board, dude.

I have a fan edit of episode I that’s already been released (episodes II and III are still a work in progress), and most of my audio issues are minor. Still, any updates I can make to the edit, however small, are nice.

I’m editing on Davinci Resolve 16 in case it’s important. I’ve been able to fix most of my audio problems through crossfades and cutting out unwanted lines and sound effects (you’d be amazed how much more tolerable Jar Jar is without his sound effects). However, I’ve noticed a few instances, specifically with removed dialogue, where you can hear the audio get somewhat quieter whenever there’s a line or sound effect I’ve removed.

For example, because I’m a fan of l8wrtr’s edit of episode I, I wanted to do a similar thing in which I got rid of the sports commentators and their voices. At the beginning of the race, I tried to get rid of the line, “start your engines!” However, when I tried to remove each instance of the line through the audio channels, I realized that I was cutting out most of the audio channels. Which resulted in a very odd moment of near silence. I had to keep the quieter channels in so that the audio would sound louder, but it does seem weird that it can be heard (albeit quietly) through the rear speakers. I’d like to get rid of it entirely, but I also don’t want the audio to suddenly go quiet either. I have similar issues with the quietness of a few crossfades as well. Even when I use the +3db version (the loudest possible crossfade I have in my arsenal), there are still a few where you can hear things get quiet for a brief moment.

The only other issue I can think of is that I’m trying to work on recording an audio commentary. However, it’s turned out to be a lot harder than I expected since the sound quality happens to be really bad. I’m not sure what’s going on, but when my voice starts to go into higher pitches, the audio starts to have this weird echo-ey, ringing effect. I tried using the equalizer, but the best I can manage is to make my voice sound somewhat muffled, and even then, you can still hear the ring-y-ness anyway. Simply put, I have no idea how to fix it, and I’m kind of overwhelmed by the number of audio effects that are available. I can’t find the one that gets rid of it.

Again, I’m happy with the way my fanedit of episode I has turned out (although I’m getting a bit perfectionistic about the color grading). Still, it would be nice if I could fix those things for future updates to my edit. If you have some advice, I would love to implement it.

Make this the final scene in Return of the Jedi:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8DGDcUWN_sQ

Got my file exported and tested. Overall, the color grading turned out to be pretty much the same except for one difference. I reduced the reds, and I placed more emphasis on the greens. Surprisingly, this made the edit look more cinematic, especially during the Naboo scenes. It also made skin tones look better, specifically on Tattooine. I did notice some inconsistencies here and there, so I still have work to do, but I think it’s looking good.

NFBisms said:

I’m still stoked about this finishing this, but I’m pacing myself so that I don’t burn out like I did with NCC

As far as I’m concerned, anything that involves Cowboy Bebop is a winner in my book. Take care of yourself. Whatever ensures the completion of this edit works for me, even if that means protecting yourself from burnout.

NotTheDri0ds said:

Still working on patching up the edit, but I sorta randomly wanted to try redubbing the alien characters manually, instead of just reversing their dialogue and using that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bStCaO2sU4M

Not quite sure if I’ll do it for the full thing, it’d be a fair effort, but if it makes a good amount of difference I might, who knows.

Well, I like it.

Darn it. Resolve closed on me again while it was in the middle of exporting. I will try to test it out as soon as I possibly can, but I’m gonna be very busy this weekend. I’ll see if I can get it taken care of sometime next week.

Hal 9000 said:

I think he meant the YouTube clip, despite its name.

You’re right, but I still think it’s silly how he managed to associate the phrase “1080p announcement” to mean the youtube clip when it’s about Adywan’s 1080p update.

EvantheKidDS said:

Eyepainter said:

I’m not sure what else to say about this 1080p announcement other than this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

That’s not HD.

We’re talking about Adywan’s recent 1080p announcement, you stuck up, half-witted, scruffy-looking nerfherder!

I’m starting to get the hang of it with recording and editing the audio commentary. It’s imperfect, and I still have a long way to go, but I think the really hard stuff is taken care of.

Because of how long this commentary track is taking, I’m thinking that it might be a better idea to just release v2 as is, and when I’ve gotten the audio commentary done, I could simply release an upgraded version and call it v2.1, or something like that. I’ve just about gotten everything else finished for v2, so it seems ridiculous to delay it just for the commentary. I’ll be testing out v2 again tomorrow to check for any other issues that might have slipped past me. However, I have confidence that it’s ready (sans the commentary track).

I’m not sure what else to say about this 1080p announcement other than this:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

Cut the endings of all 9 movies in half (for example, just after Darth Vader’s “join me and together we will rule the galaxy…” line from Empire), and replace the end credits with this feline.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8neMZv1bm1A

On a different note, I want to give a very special thank you to bryantmh for the AI upscaled deleted scenes. I said I was having issues because some of the deleted scenes I got from HAL9000 weren’t upscaled (you can see them in the demo, by the way). Bryantmh’s are upscaled, and I will be replacing the HAL scenes with the bryantmh scenes for this edit. If you want to see what kind of quality to expect, here’s a link to bryantmh’s post, which features a few screenshots:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/Info-AI-Upscaling-of-Deleted-Scenes-and-other-content/id/75020

Of the screenshots, the only one that will be in my edit of Episode II is the extended Anakin and Padme conversation scene. I will be using 4 other deleted scenes as well, but there are no screenshots for those. You can rest assured though, that I have looked over them myself and they look marvelous.

bryantmh said:

Also, if anyone needs versions of the deleted scenes with audio attached, let me know. I’ve figured some things out that precluded me from doing that for the versions currently up.

Since the deleted scenes I have for my episode II fanedit are in pretty sad shape, I’d love to get these upscales. Can I PM you?

Yeah. The audio commentary is taking a lot longer than I expected. Turns out, I’m a moron when it comes to recording audio. I’m still learning about how all the different sound and audio features work in resolve, and I’ve only recorded the first 5 minutes or so. Be patient, folks. I’m still figuring this out. If it makes you happy, the audio commentary is the last thing I need to take care of for v2. Once it’s done, v2 will be ready for release.

Just started work on the sound. Most of it is just simple crossfades around some of the more obvious cuts. I will probably start color grading as soon as I’m done with the crossfades.

As for feedback, I haven’t gotten any responses yet, so I haven’t made any new cuts. I’m beginning to warm up to the idea of announcing the changes I’ve made, but I want to wait a bit and get a reaction or two from the demo before I make that decision. I’d rather compile a final list than an incomplete list. But I am considering releasing the list of changes soon.

SparkySywer said:

Might delete this if I regret posting it

(not my video but this would probably take the cake for the worst edit idea)

Please do not delete it. I’m probably going to hell for watching it, but at least I’m going there laughing.

NotTheDri0ds said:

Honestly, not sure there is a way to make Yarell Poof more visible, the pre existing bloom and low quality of the DVD I use as a source kinda doom him to an eternity of being impossible to make out if I even think about touching the highlights, lol.

I understand. It’s not just DVD quality that is vulnerable to that problem. I used a 1080p transfer for my edit and even with the emmy award winning color grading features of davinci resolve, the shot where the droid army arrives at the Naboo palace was so bright that I was unable to show off the details. I don’t know why that is, but it happens. Maybe I’m just a noob at color grading.