DavidSeleznovas

The scene in question: https://youtu.be/m9ZKhmggzA8?list=PLl_OlQ5T_zq20QaHEKqbLgRckbPaITu8E

Deleted and extended material that could be used as filler: (https://youtu.be/q2Vxf4gwEWE?list=PLZ5AsSyYpoXY_F27gunYnoTdDYi_F6o3t), (https://youtu.be/aMCxhavzF5g?list=PLZ5AsSyYpoXY_F27gunYnoTdDYi_F6o3t), (https://youtu.be/zPE1goA7tyA?list=PLZ5AsSyYpoXY_F27gunYnoTdDYi_F6o3t)

Some of the unreleased material yet to come out of the vault:
https://youtu.be/4CxqTBTAeBQ?t=3510

Although some of the scenes and shots seen above can be found in very high quality in the movie presented at the Cannes film festival released in 2020 through Middle-Earth 4K Ultimate Collector’s Edition.

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sidshady12 said:

I think the LOTR 4k version is still okay. I watched it, the audio is great, HDR is great, some of the color grading is better (no green tint in FOTR), and some of the shots do actually look more detailed especially shots where you can see miniatures in the background, you can notice things you never noticed on 1080p. However, I agree that the DNR (less film grain) completely sucks. I love film grain, and the waxy look in many of the shots is unfortunate. I think a color corrected LOTR Blu-ray fan edit would probably be the best way to watch LOTR for me.

As for Hobbit, it never had film grain so it’s not going to have much or any DNR I bet, but I never watched it so maybe you are right it does have problems.

For me, the reasons I don’t want to use the 4k Hobbit as a source are because: have to redo the color grading, I need to upgrade software/hardware/purchase the discs & a new disc drive, and even when I finish most people will still not even want the 4k version because it’s too big of a file. I have done some additional color tweaking in BOTFA in my edit’s next update to help reduce the excessive glowing highlights, so whatever improvements the 4k version made to the look of the films I think my edit at least isn’t left in the dust because I have tried to improve the look as much as possible.

There are color corrected 1080p extended versions of The Fellowship of the Ring and Two Towers. A fellow Ukrainian has been working on them for awhile. (https://rutracker.org/forum/tracker.php?pid=38050461)

¿Have you had a chance to watch the 35mm theatrical scans of the Lord of the Rings? They have been promoted on this forum.

Agreed with the level of quality in regards to the audio file improvements with Dolby Atmos and Dolby Vision (though some altered and missing sound effects where lost during the process), there is new detail in wide shots which where not as visible before, but there is also missing bit and pieces which impact the overall feel of the image (Waxy and ultra crisp back around and close-ups). With the colour grading much of the memorial scenes where deliberately changed for cohesion and congruence with the Hobbit, other decisions do rely more on preference.

The truth is that a raw 4K scan according to informants was accomplished for the Panasonic 35mm celluloid film, but the post-processing and meddling of the work was so baldly upgraded that is falls short in what it could have been released in the year 2020. To show off other examples in which our Peter Jackson and team was meddled with 35mm film specifically, you may watch They Shall not Grow Old (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7905466/) or Get Back (https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9735318/)

The Hobbit had a bit of grain in the lower number as digital cameras, and yet it was heavily DNR, I recommend you give them a watch. 😃

Matt.F said:

sidshady12 said:

The update isn’t ready yet, I guess I didn’t specify that so my bad. I had implied I was still finishing it up when asking for any final suggestions (which offer is still open!), but I should have it ready within the next month or two

The only suggestion to improve it now would be to use the 4K source, but I imagine that would be a real long trudge across ground you’ve already covered once.

It’s a brilliant edit, and it can stand proudly alongside the three LOTR movies.

The 4K source is truly horrid, apart from having to recolor the whole image to bring it up to his standards.

I noticed that the treatment that was done to the digital 3D footage of The Hobbit, was also the same as the 35mm film of TLOTR.

To explain in detail and with captures and examples I will post this video essay which links these comparisons: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3Z58uiwcME&t=441s

But to sum it up the AI eraser tool DNR, and the level of compression artifacts added to the picture is monumentally abhorrent. I was very surprised by it, due to the fact that The Hobbit was shot digitally.

sidshady12 said:

Hey all,

I have been working on some revisions after reviewing all available source footage (something I hadn’t really done in years). I’ll spare the details (which you can find on my corresponding fanedit.org thread or on fanedits reddit), here are the main ideas:

• Added 2 deleted shots of Dwarves in cells (from Appendices) into Woodland Realm
• Laketown sequence extended by 1 minute, many felt it was too quick. Now it’s as long as possible, given available footage. Added a few more shots/5 lines of dialogue back into Smaug-Bilbo sequence.
• Improved “Last Light” scene to feel much more smooth.
• Redone Ravenhill sequence to relate back to the flow of the battle in the book a bit more, while still being just as cinematically satisfying and enjoyable, hopefully also feeling like it “drags on” a bit less
• Various tidying up here and there, full changelog will come

If anyone else has suggestions, now is the time. After comparing my edit to the source footage again, I really feel confident that every possible shot has been contemplated. Don’t want anything left on the table, hopefully am able to deliver the most book-accurate extended edition style adaptation of The Hobbit possible with the footage we have.

Fantastic! Glad to see new work flow and revisions of this incredible piece of film editing and visual tweaking which has been made posible. I am most interested in removing all irrelevant and in your face shots of Far Easterling and Haradwaith people in the shots at Lake Town, and in the encampment after the death of Smaug the Magnificent.

I will do a following post with timestamps and indication as to where they are, so if you desire to flip and switch shots, or maybe add BTS footage, you can do so.

May I have a lookie?

Forgot they added a limit, my mistake.

MJBenito said:

Due to high demand of download requests, I’m looking for a better tool than Resilio to host my Harry Potter remasters projects. I’ll get back to everyone when it’s available. If you have any encrypted solution, feel free to send me a PM. Thanks for the patience. In the meantime, “Sorcerer’s Stone” extended cut is done in 4K Hybrid Open Matte / Scope and I’ll start working on “Chamber of Secrets” extended cut in 4K Hybrid Open Matte / Scope really soon.

WeTransfer.

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Have you seen any of the content from A Disturbance in the Force?

Darth telly said:

By the way this is still happening, I just needed to take a break, last week I started to continue my work.

Tell us. 😦

Matt.F said:

I don’t much like the ‘green goo’ tsunami that insta-kills the orcs. I do think the Extended Edition improved it slightly as we see more of Aragorn and Gimli on the battlefield killing orcs including Gothmog, so they are still participating in the victory even after the Dead arrived.

I think the only way to accomplish it would be to have the Army of the dead arrive on the boats and join the battle but delete the shot of the green goo swarming over the Oliphaunt (Day Z style) and then flooding the streets of Gondor - really just 3 seconds of footage to cut. Replace it with some slo-mo battle footage of regular men fighting and perhaps a short voiceover by Gandalf “the turn of the tide…” to imply time passing and the battle being won, then segue into the aftermath of the battlefield.

ps. if you’re going to make an edit then also tweak Denethor’s burning man marathon run, that’s far sillier than the Army of the Dead!

I am looking to emphasize the need of such manipulation and editing in this community. I myself am very green in movie composition and editing.

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Wraths said:

The Dead might have been able to harm. (Though I agree they couldn’t slaughter anyone with non-corporeal weapons)

We know of two instances of death occurring. One is the old man that appeared in Rohan, proclaimed some spooky shit about the Paths, and fell on his face dead. Possessed?

The other, a Prince of Rohan who ventured the Paths, came across a sealed door, and was attacked by someone from behind, leaving his legs broken - hence unable to move, he died in the dark, alone. Was it the Dead (Stalking their prey from behind, like we see in ROTK)? Or living Men?

Both are indirect ‘kills’, so the quote of “I doubt their blades would still bite” may still ring true. But interesting regardless.

An interesting analysis indeed.

I know someone out there would be willing to go through such an affair.
Please follow-through with your ideas and possible cuts that you may have in mind.

Could I get a copy?

In virtue of fidelity, logical enforcement, maintaining the urge of mystery, while insuring the Battle on Pelennor Fields is a sacrifice and victory of men.

It is, of the entire Trilogy the most catastrophic modification to my eyes, and I am sure it is to many of you fine folk.

I am sure there is an appetite for such a thing. And since Middle Earth projects are on the rise with 35mm scans of The Lord of The Ring, 4K Dremastered, and multiple Hobbit revisions I think the time has come.

Here is a video analysis of the battle in question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztdO04dpHN0&ab_channel=MasterSamwise

The scene in question: https://youtu.be/m9ZKhmggzA8?list=PLl_OlQ5T_zq20QaHEKqbLgRckbPaITu8E

Deleted and extended material that could be used as filler: (https://youtu.be/q2Vxf4gwEWE?list=PLZ5AsSyYpoXY_F27gunYnoTdDYi_F6o3t), (https://youtu.be/aMCxhavzF5g?list=PLZ5AsSyYpoXY_F27gunYnoTdDYi_F6o3t), (https://youtu.be/zPE1goA7tyA?list=PLZ5AsSyYpoXY_F27gunYnoTdDYi_F6o3t)

Some of the unreleased material yet to come out of the vault:
https://youtu.be/4CxqTBTAeBQ?t=3510

Although some of the scenes and shots seen above can be found in very high quality in the movie presented at the Cannes film festival released in 2020 through the Middle-Earth 4K Ultimate Collector’s Edition.

Removed.

Would love to watch it, have a link?

Indiana Jones IV if you please. 😃