I can see this. Abrams originally was handling the first film more like a series pilot - he was not expecting to come back and expected others to continue the story. So I can see where he and Kennedy would have plotted the arc of the trilogy. And we know some things were held over from George’s version. I think the course of IX was set during the production of TFA, though the details of the story were up to whoever did it. I hope at some point we get to find out what plot points were set at what time. It would amuse me to find out that some of the plot points in TLJ that people are so pissed about came from Lucas or Abrams.
It has been clearly stated by KK that she threw out Georges plans for the ST. Rj also confirmed that there were no plans at all for the ST moving forward after 7. Its all online. If needed, I can get links.
Fake news. They weren’t thrown out completely. They ditched some of the most ridiculous stuff (like doubling down on midichlorians with his version of the Whills), yeah, but the broad strokes regarding Luke are the same, just pushed back to VIII. I’m willing to bet more stuff will be revealed in the coming years about his outlines that will either show A) they were still more or less adhered to the way the Luke stuff was more or less adhered to, or B) they were so vague and sketchy beyond the stupid Whills/midichlorians stuff that they really couldn’t be used.
Specific quotes from the article I linked:
basically, what we got from the Rey/Luke storyline in The Last Jedi was initially supposed to be the bones for George Lucas’ Episode 7
30 years after the fall of the Empire, Luke had gone to a dark place and secluded himself in a Jedi temple on a new planet.
the initial plan for Star Wars: Episode 7 was that Luke, over the course of that movie, would rediscover his vitality and train this new Jedi.
The new Jedi was:
a new disciple named Kira (who was later renamed Rey)
And as for why Luke’s stuff was pushed back to VIII from VII:
Everyone realized that Luke Skywalker would better serve the needs of the story as the person that everyone seeks but does not find until the final scene of The Force Awakens. This allowed Han Solo more time as the mentor of the story
And if you really wanted Lucas’ full plans for the sequel trilogy, well, from George himself…
[The next three Star Wars films] were going to get into a microbiotic world. But there’s this world of creatures that operate differently than we do. I call them the Whills. And the Whills are the ones who actually control the universe. They feed off the Force. … Back in the day, I used to say ultimately what this means is we are just cars, vehicles, for the Whills to travel around in … we’re vessels for them. And the conduit is the midi-chlorians. The midi-chlorians are the ones that communicate with the Whills. The Whills, in a general sense, they are the Force.
I don’t think that sounds any better than anything in TFA or TLJ. Do you? Really?
Yes, I agree that you are right in a few of your statements but definitely not all. I can easily argue against most of your arguments but don’t want to derail the convo from the subject of the topic (9 spoiler discussion). If you want to elsewhere, then sure, I enjoy debate. Whether it be in PM or public. But just to latch onto your last question, no, I dont believe that what has happened is better.