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#1308596
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STAR WARS: Episode 7 & 8 [Trilogy enhancement]
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Anjohan said:

I agree on all these things, yes, except the fact that his presence does not hype him up. There i completely disagree.

Having him as a commanding presence in hologram form - three times, during TFA, sets him up as the main antagonist by far. He is commanding both Kylo Ren and General Hux. He is known in the ways of the force (this already sets him up to be a Sith of some sort). And even worse, we have not yet seen him in his physical form. The audience almost DEMAND to see him in the next film, this time in the flesh. In other words, The Force Awakens sets him up for BIG REVEALS and an even more commanding presence. Also, the parallels to The Emperor is uncanny.

You make good points, I do remember the “Is he really that tall?” etc questions popping up. Would only mentioning him not also build up the hype? I’m not sure but I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

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#1308542
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STAR WARS: Episode 7 & 8 [Trilogy enhancement]
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Anjohan said:

Removing Snoke is also to make Kylo the main baddie, to not hype up “The new emperor” before his death in TLJ - and therefore not disappointing the audience upon Snoke’s death in TLJ as much as it did. His TLJ death will now not be as devestating to the overall plot (because he was now not foreshadowed to be the main baddie).

I don’t think that it was his presence that hyped Snoke up. I mean, why didn’t Yoda sence this extra dark side presence at any point? What was he doing during episodes 1-6? He is stronger than Palatine (apparently)? All of these questions (and I’m sure more) are what hyped him up, not how much he was in TFA.

If Snoke was just some rich evil guy from the outer rim that saw his chance at building up his own empire by offering his wealth (cut out his force abilities), it would have all worked.

This would have told us where all their funding is coming from, Kylo and Hux would still have seen him as their boss and his death in TLJ wouldn’t of been an issue. Kylo would of had all the funding they needed by that point and his continued presence wouldn’t have added to the story any further. His lack of force abilities wouldn’t have set the audience up to think he was “the final boss” either.

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#1302373
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OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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Cadavra said:

Correction: Temura saying “as you wish” is from the Bounty Hunter video game, not Battlefront. It definitely sounds better than the 2004 DVD version, but I’m not sure how easy it would be to isolate from the rest of the audio.

https://youtu.be/MPGmcYhHJE4?t=537

You were correct the first time. Last line in the video.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=mhzyQcQSu1M

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#1302142
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OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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Ive made a small list of some other things that could be fixed. Ill probably have a shot at them all at some point.

ANH

Obi Wan forgets R2. A few line removals would fix it. I think he even calls R2 ‘friend’ so I think it works without those lines.

“I haven’t gone by the name Obi-Wan since oh, before you were born.” Untrue in context to the prequels.

“For over a thousand generations the Jedi Knights were the guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic.” A few times in the prequels it is stated that the Republic is only 1000 YEARS old, not generations. Can just cut out “For over a thousand generations”.

“A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights.” Is this right? Anakin HELPED the Empire? This makes it sound that the Empire was around before Anakin joined. No?

"General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars. Now he begs you to help him in his struggle against the Empire.” Did Obi Wan serve Bail Organa? Not sure…

“Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.” Han says a few things about how he doesnt believe jedi/the force exists. It works great in the originals alone but he would of been born around the time of Order 66 surely? If not then soon after. Seems a bit off.

ESB
Yoda: “You are reckless!”
Ben: “So was I, if you’ll remember.”
While we dont get to see Obi Wans youngest years, in context to the prequels, this doesnt appear to be true. Nothing that Obi Wan does seems reckless at all. Ive removed that “so was I” line but I have no idea what Ben could say instead.
https://vimeo.com/368747602

ROTJ
“I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi." Ben says at least one line here to Luke on Degoba that is untrue in context to the prequels. Not sure about the line that I quoted, Qui Gin requested it. I think Ben also states that Anakin was a great pilot when he met him. This is closer to being untrue.

Cadavra said:

Temuera also has quite a few Fett lines in the Battlefront games, including “As you wish” and “worth a fortune to me,” which sound a bit less phoned-in than the lines he recorded for the 2004 DVD.

I didnt know that Temuera Morrison did those voices but your right. I might have to check that out.

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#1301952
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OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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RogueLeader said:

I don’t think that is necessary. 3PO looks different from how he looked when he saw him over twenty years ago, and he 3PO never identifies himself to Owen. The only thing you can say they have in common is their voice. Maybe the protocol droid on Bespin that 3PO runs into could also have Anthony Daniels’ voice, implying that is a common protocol droid voice.

Yeah, your right. I just watched the scene again. For some reason I remembered 3PO introducing himself by name. Would make sense that he doesn’t recognise him from their conversation.

Owen: “I have no need for a protocol droid.”
3PO: “Of course you havent, sir. Not in an environment such as this.”

Maybe remove these lines since they actually did use a protocol droid in that exact same environment? I guess you could make the case that they only had him because Shmi brought him along for sentimental reasons.

Octorox said:

Good effort on the Yoda clip, but I think his inflection makes it sound odd to end the sentence there. I think “A Jedi master who instructed me” is fine personally.

Thanks. That inflection was worse originally and I did my best to fix it. Ah well, it was an idea.

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#1301937
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OT Edits to Fit the PT and/or the Larger Saga (A Resource Thread, Hopefully)
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An alternative to Ben on Hoth that I quickly made up. I used Hals change of “the” to “a”.
“There you will learn from Yoda, a Jedi Master.”
https://vimeo.com/368321068

Has anyone ever tried to fix Owen not recognising 3PO in 4? With 3PO having his memory wiped in 3, 3PO would still introduce himself to Owen. Maybe during this, Owen would butt in saying “3PO?” or something. Im not sure what lines are available. 3PO would respond with “Oh…” in confusion. Not really thought too much into this.

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#1283400
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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@marduk666

1 Rose Finn and Rey’s escape
1a That is a good idea, much better than rey somehow boarding the falcon. Good
1b Dont think chewie alone would work, falcon needs someone in the gunner seat to shoot. Unless your suggesting that no one shoots from the falcon. Or… if you really want to put Finn in the gunner seat using footage from force awakens. But youd have to remove him from inside the base & maybe need a shot of him getting on? Its just an idea being thrown out. I dunno.
1c Not much to comment on this. Not really sure how this improves anything?

2 Yes. Should be easy to do? Just add a raising hand in a closeup shot right before the first blast hits.
2b Not sure how this improves anything ether but might be good/needed if events were rearranged.
2c Would be cool but not too fussed on it. Id be happy with him just leaving the island on the falcon & remove him from the shot of him watching the falcon fly away. If he arrived on the x-wing, how would we see him land and get out?

3 Starkiller base
3a. I like the linking of story, sequel trilogy needs it. Jedda is sand, Starkiller is snow though? Am I misunderstanding?
3b Yes to this.

4 Personally, Im thinking of having the falcon being tracked from as soon as they escape jakku and the first order follows them directly to the resistance base. This is where they meet Han, at the base, still a general. This obviously cuts a huge amount of TFA out but cut footage would be re-purposed for somewhere else.

Can I possibly throw out something else I would like to see redone? The whole beginning of TFA. As fun as it is, its completely ridiculous. Coincidence after coincidence. I dont know how to fix it but maybe others might have ideas. BB8 leaves the village, could go in any direction, 360 degrees, happens to meet Rey. Finns first mission happens to also be when they capture Poe. Finn leaves the crash site, could go in any direction, 360 degrees, happens to meet BB8 & Rey. Falcon happens to have been stolen and ends up on the planet and in the village that Reys on. Hans been looking for falcon for years and yet finds it now, when he needs to meet the heroes. Large ship that Han pulls in falcon with is now no longer needed, bad guys happen to show up to force Han to abandon it. Han has a choice to go straight to the resistance, republic or ANY of his friends and yet takes Rey to the lightsaber which he didnt even know was there.

Am I the only one that sees this as just terrible writing? I feel like im missing other coincidences.

Edit: Also, Kylo, knowing the map is in the area, takes Poe to the ship and tortures him, just so that they have to go back down to jakku. Makes no sense and is only done so that Poe and Finn can escape.

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#1278370
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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RogueLeader said:

Also wanted to say despite my disagreements with OP and some others, I’m glad you guys feel like this is a pretty positive environment to discuss stuff. I might argue with people on here every once in a while, but it is all in good faith and I enjoy talking about it with you all!

Exactly. Nothing wrong with a friendly debate. 😃

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#1278342
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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DominicCobb said:

DougieP said:

screams in the void said:

to be fair , the film makers actually acknowledge in The Last Jedi that Rey’s powers are not the norm . Snoke says to Kylo , "you were unbalanced , bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber "!

The film makers do but, more importantly, the characters within the film don’t. For example Yoda trained jedi for years, including Luke. Very difficult task but Rey doesn’t need any at all. Yet Yoda doesn’t say “Amazing this is. Need to watch her we do. This much power, pull her to the dark side it can” or anything like that at all. No one bats an eye as if this is the norm.

Have you seen the film?

JEDIT: I’m sorry, it occurred to me the line I’m thinking of is in the trailer as well

Yes, 3 times. I had to rack my brain to realise what you are talking about. You mean Luke, right? “I’ve seen this raw strength only once before in Ben Solo. It didn’t scare me enough then. It does now.” I guess your right, you got me there.

I guess i’m just looking for more. Outside of this line its not addressed (your probably going to correct me again here?) at least not to the extent that I would expect. For example, my partner has no idea at all how to drive a car. Not a single thing. I had to tell her what a clutch was for a while back. If I put her in a Formula 1 car she wouldn’t be able to win the race. If she did though, imagine how insane that would be. Everyone would be chatting about it.

Rey is very similar to this. Picking up the lightsaber (it started before this actually) and just wins and wins. Its a very different way of becoming a master that we have never seen before. Even the “chosen one” needed training. Why wasn’t there are conversation about it between Yoda and Luke? It doesn’t seem like LF are going to address it ether.

The only way I can possibly think on how to explain this whole thing is that Snoke was Darth Plagueis. Plagueis could bring people back to life/create life, he created Anakin as he had no dad. Snoke/Plagueis found a way to bring himself back to life in the afterworld. Because he is even more powerful now, he can create the chosen one 2.0 - Rey. Thats the only explanation i can come up with to explain all of this.

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#1278340
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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screams in the void said:

to be fair , the film makers actually acknowledge in The Last Jedi that Rey’s powers are not the norm . Snoke says to Kylo , "you were unbalanced , bested by a girl who never held a lightsaber "!

The film makers do but, more importantly, the characters within the film don’t. For example Yoda trained jedi for years, including Luke. Very difficult task but Rey doesn’t need any at all. Yet Yoda doesn’t say “Amazing this is. Need to watch her we do. This much power, pull her to the dark side it can” or anything like that at all. No one bats an eye as if this is the norm.

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#1278076
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Can't be Bothered: justifying Rey's power vs Luke's
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KurganX said:

DougieP said:

Yes to all of this. Very deflated by the ST and probably gonna skip 9. 6 was a good ending.

Probably just going to stick with Dave Filonis work from now on. He seems to get it. The GOT guys might make something good too.

I never gave GOT a chance, partly because I needlessly ignore any popular hyped tv series (Lost, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Walking Dead), but also because it struck me as a low-rent LOTR that was trying way too hard to be edgy and iconoclastic (there’s a reason LOTR is still beloved, and it’s not because its fans are gullible, racist or stupid). People love it though… I personally can’t wait until its over and I can stop hearing about it. 😉 Being a hard-core jaded cynical curmudgeon ain’t easy!

That they will keep making Star Wars movies forever is understandable. Who can say “no” to all of that money? But I’d rather it die than keep going down the drain like this (and foster a toxic divided fandom as well). To me the stories of these movies would have been better as video games or comics than as legit “canon” installment in the film saga. They’re just the sort of thing you’d expect as a convenient excuse to insert the player into the action and do stuff within the universe that you wanted.

Never watched it myself ether but according to some news sites, the GoT guys agree that Star Wars is currently “lacking decent storytelling” so thats promising.

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#1258881
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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ChainsawAsh said:

DougieP said:

yotsuya said:

I can see this. Abrams originally was handling the first film more like a series pilot - he was not expecting to come back and expected others to continue the story. So I can see where he and Kennedy would have plotted the arc of the trilogy. And we know some things were held over from George’s version. I think the course of IX was set during the production of TFA, though the details of the story were up to whoever did it. I hope at some point we get to find out what plot points were set at what time. It would amuse me to find out that some of the plot points in TLJ that people are so pissed about came from Lucas or Abrams.

It has been clearly stated by KK that she threw out Georges plans for the ST. Rj also confirmed that there were no plans at all for the ST moving forward after 7. Its all online. If needed, I can get links.

Fake news. They weren’t thrown out completely. They ditched some of the most ridiculous stuff (like doubling down on midichlorians with his version of the Whills), yeah, but the broad strokes regarding Luke are the same, just pushed back to VIII. I’m willing to bet more stuff will be revealed in the coming years about his outlines that will either show A) they were still more or less adhered to the way the Luke stuff was more or less adhered to, or B) they were so vague and sketchy beyond the stupid Whills/midichlorians stuff that they really couldn’t be used.

Specific quotes from the article I linked:

basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7

30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet.

the initial plan for Star Wars: Episode 7 was that Luke, over the course of that movie, would rediscover his vitality and train this new Jedi.

The new Jedi was:

a new disciple named Kira (who was later renamed Rey)

And as for why Luke’s stuff was pushed back to VIII from VII:

Everyone realized that Luke Skywalker would better serve the needs of the story as the person that everyone seeks but does not find until the final scene of The Force Awakens. This allowed Han Solo more time as the mentor of the story

And if you really wanted Lucas’ full plans for the sequel trilogy, well, from George himself…

[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force. … Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we are just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in … we’re vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.

I don’t think that sounds any better than anything in TFA or TLJ. Do you? Really?

Yes, I agree that you are right in a few of your statements but definitely not all. I can easily argue against most of your arguments but don’t want to derail the convo from the subject of the topic (9 spoiler discussion). If you want to elsewhere, then sure, I enjoy debate. Whether it be in PM or public. But just to latch onto your last question, no, I dont believe that what has happened is better.

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#1258871
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General Star Wars Questions
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SilverWook said:

Presumably she did some things that were illegal even by Old Republic standards. Streaking is still a crime no matter who’s running the galaxy. 😛

Thanks for your answer but im looking for a more provable explanation. I don’t think the Rebels would mind their own troops resisting arrest by the empire as it would only help themselves. To be more clear, im thinking of cutting this outrage over her being a criminal in my fanedit as I see no reason for them to think this way.

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#1258869
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Episode IX: The Rise Of Skywalker - Discussion * <strong><em>SPOILER THREAD</em></strong> *
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yotsuya said:

I can see this. Abrams originally was handling the first film more like a series pilot - he was not expecting to come back and expected others to continue the story. So I can see where he and Kennedy would have plotted the arc of the trilogy. And we know some things were held over from George’s version. I think the course of IX was set during the production of TFA, though the details of the story were up to whoever did it. I hope at some point we get to find out what plot points were set at what time. It would amuse me to find out that some of the plot points in TLJ that people are so pissed about came from Lucas or Abrams.

It has been clearly stated by KK that she threw out Georges plans for the ST. Rj also confirmed that there were no plans at all for the ST moving forward after 7. Its all online. If needed, I can get links.

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#1258865
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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fmalover said:

It’s been established that exerting your Force powers too much could be potentially lethal…

I guess what your saying is dependant on whether or not your personal cannon includes the sequel trilogy. If yes then cool but for me this is not possible. Yoda states that using the force is a matter of will, not physical strength.

LUKE
Master, moving stones around is one thing. This is totally different.

YODA
No! No different! Only different in your mind. You must unlearn what you have learned.

Luke would never die from using the force as you cant die from willpower. If my will was that I was a billionaire, I wouldn’t die from it.

Everyone was annoyed when George changed how the force works in the PT, but Disney has now changed it again to something totally different and no one cares. The prequels version of the force and midiclorians is far closer to Georges OT version of the force than Disneys version is. Yet “the PT changed it so its bad!! ST is great though”

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#1258860
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General Star Wars Questions
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Rogue One. Jyn gets told a list of her crimes after busting her out of imperial prison (cant remember them off the top of my head but one of them is “resisting arrest”). This is ok I guess, they are just reminding her of what imperial laws she has broken to warrant her arrest by said imperials. Later, however, during the discussion on whether to believe her or not about her fathers message, they say something along the lines of “why should we believe this criminal?” surely it doesn’t matter to them that she broken imperial law? Can anyone give a good explanation?

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#1258638
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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fmalover said:

Since many of you have discussed how Rey is so OP in the Force I’d like to say you know which character should have been portrayed as having Rey’s talents with the Force? Anakin Skywalker.

Think about it. Throughout the OT both Obi-Wan and Yoda talk about how strong Anakin was with the Force, but once the prequels were done we never actually saw him do anything particularly impressive with the Force. All we see him do is move stuff around and do pretty ordinary stuff with the Force. Anakin should have been the one shown doing all the things Rey does without breaking a sweat, like instinctively Force pushing enemies to defend himself, or telekinetically pulling a lightsaber towards his hand and instantly knowing how to wield it, much like Rey does in TFA.

Yes but if Anakin was like Rey then he would be able to do everything and have no struggles at all. I dont think thats what George was going for, nor do I like the idea. There needs to be some level of tension.

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#1258132
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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SilverWook said:

Luke was wounded, and probably slowly freezing to death. And you try Force pulling your saber with the blood rushing to your head! 😉

Lol yeah you are right again, and I will fully admit that. But that doesn’t change my mind that I feel like Disneys version of force users are far too powerful and learn too quickly. Like I said, Rey learns all of Lukes/Anakins skills in 1 film, unlike their 3. Rey already beat Kylo in the first film, there is no tension at all for the final film. Ether she will beat him yet again or Kylo will just say “yeah, being bad is bad” and become good. They could have made Reys powers work. For example, Snoke could have been Darth Pleagusus, he learned how to bring others back to life, now his own. He made Anakin 2.0 - Rey. So insanely powerful that she can do everything really quickly and needs no training. But this doesnt correct the issue that there is no tension at all. Thats the whole point in NOT making your jedi godlike. It ruins the tension. What I also find funny is that the other characters dont even act like this is a first. The most insanely powerful force user ever but Yoda and Luke arnt fussed.

On top of this, and I know that this is irrelevant to our convo, but they constantly crack jokes at the bad guys and, as a viewer, I cant help but feel the same. They are to be laughed at. For example, before 7 was out I thought Kylo looked daft but when I seen him in movie form, at the beginning of the film, with the voice, attitude etc I realised that I was wrong. Buuuut…then Poe mocks him and, as a viewer, my perception of the bad guy comes from how the heros feel about him. Kylo is a good bad guy for 2 mins and then he is a joke for the entire sequel trilogy. Beaten, joked and mocked about multiple times.

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#1258120
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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SilverWook said:

All broom boy did was levitate a broom. It’s been implied Luke was subconsciously tapping into the Force which helped his piloting skills on Tatooine before he was even aware of it. Ditto for young Anakin. That’s not instant knowledge of the Force.

When the Jedi went looking for Force sensitive kids, I imagine levitating small light objects is one of the tells. Another child might display precognitive abilities. Still another might be a great pod racer. They would be pretty hard to find otherwise.

Yeah I get all that. The problem I find with it is that Luke clearly struggled to get his lightsaber, far older than broom boy who pulls the broom towards him without a care. Also Reys first ever lift with heavy objects (the boulders) is done with ease. That was deffinetly not something that Luke taught her. Rey did everything that Luke did throught the whole OT in just TFA. Then we are to belive that she is going to Luke for training?

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#1258115
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The Usual Sequel Radical Redux Ideas Thread (Radical Ideas Welcome).
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Hope you all dont mind me jumping in here. There is an idea that I had ages ago that might mesh well with some of these other ideas. I actual have a rough cut of this and it works well. Might properly start this project after 9 comes out and I can get a better grip on how the mashup will go. Anyway:

Episode 7 - Have most of the opening of TFA as it is (until i can think of something else) up until Rey and Finn escape Jakku with BB8, ties destroyed. BB8 tells them where their base is and they go straight there. Destroyer is still over Jakku (we know this from Finn and Pow escaping said destroyer, ties came from it too). Snoke is angry at Hux, says that they are "tied to the end of a string. They get to the rebel base and thats when Han enters the falcon so, basically, Han is still a general and fighting. No reset of his character arc.

Its from here that Rey speaks to Maz about Lukes lightsaber. Less coincidental that the rebels have the saber and the “Mazs castle planet” actually blends well with the “rebel base planet” (lucky that Disney only do wood, snow and desert planets). Like I said, I have tested this and it works but needed a little bit of background replacement. Rey now needs to go to Luke (due to now having a map to the jedi temple) but getting an explanation in there that Leia isnt going is tough. May be because the First Order attacks and she needs to stay to do commander stuff. Not sure, its shot too calmly. Anyway, this is how the “tied to the end of a string” line fits. They tracked the falcon there. They now have to escape and the film merges from 7 into 8. Rey starts training with Luke and the Rebels are forced down to crait. Movie ends during training with Rey.

Episode 8 - A few days have gone by while the First Order regather their troups for an assault on crait (not sure I like this, too close to Ep5. Maybe remove those half broken speeders). Because of the regroup of the first order, Rey has trained for the same length of time. Rey and Luke now go to crait together.

Theres a lot of edited out scenes that can be used later but will have to see what can be done when 9 is out. If I can get the movies to be 1.5 hous ill be happy. Might have to rethink the whole thing but i WILL be doing something like this. Will require quite a bit of VFX work though.

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#1258109
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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Mavimao said:

I honestly think the new makers want to re-shape the whole Force-training aspect of the original/prequel trilogy in order to move the narrative of new stories along faster.

Instead of having every new Force sensitive person having to dedicate a chunk of his or her life training (and thus taking up narrative time as well), we can do an X-Men-esque “awakening” in which characters are given raw powers but need guidance on what to do with those powers (so with great power comes great responsibility etc).

I understand fans’ frustrations with Rey’s sudden abilities, but did we really need another training montage?

No, we dont need another training montage but there are tons of ways around it. Have the training happen in between films, just like the OT & PT did, its been done before. You could even do it like they did in the Clone Wars TV show. Ahsoka was already trained to use her powers (assumed by Yoda - see Ep2) but when passed onto Anakin to continue her training, all she needed was “guidance on what to do with those powers” - exactly like you said. Story doesn’t have to slow down at all for the sake of training.

With all these insane new powers and instant knowledge on how to use them (including broom boy), jedi are starting to feel more like gods and Luke, under Disney cannon, is now the weakest jedi that ever lived with how much he struggled. Even Anakin “the chosen one” had it rough.

RogueLeader said:

Regardless, I think going through that process made me really think about what those movies were trying to say, and in the end it made me appreciate the prequels we already have even more. And while the movies clearly have problems (enter fan edits), I love the overall story they tell.

Maybe you won’t ever come around on the new films, and if you ever want to talk about them with me I would be happy to share my opinion, but I think for all of the people it is just going to take time for them to really get into them. I’m not saying they’re perfect, I’m over on the fan edit threads all the time trying to think of ways to improve them, but I think the overall story fits appropriately with the saga as a whole.

I personally love the prequels but yes, they do have a bunch of issues. BUT like you say, you love the story, even though the execution was off. However, I dont see much of a story in the sequel trilogy except from “We are bad and you are good. Lets fight!”. 7 isnt connected well to 6 (no, I shouldnt have to read 3 books to know whats going on) and 7 & 8 dont connect well ether. There is no narrative that links each together. When watching 2 & 5 for the first time, you somewhat knew what to expect story wise. Ep8 cuts away from 7 and yet sets nothing at all up by the end of it that literally ANYTHING could happen in 9 due to a lack of overarching story. Of course, some may like this and thats fine.

If I ever do start warming up the the sequels, it would have to be through a fan edit that massively overhauled the story and, unfortunately, that seems only possible through title crawls and/or reshuffling scenes & doing background replacement in order to create a totally different narrative. Been thinking a lot about this actually.

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#1257816
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your thoughts: Did Disney kill star wars because it sounds like they did with the last jedi solo and resistance.
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NeverarGreat said:

I think TLJ is divisive precisely because it seemed to be crafted to cater to those who found no interest in TFA. Everything set up in the Force Awakens, from the map to Luke to Hux and Snoke, to the Knights of Ren and Rey’s history, are all either ignored or confirmed as narrative dead-ends to be used at face value and then discarded. It is not that this makes TLJ bad. On the contrary, taken in isolation it works well.

I mostly agree with this. TFA was amazing in the cinema but after getting it on DVD, I came to the realisation what a bad film it was. Aside from the fact that its ANH again, the first half of the film is just a string of insane coincidences that get everyone to where they need to go. Not only that but its barely linked to 6 at all, like there is a film missing in between and, presumably, just so that they can do ANH again. Though, I admit that a few of the setups might of paid off so I was still interested. R1 was ok.

I walked out of TLJ on the day that it opened and it killed my love of SW for a long time. Ive only recently just started watching the films again. Aside from Luke trying to murder someone is their sleep, he abandoned his friends, causing one of them to die. Kylo went to the dark side, murdered TONS of innocents and blew up planets because his uncle tried to murder him? Character motivation flips constantly, the plot felt like a filler episode of TCW TV show and there are a few violations to cannon. Yes, people can disagree with me on this last one but its my opinion. Weaponizing hyperspace and allowing force ghosts, who can pop up whenever and wherever they want, the power to destroy things with lightning was a terrible idea. Yoda was goofy like the way in ESB to test Lukes patience, not his actual self and the list goes on…

NeverarGreat said:

But TFA was the start of a very different story, and to follow it with this is like forcing the pieces of two different puzzles together. It doesn’t matter if Rian’s oil painting is better than the crayon imitation of Star Wars from JJ, when put together it still results in a royal mess.

This.

I also dont want the mystery of Hans backstory explained to me ether. Sometimes the mystery is better than the actual answers. Will never watch.