ok so after hours upon hours of work I have found a good method to restore the bumpers. here is a half-second comparison.
before
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sDsRn6IvtLAojLZgf-aE8Vz0NMRcWLnd/view?usp=sharing
after
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1g0jF-75kdgO2NQ-G7jYIRPdG_0bRZ4n-/view?usp=sharing
does anyone have any thoughts?
also, does anyone have this?
where were the commercials sourced from on this release?
Not an idiot.
It’s one of the earliest DVD transfers IIRC. Rikter distributed two versions: WMAR (that was the one with the commercials, right?) and another whose callsign I forget. I think it was too early for KCCI, but even if it wasn’t the video quality is definitely surpassed by more recent transfers.
(KCCI was seen as the gold standard for many years and it was distributed in a variety of forms. Seemed like everyone had their own menuing over the KCCI content. That was the second and last version I purchased, that one from OCP Movie. I then learned about this community and started zealously turning in sellers on eBay (whence came my first version).)
I really shouldn’t be answering a technical question without checking my information at home but I’m at a Super Bowl party and kinda bored…
Thank you, Can you PM me your copy of the angrysun please? I have been trying to gather recordings of all of the stations airings and all of the interviews with the cast and crew to eventually release as a Blu-ray image.
does anyone know where you can get The Star Wars Holiday Special - KCCI Version,
The Star Wars Holiday Special - WCBS Version, and the sesame street workprints?
sorry that I am an idiot, but what is the angrysun version.
I was wondering if anyone was planning on putting this to DVD. This is a short movie that Warrwick Davis filmed while making Jedi (then still called Revenge of the Jedi) Features characters and sets from Jedi and is really cool. I got to see it at C3 and now Star Wars.com has offered it’s hyperspace members a chance to download it. I haven’t yet, but plan on it. This would make a great addition to a Jedi Comp disk!
is there anyway to get this now?
CatBus said:
4K83 is the special unicorn print with much more fine image detail than 4K77.
Sorry for my ignorance, but what is a unicorn print?
I am not familiar with my fair lady’s releases (I have never even seen my fair lady). So I can not understand the comparison, can you please explain for me.
Nothing much to explain – you offered two examples of films that had been butchered or at least abused on UHD. My Fair Lady is just an example of a film that had been treated very respectfully. They still went back to earlier-than-projection-print elements, and so the UHD has more fine detail than the projection prints ever did – and considering it was a 65mm film, that’s really saying something!
I was not saying that all official releases are subpar quality, stuff like the birds and doctor Strangelove or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb look beautiful. The camera negatives do show much more detail, just as soon as DNR is in play they show less detail.
Hi there, I was wondering if you know how to remove ghosting artifacts. for my Ewoks droids adventure hour reconstruction I have one scene only available unaltered from a source with tons of ghosting.
Ok, so I was wondering If anyone has a high-quality scan of the R2d2 beneath the dome cover (front, back, and spine). Also the same thing for the story of star wars.
if this is the wrong place for this I am sorry and feel free to move it to another section moderators.
I prefer the route Adywan has gone with ANH:R HD, in switching between AI upscale BD and UHD depending on the quality of the shot (with unifying color correction, of course). That’d be the best way to structure a Despecialized version, IMHO (along with print sources). Like take a look at this example:
It makes sense to upscale BD shots when the UHD equivalents get bad. Likewise, luma and details from the UHD can enhance the BD well enough.
I much prefer D+77 over this route you described that awyidwan did.
Personally, I would definitely rather watch the UHD of My Fair Lady than a projection print of the same film, but I recognize that it’s not really the same as the theatrical experience. The BD and UHD releases of Star Wars are trash on their own – I don’t think anyone here will argue that – but the question is if there’s anything of value worth salvaging from them (color-correcting, grain-matching and despecializing in the process), not if you’d actually watch them without those alterations. I’d argue yes, there’s stuff worth salvaging from them. Others would argue no, it’s irrevocably tainted. I actually don’t like the D+ releases as much as Despecialized, but I like D+77 better than 4K77 and 4K83 better than OTD83. It’s a crazy mix of personal preferences. In other words, black bears are the best bear.
I am not familiar with my fair lady’s releases (I have never even seen my fair lady). So I can not understand the comparison, can you please explain for me.
SnooPac beat me to it, but clearly not many fans of the US Office here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaANll8h18
“Black bears are the best bear” is sort of a parody pronouncement of something that is clearly an opinion being stated as if it were a proven fact. But once you’re explaining the joke, the moment is lost. Luckily for me, the jokes I tell are only for my own amusement. If anyone else gets it, that’s just gravy.
Did I ever tell you my joke about the UDP packet? It doesn’t matter if you get it.
On a serious note, the grain versus detail debate is real, although it’s not really about grain, it’s about generational loss. The optical duplication process used to create projection prints from negatives (typically via several intermediaries) loses significant detail with every generation. Thus, if you want to get the most detail, you go back to the original film negatives, or at least something higher-generation like an interpositive. This is why Blu-ray restorations tend to be based on “scans of the negative” instead of “scans of projection prints”. The Star Wars UHDs, and even the BDs, are based on these higher-generation sources. So even with all the grain scrubbing and color mangling and other nasties, they do in fact have more detail than a projection print. That’s more detail than anybody ever actually saw in the theater, though, so whether that’s a good thing or not depends on what you’re after. So while 4K77 is a better representation of how the film looked in theaters, D+77 does have more fine image detail. Even Despecialized has more detail, and it’s 720p. The reason 4K83 looks so much better than 4K77 is that it’s a special print that skipped a few duplication generations, creating a more detailed and less grainy image (also seventies filmstock was crap, and this was mostly resolved by the time ROTJ was filmed, but that’s another tangent).
Grain is sort of a red herring. Because of how optical duplication works, the grain structure is “stacked” with the grain of all the previous generations. So the grain of the negative may be fine, but by the time you get to the projection print, it’s pretty thick. But really I’ve found it’s not the grain so much as the lack of fine detail people object to. But as you lose detail in duplication, you gain grain, so they kind of go hand-in-hand.
Nevertheless, if you’re blending with NTSC TV footage and don’t want the quality seams to be obvious, I’d recommend a Laserdisc/GOUT source, but color-adjusted.
Regarding his absence, Zion comes and goes, and works on his own schedule. I would not necessarily take a year-long absence as a sign of a problem. But I do wish him well.
ya, I get that, but would you say that the 4k release of terminator 2 is better than a film print? same case for star wars.
Wait, what happened to Zion? He has not been active for a year.
I can’t tell if you guys are serious.
But my take on CatBus’ original statement is that he was stating something that’s pretty subjective (an opinion on the ranking of bear sub-species) and making an outright qualitative statement and saying it as if it were fact.
And he was saying it in a slightly mocking but mostly jovial way, trying to draw a parallel to your argument. CatBus may enjoy black bears. Maybe he likes the grace and power they display. But that doesn’t make them unequivocally the ‘best’.
Someone else might appreciate te regalness (regality?) of a polar bear. Or the grace of a brown bear. Or the ferocity of a grizzly bear. Or the comedy of a panda bear (which may or may not count as an actual bear).
But none of them can be right, absolutely, that the bear they like is truly the ‘best’.Similarly, one might like the detail of d+77, or the grain of 4k77.
But there’s no definite/absolute ‘best’, so probably best not to argue about it.
Especially in this thread.The follow-up comment by CatBus (and even the first one):
https://youtu.be/WaaANll8h18Also CatBus was wrong about one thing. Panda’s are clearly the best bears.
Oh, now I remember that episode of the office (that was a great one) and catbus’s comments makes sense. But 4K77 does have more grain therefor it shows more detail.
I know I am reviving this thread after 18 years, but is there any other evidence of him liking the special edition.
He didn’t really consider the changes to be “changes” in the first place, if that makes sense.
Someone at the press conference for the dvd all the way back in 2004 (which included Mark Hamill, Irvin Kershner, Lucasfilm president Jim Ward and the Lowry guys) asked Kersh what he thought about the Special Edition and also his thoughts on ESB being the one with the least changes made to it.
The moderator kinda jokingly relays it to Kersh and kinda slowly says “he’s talking about … this idea (some laughs from the audience) that there’ve been changes made to the movie over the years.”
His response?
“Frankly I don’t know what he’s talking about. The sound was enhanced, the picture was enhanced, we added the snow monster. It’s the movie I made.”
Maybe he also mentioned Cloud City, I can’t remember now. Only reason I remember what I do now after more than 17 years is because I listened to the audio of it multiple times back in the day.
Kersh had this observation about making ESB that still sticks with me. He said he felt like he was working in the old Soviet system because it was like he was making two films: one for the censor, and one for the audience who would understand what he was trying to say.
I find the “picture was enhanced” part interesting with the pink lightsabers and the other picture problems.
Oh my god this will be awful if it ever comes out.
Fact: Black bears are the best bear.
I don’t get why that is relevant.
Fact: Bears eat beets. Bears, beets, Battlestar Galactica.
Now I am even more confused.
Why do you not think it’s better? D+77 is the awful grain wiped Disney plus version intertwined with a DNRed 4k77. 4k77 was sourced from a beautiful IB technicolor print and does not have the DNR.
I’m not a fan of watching something where the grain is so thick I can chew it. I’ll take detail over grain any day.
Well more grain = more detail
Fact: Black bears are the best bear.
I don’t get why that is relevant.
I recommend using 4k77 instead of despecialized for the shots which were taken from a new hope.
or D+77
but 4k77 is better.
No it’s not.
Why do you not think it’s better? D+77 is the awful grain wiped Disney plus version intertwined with a DNRed 4k77. 4k77 was sourced from a beautiful IB technicolor print and does not have the DNR.
ok, so I just finished episode 2 and I am distributing it as a sample of this project to get feedback. if you want it shoot me a PM and I will give you the resilio key.
There is one thing I ran into, the adventure Hour intro does not just copy and paste clips from the show but instead takes clips from the show and removes some of their background and foreground elements. so a better quality version of the intro would be greatly apreciated.
I recommend using 4k77 instead of despecialized for the shots which were taken from a new hope.
or D+77
but 4k77 is better.
here is a Star Wars Holiday Special DVD cover I made.
If you PM me I can send you the uncompressed version.
