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#1351842
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The Rise of Skywalker: Ascendant
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Hey Hal, do you have any interest in using the Kylo vs Vader vision to beef up Mustafar? I know it is from a fan film, but it is pretty damn cinematic and Darthycey did a pretty solid job of making it work in the context of the scene.

I figure it’ll be a bit too fanedit-y to use in your cut but I’ll take anything that slows this movie down a bit and provides some entertainment value. Plus, it gives us some manifestation of a pay off for all the on and off again affection that Ren shows towards Vader’s helmet. You’d have a motivation for Kylo to glue his mask back together rather than that whole thing seeming out of nowhere and there’s the “Every voice you have ever heard inside your head” line a few scenes after too which would ultimately provide explanation for why the scene is relevant. I figure it won’t make the cut, but it was worth an ask! ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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#1350884
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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DarthYcey said:

RogueLeader said:

Random idea regarding Palpatine:

One gripe I’ve heard people bring up before is Palpatine committing the “Evil Gloating” trope when he tells Rey that if she kills him, his spirit will pass into her.

Palpatine: You want to kill me. That is what I want. Kill me, and my spirit will pass into you, as all the Sith live in me.

This may have been suggested before, but I was thinking this line could be moved to Kylo’s first scene with Palpatine, replacing Palpatine response after one of these two lines:

Kylo: I killed Snoke. I’ll kill you.

or

Kylo: You’ll die first.

I personally think it would fit better to replace Palpatine repeating the “to cheat death” line that doesn’t do anything beyond being a callback. Either way, I think this change would accomplish a few things. First, we get a stronger explanation and understanding of Palpatine’s true nature and means of survival at the beginning of the film rather than the end. Second, it provides a good reason for why Kylo didn’t just immediately kill him. And third, it creates dramatic irony during the climax, because we know what is at stake if Rey kills Palpatine, but she doesn’t. So hopefully the audience would react by thinking, “No no no, Rey, don’t do it he’ll possess you!”

RL, this is brilliant. I liked the idea so much I did a quick test. The timing for the Kylo part is perfect, and most of Palpatine is obscured anyway so you can pretty much put in whatever dialogue you want there and not have to worry about the lip movements matching:

https://vimeo.com/424408915
fanedit

Out of curiosity, I also rendered a clip of the Rey section with those lines removed and it works pretty well here too. Since Palpatine mentions Rey’s hatred in the next scene, cutting it here and leading into the empress line makes me not even miss the moved dialogue over to the Kylo scene. (P.S.- It’s not Rey ‘Palpatine’ in this version)

https://vimeo.com/424408966
fanedit

Exceptional creativity, man. This really does change some motivations, as you stated previously. Plus, it removes the prequel redundancy dialogue, which you really don’t need if you show Palpatine in the clone tanks. I don’t miss the callback at all by making the change. Well done.

JEDIT: It’s also interesting that going this route makes Kylo the true vessel. Palpatine has been grooming him for quite a while, but Kylo doesn’t want to be taken over, so he decides he’ll take Palps up on his offer instead…more ships, more power…all he has to do is kill the girl who is a threat to them both (and Palps would likely betray him later). This simple dialogue switch sets up motivations now for a good chunk of the movie and eliminates the silliness of Palpatine wanting Rey to kill him at the end of the film, seemingly out of the blue after he’s wanted her dead the whole movie. Now, we know much earlier why he wants this and that Rey is now Plan B with Kylo taken off the Sith board. Genius…

Wow, those concepts were executed and worked better than I could have imagined! Love how it takes out the redundant RotS line and how it brings those aspects of the Emperor to the front of the film.

On an unrelated note, I really enjoyed your Vader battle with Kylo Ren clip, that was very well integrated into the overall scene and I think it would be a great addition to the movie. Please go through with making the fully realized version of that moment. Even if not many edits would use it, I would certainly add it to my own definitive cut of the film.

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#1349805
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For TRoS Edits: Dialogue for the Knights of Ren! Come help!
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I love this! Totally does a lot to make the KoR even the slightest bit more interesting, which adds a lot. Even if it is only a few lines, I could see this adding that “Boba Fett” appeal to the characters. I like the voice a lot, too. My favorites go as follows.

  1. The first option is my favorite, as it sets up the teeth line best.
  2. I like the Palpatine option, to keep his villainous presence constant in the film. They have enough personal character beats in the other clips.
  3. I liked the traitorous scum bit.
  4. Join your father is dark and great. I like the allusions to them being his old buddies and saying Ben.
  5. I think what how is the only one that really works there.
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#1341460
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Anakin Starkiller said:

Okay so I think we all agree introducing Palpatine at the start of TRoS was a mistake. But what are the alternatives?

  1. Introduce Palpatine at the end of TLJ.

  2. Introduce Palpatine at the end of TRoS.

  3. No Palpatine at all (good luck).

Most of these options have been explored, but I haven’t heard anyone consider moving his reveal to the end of the film. Cut all of Kylo’s scenes at the start, and change the Resistance dialog to refer to Palpatine as dead when they talk of his fleet. Then Rey shows up on Exegol and guess who she finds?

To me, the seeds of Palpatine need to be rooted very early in the trilogy. I know it is a very “fanedit” thing, but I’ve always thought the best way would be to have Snoke talk in an ancient Sith dialect with subtitles. Establish it from his very first appearance that he is more of a Sith prophet than Kylo’s actual master. He should motivate Kylo’s journey by alluding to a “sacred army being forged” that he is destined to lead, and that he will be the essential part of the “dark lord’s” plan. Plenty of Palp teasing. Then, end TLJ on the cliffhanger of the first Palpatine scene.

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#1321870
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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Not to be dismissive, but I don’t love the clone idea for the sheer fact that nobody in the movie ever talks about clones. It feels like such an arbitrary change to me to then have an entire movie after the reveal that thematically and through character dialogue completely ignores the idea of cloning or Rey being a clone. It would just feel way too incomplete and way too much like a fanedit for my tastes.

Say what you will about Rey Palpatine, but atleast there is material there to work with.

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#1320654
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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RogueLeader said:

Thanks for brainstorming. If you removed any healing at all before Ben resurrects Rey, then I think it would feel out of left field, because nothing before that point would’ve shown Ben had that ability.

Since we see Rey use the power twice, and once on Ben himself, we can assume Ben learned how to do it too, just like Rey learned how to influence minds when Kylo tried to force Rey to show him the map in TFA.

I do think some more set up to elements in TROS would be nice, though. For example, I think it would be interesting if there was more set up to the Dyad concept. Kylo says, “Dyad” in TFA, and you probably can make Snoke say, “Dyad” somehow too, or if you dub him like you suggested. I think the dubbing idea you have could also be useful for the Oracle, if we get that deleted scene, and depending on its dialogue. Too early to say I guess.

Well that’s just the thing, though. If we went with the idea of using subtitles for Snoke, it would play out in the trilogy as an important part of Kylo’s sith journey. The idea of force healing would be referenced a few times in every film, recontextualizing Palp’s quote in RoS to make more sense than just being a reference. If done right, then Kylo using the ability at the end of the film would feel like a payoff, finally showing us the ability and showing him using something he acquired from his evil to do good. The power that has been teased since Anakin early in the saga is finally used in the climacting moment of the series.

Totally just an idea, though! I always love reading your input on this forum. I can’t wait to see what type of deleted material we get to use for this film.

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#1320645
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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To get rid of the issue with the force revival, would it sit better with anyone if Rey had never used it in the film, and then the power is used just by Kylo at the end to save her? This ties in with the idea that it is the type of manipulative “unnatural” power that only a Sith can have, and that Kylo uses the power he attained by doing horrific acts for some good in his final moments, somewhat redeeming himself.

I am always a fan of actually teasing and building to concepts that lead to actions, so to do so, I would have Snoke tease Kylo with this ability. In earlier posts, I have brought up how Snoke’s audio language could be changed and he could get new dialogue in the form of subtitles to tease the return of the Emperor. On top of that, you can also have Snoke tease Kylo once or twice about the ability of the dark force to reverse death.

Maybe you could tie this with Kylo’s longing towards the Vader mask, and portray early Kylo as wanting to revive his grandfather who in his own mind perverted by the Sith way he thinks could be a true father figure to him. Again, this idea could be pushed by a subtitled Snoke. This also recontextualizes “let the past die” to be a more literal theme for Kylo as he goes disenchanted with his Sith journey.

Anyways, the ability could be teased by Snoke maybe 2 times in Force Awakens, once in Last Jedi (before Kylo kills him), and then Palpy requoting his line from Episode 3 will feel like a continuation of this storyline. Then at the end, you get the payoff of Kylo having this ability that has been talked about since Ep3 of the saga, and he uses it to save Rey in his final moments.

Anybody like this idea? I’m just throwing stuff out there. I think it would be able to be pulled off without being too “fanedit-y” and cement a lot of the themes of Kylo Ren’s journey.

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#1319045
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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One aspect of the film that I really don’t jive with is how a scene is taken to explain just how the First Order troops are taken against their will at birth and trained to fight for a cause they had no say in, only for all of them manning the Destroyers at the end to get blown up and killed.

I think this can be knocked out along with the issue of how all the Destroyers got built by one thing. If someone goes the route of having the Emperor return and show off the Destroyers to Kylo at the end of EpVIII, we can take a bit of the crawl for EpIX to exposit that the Emperor has created his own clone army to bolster his numbers and erect the Final Order.

OR

If you went the route of turning Snoke’s dialogue into a Sith Dialect and creating new lines for him using subtitles (I really like this concept), you could have him allude to a secret army being constructed that is “the largest in the galaxy” and use it as a carrot on a stick to motivate Kylo Ren along his Sith journey, along with some teasing of an ancient dark lord to smoothe over the Emperor return.

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#1313305
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Star Wars: <strong>The Rise Of Skywalker</strong> Redux Ideas thread
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I’d have to disagree on cutting Chewbacca getting the medal. Is it cheesy? Very much so. But at the same time, if this is really supposed to be the last moments of the whole saga, I want to see long time characters getting some sort of a moment. If anything, I wish there were more moments like it. I really feel that Rey and Ben ended up being the only characters that got a very proper ending. I felt like all the others really didn’t get to shine much other than sharing a big group hug. It would be hard to edit around it, but I wish Finn and Poe could have had their epilogue moments similar to Rey.

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#1313297
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The Usual <strong>Sequel Trilogy</strong> Radical Redux Ideas Thread
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Long time lurker, I’m excited to finally join this community! I think we could really make something special out of the sequel trilogy.

I would say that it actually won’t be too hard to make Palpatine’s presence in the sequel trilogy more natural. Here would be my general layout.

Episode VII: Palpatine should never be explicitly mentioned in this one, but he should be strongly hinted towards. In order to gain this effect, I think we could use the classic fanediting trick of turning Snoke’s dialogue into a new language (a Sith dialect), and using subtitles to rewrite him and Kylo Ren’s interactions. Through these subtitles we would make it clear from the start that Snoke is more of a gatekeeper/messenger for some higher power. He can motivate Ren to continue his sith journey by dangling the carrot of meeting the “dark lord” or something along those lines, creating intrigue.

Episode VIII: this is where we need to see Palpatine so that his inclusion in the finale will feel not so out of left field. We would double down on Snoke bringing the mysterious figure up throughout the film, until Kylo finally kills Snoke and decides to go directly to him himself. We would then use the Kylo Ren and Palpatine scene at the end of this film, to build a major cliffhanger that leaves fans wondering what will happen in the finale while hopefully not feeling like Palpatine is an ass pull.

Episode IX: can mostly proceed as it was, and what we do with Rey’s background can go whatever way. If we want a better scene to establish Palpatine’s public presence, we could do a recut version of the Hux Nazi speech from TFA. Instead of Hux delivering his speech, we could have the first order army watching a hologram of Palpatine as he delivers his Fortnite speech. From there he could be the final boss that Rey and Ben overcome.