DarthMarv

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DarthMarv said:

The whole Codebreaker, Canto Bight & DJ plotline is already such a headscrachter- how does Maz know the Codebreaker is gonna be at a high stake table without giving a time, is he there the whole day? why did DJ not escape his cell if he could’ve escaped at any moment, what was he waiting for? what are the odds that the jail cell Finn & Rose get thrown in has another Codebreaker who can crack First order codes even though Maz says is rare? why did Finn and Rose not try to refind the real Codebreaker when going through a rampage in the casino with the horses rather than trust a clearly shady person?

Those are some interesting points, although the movie (and the edits on this forum) answer some of those questions. Maybe they’re not good answers, but still, I like to play devil’s advocate sometimes:

1. Assumably the Master Codebreaker was told by Maz to wait at that area in the casino indefinitely until they arrived. Which is funny considering that Finn and Rose never show lol.
2. DJ didn’t escape because he wanted to sleep, just like he said. Pretty sure he’s homeless LOL.
3. Rekindled and Legendary make a change that they escape Canto Bight with DJ once they see that he can casually bypass a prison door. So no horse detour and rampage in the casino. Not only is that sequence awful (they’re rich, none of these damages will hurt them), it also introduces that plot hole like you pointed out. Finn and Rose are on the run from the authorities, so they’d just be apprehended again if they tried to get back into the casino.
4. Technically Maz says that she only knows of one option, which makes sense because she wouldn’t have a lot of shady contacts in the FO. Based on what DJ reveals, the Master Codebreaker worked for both sides, which is he was the only one she knew. But yeah, it is pretty contrived that they happen to be placed in the same cell as DJ. I dunno… the Force willed it? haha. Plus, you end up with the same contrivances if you have Finn and Rose apprehended but placed with the guy they were actually looking for in the first place.

1: that’d be a hilarious short story from his Pov
2: This would be a great line to add into the movie. I think that’s my core issue with the DJ plotline- why he waited in the cell he could’ve escaped at any moment. Anything explaining why he remained in the cell is what I think will make the plotline feel better.
3: I saw the Rekindled edit and wow yeah that change definitely fixes the feeling of why they don’t go and refind the master Codebreaker. Makes it so more plausible as they’re rushing to escape and save the fleet.
4: DJ actually says it’s the ship belongs to an arms dealers. If there was an Easter egg of it belonging to the Codebreaker I must’ve missed it but it’d also make Maz vouch seem untrustworthy XD.
I do agree on you’d run into the same kind of convenience issue but IF DJ was the actual Codebreaker, it can be set up with the alien complaining about parking- change his audio to his alien species language (from Battlefront 2- I did it for my edit) & then resub his lines to imply he and the 2 guards work for Maz/DJ or something like that.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

So the trouble with making him the master codebreaker is that there are a couple pieces of dialogue you have to contend with:

1. Finn and Rose turning toward DJ and questioning if he can really do this or not.
2. Poe asks if they found the Master Codebreaker, and Finn responds: “We found… a codebreaker.”

Also, the general vibe in their meet scene is that he’s just overheard what they’re talking about, not that he should know to expect them. My original idea was for him to say something like: “I lost my plom bloom in a bet…” But that doesn’t work unless he further reveals that he’s Maz’s contact and not that he’s an opportunist. Speaking of which, if Maz’s true contact ends up betraying them, it can make her character seem untrustworthy or foolish, which is something we want to avoid since it’s never addressed in TROS.

I think the idea is definitely possible, but I’m curious how you think the plot would benefit from it? No wrong answers, I’m genuinely curious.

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The one thing I’ve always wanted to tackle with TLJ is, ironically, to make Canto Bight more relevant to the finale. I’d want to have those camera droids from the prequels broadcasting the Resistance’s final stand to the galaxy. So then you could have the people at Canto Bight betting on the outcome, thus demonstrating the exact thing Rian set up with them betting on the horse races but applied to the plot. And them all losing their money when Luke shows up and prevents the FO from winning. And you’d want to end it with a shot of broom boy and the other kids looking up at the screen in admiration. This way the broom boy finale scene doesn’t completely come out of nowhere, either. It also explains how the whole galaxy comes to know Luke’s legend; the only way it works in canon is if the FO spread the story themselves (probably Hux lol).

hmm good points. well for point 1: I think with the new context of the DJ being the Codebreaker, it makes the scene just seem like them just nervous of the plan going well.
point 2: I think this scene can be trimmed around so Finn says 'they’re so close, then cut to Finn on the Poe’s comm saying ‘we can shut the tracker down, buy us some time’

The whole Codebreaker, Canto Bight & DJ plotline is already such a headscrachter- how does Maz know the Codebreaker is gonna be at a high stake table without giving a time, is he there the whole day? why did DJ not escape his cell if he could’ve escaped at any moment, what was he waiting for? what are the odds that the jail cell Finn & Rose get thrown in has another Codebreaker who can crack First order codes even though Maz says is rare? why did Finn and Rose not try to refind the real Codebreaker when going through a rampage in the casino with the horses rather than trust a clearly shady person?
At least making DJ be the Codebreaker solves most of these issues but I do agree it makes Maz vouching for the true contact make her seem foolish/unreliable but it could be treated like an Andor kind of thing where they trust and must’ve vetted Skeen for the heist but when an opportunity arrives he acts selfish.

Any attempt to make the Canto bight plotline feel less contrived, more necessary and make Finn and Rose less dumb just helps the plotline imo

Jar Jar Bricks said:

That’s a really good idea and sounds feasible! I’ll tackle that at some point and share the line.

Do you mind also sharing where exactly you placed the Ben Kenobi line? Like how many seconds after the twin suns shot, or any other metric you can think of.

About 2:19:47-2:19:51 theatrical cut. The gorgeous Luke looking at the sky landscape shot which pairs really nicely with Obi saying his line.

Jar Jar Bricks said:

DarthMarv said:

I think the Old Ben’s line should feel more softer for the scene imo

See, I thought the same thing. That’s why I had the generative solution at first. But I need the voice to be instantly recognizable. The same exact delivery helps people recognize it. Or else people would be wondering: “Who is speaking to Luke right now?”

Is it possible that it’s more of a volume thing? I wonder if it were quieter if that it would be better. The whole point of the line is that “letting go” is the final step in becoming a Force ghost. You have to let go of all your earthly attachments. Ben is essentially telling Luke that everything will be alright without him; his legend will make the galaxy rise up in the next movie.

Regarding DJ, I’m not sure of any tools that let you change individual elements of what’s on screen. Maybe it’s out there and I’m just not aware of it, though.

Actually I think it is just a volume thing, I played around with it on my personal edit and having the volume just a little lower than your test clip and placing the line to where the music crescendos feels more natural to me.

Also regarding with DJ, I was rewatching TLJ, and I think I figured out a way to imply DJ as the codebreaker through changing his introduction lines: the start of the jail scene where he’s in the shadow on his bed saying “umm, I can do it” could be replaced with “umm, I’m the codebreaker” which is nicely followed by Rose confused ‘what’ response.
Then instead of “Codebreaker, thief, I can do it” it would be “Codebreaker, thief, that me”. It pairs nicely with his following line “don’t let the wrapper fool you” and it can implied maybe DJ lost the red bloom as a bet or something

Also with the whole AI generation, I wonder if it’s now possible to fix the whole Codebreaker/DJ plotline by making DJ have the red Plom bloom on his jacket in the jail to make it so he’s the master codebreaker they were looking for.

I think the Old Ben’s line should feel more softer for the scene imo

Just watched twilight of the apprentice episode and wow! As a fan of legends this was amazing. Malachor looking straight up like it did in Kotor 2 from the planet overview to the surface, the alien Inquisitor being a Selkath with the voice lines, the rescoring with Kotor 2 music, Kreia’s voice lines as the holocron… Absolute perfection. Fantastic work!

This would require a bit of VFX but I think making some of the Nakina 5 prisoners (even if they’re just background prisoners) be Pantorans/ Mirialans so having pink, yellow, blue coloured faces or make them Umbaran with the white eyes would at least help add a bit of alien diversity.

Once again Smudger, another fantastic smooth edit, I’m glad you removed most of the At-achrin crappy subplot and got right to the meat of the mystery, everything flowed really well.

the only thing I did miss was the KB subplot with her augments, it was a really nice subplot that gave more character moments that was missing.

Amazing! Love that you’re going ahead to make Malachor V be more true to legends and that your adding in Legends references of Mandalore’s history.

That’d be interesting to see. S2 definitely could benefit with some restructure of its plotline for some better flow.

The big thing I’d cut is a scene in the ending of S1- Jinx sitting on the ‘Jinx chair’ after she kills Silco. This felt like a resolution to her whole is she powder or is she Jinx character arc but S2 decides to ignore this. Cutting that one part of the scene just makes the transition to her character arc in S2 flow more naturally.

For S2 one thing that never got brought up again for Ekko’s story was the whole thing about the tree slowly dying or something because of the Hex, maybe a final shot during the ending montage of the tree looking healthy could provide some resolution for this. Also Ekko and firelights not doing much after Silco’s death to liberate Zaun felt weird so perhaps moving Ekko’s disappearance earlier can help with this.

I also think adding in some shots of the Arcane Noxus trailer for S2s ending would also be ideal to provide a stronger resolution for the black rose plotline and gives Mel a resolution.

Another great edit from you Smudger! A much better streamlined version of the The Acolyte that removes most of the problematic elements.
The new title crawl is miles better than the original, the AI Venestra voice sounded seamless and was a good solution to skim past the whole Ki Adi & Coruscant filler.
Overall lots of good choices of cuts and a much more watchable version of the Acolyte.

So far with all 5 episodes of your edit all I can say is fantastic work. The focus on character arcs & moments really shows.
I liked the inclusion of that master and apprentice opening the door at the end of E5 really bringing it all together.
I’ve got no complaints on my end.

Love that Andor type look to the logo and making Kessel look more consistent to it’s depiction in Solo… good stuff

I’d say the top one since it makes it feel less earthy

Amazing idea definitely keep.

That’s a fantastic idea on making the red saber- orange like Baylon’s. It makes for nice set-up to see that kind of saber in Ahsoka.

This edit sounds awesome, I’ve definitely wanted to see a rogue one edit rescored with the music from Andor. And those clips are perfection.

NFBisms feedback is spot on, those were the only nitpicks I had. Otherwise overall I loved the general restructure.

I do want to chime in 2 suggestions about Andor in general:

1. early in Mon’s story where her husband invited Sly Moore to a party I feel like a follow up scene like in E5 Mon and her husband in the taxi would be better moved there than after the family breakfast scene.

2. This is a personal opinion but I think E1-3s flashbacks should be moved as 2 full flashback scenes. Cassian’s perspective with his tribe till he sees his reflection in the ship all presented before B2 wakes Andor up in the begining
   And then Marva’s perspective flashback where she finds Cassian in the ship placed in the scene where she looks at Andor’s room.

I’ve watched all 4 of your HP edits Anjohan and I had to sing my praises on here. Fantastic work! The new visual effects I noticed in HP1 & 2 and colour grading are bloody brilliant. It’s been years since I’ve seen the movie so any changes to musical scores and cuts you made I didn’t even notice (and I mean that as a good thing- it was seamless).
Oh and great work on building a real mystery with HPGoF, it actually felt like a mystery trying to figure out who was responsible rather than it dangling obvious ticks that gave away the reveal.
Hyped to see the rest of your edits.

So I thought I’d share a few ideas I’ve thought in my head for editing Ahsoka and fixing some lingering questions:

• So for Huyang, a big question for me is why he’s with Ahsoka rather than Luke: So an idea I liked was that he’s sticking with Ahsoka because she’s the last from before the Empire and he feels a connection to the generation of padawans he’s taught, Ahsoka being the last one left. I’m not sure where a dialogue an AI created voice line could fit but it would be good explanation.
• Another thing with Huyang voice AI ideas is to try and see if it’s possible to move his conversation to Ezra about Sabine’s family fate on Mandalore to much earlier episodes to get the audience to understand why she’s willing to anything to get Ezra back.
• Another AI voice/ voice over idea could be used on Morrok: his dialogue could explain he’s magik created from the Great Mothers in Peridia to give him a more solid explanation rather than just not explaining him.
• I’d also fix the remnant troopers making them feel more human by adding voice lines for them & conversations, making them more competent shots too.
• For story beats I’d also make sure for Sabine force moment- I’d have Ezra do the full jump no help and Sabine (who doesn’t use the force in this edit) would have to make a choice to go save Ahsoka or go with Ezra.
• Oh and I’d also tweak Huyang’s line about Sabine being worse than a youngling in terms of force potential, maybe a line emphasising her untapped potential might make the finale land moments better.

I got round to watching your PM edit Spence, cheers for that, and you’ve done some absolutely amazing work! Lots of great seamless cuts, loved the little VFX work you did, the deleted scenes restored, and the removal of 3PO which worked surprisingly well. Solid pacing overall and great reworks especially the final battle and I’m happy you kept the gungan city stuff.
Super hyped for your AotC & RotS edit now!

Peter Pan said:

I used the shot of Baylan seeing a silhouette of a purrgil through the clouds, while on Seatos, applied some binocular filter, and tinted the footage to give the impression of infrared sight.

Here is the clip:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-aMXsVQGwn7XhvEnSnORrV7G83zxovq9/view?usp=share_link

Sadly the compression is killing the quality.

Genius that’s a really great idea, works well.

Peter Pan said:

Someone in Smudger’s thread spawned the idea of removing episode 1 almost entirely and starting with the Corellia investigation instead.

Sadly, I had no time to spare at the time, but now I have thrown together a quick mock-up of that idea.

The general structure is this:
-slightly altered crawl, that explains the state of the galaxy and why Ahsoka and Hera are on Corellia
-opening on Corellia, intercut with the introduction of Sabine
-Hera reports to the NR
-new scene, featuring Sabine observing Purrgil traveling past Lothal (new call to action)
-Jailbreak, introduction of Baylen and Shin
-Sabine contacts Ahsoka
-opening of the map
-Ahsoka and Sabine meet

Apart from the structural change, I only boosted the colors (a lot).

If anyone is interested in giving feedback, just notify me. The edit is about 40 minutes long.

I like the ideas of moving the Corellia story first, makes more sense but how would you create Sabine observing the Pergils on Lothal?