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#1471600
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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CatBus said:

Darth telly said:

I am not familiar with my fair lady’s releases (I have never even seen my fair lady). So I can not understand the comparison, can you please explain for me.

Nothing much to explain – you offered two examples of films that had been butchered or at least abused on UHD. My Fair Lady is just an example of a film that had been treated very respectfully. They still went back to earlier-than-projection-print elements, and so the UHD has more fine detail than the projection prints ever did – and considering it was a 65mm film, that’s really saying something!

I was not saying that all official releases are subpar quality, stuff like the birds and doctor Strangelove or how I learned to stop worrying and love the bomb look beautiful. The camera negatives do show much more detail, just as soon as DNR is in play they show less detail.

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#1471573
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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BedeHistory731 said:

I prefer the route Adywan has gone with ANH:R HD, in switching between AI upscale BD and UHD depending on the quality of the shot (with unifying color correction, of course). That’d be the best way to structure a Despecialized version, IMHO (along with print sources). Like take a look at this example:

overdoneDNR

It makes sense to upscale BD shots when the UHD equivalents get bad. Likewise, luma and details from the UHD can enhance the BD well enough.

I much prefer D+77 over this route you described that awyidwan did.

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#1471571
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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CatBus said:

Personally, I would definitely rather watch the UHD of My Fair Lady than a projection print of the same film, but I recognize that it’s not really the same as the theatrical experience. The BD and UHD releases of Star Wars are trash on their own – I don’t think anyone here will argue that – but the question is if there’s anything of value worth salvaging from them (color-correcting, grain-matching and despecializing in the process), not if you’d actually watch them without those alterations. I’d argue yes, there’s stuff worth salvaging from them. Others would argue no, it’s irrevocably tainted. I actually don’t like the D+ releases as much as Despecialized, but I like D+77 better than 4K77 and 4K83 better than OTD83. It’s a crazy mix of personal preferences. In other words, black bears are the best bear.

I am not familiar with my fair lady’s releases (I have never even seen my fair lady). So I can not understand the comparison, can you please explain for me.

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#1471554
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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CatBus said:

SnooPac beat me to it, but clearly not many fans of the US Office here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaaANll8h18

“Black bears are the best bear” is sort of a parody pronouncement of something that is clearly an opinion being stated as if it were a proven fact. But once you’re explaining the joke, the moment is lost. Luckily for me, the jokes I tell are only for my own amusement. If anyone else gets it, that’s just gravy.

Did I ever tell you my joke about the UDP packet? It doesn’t matter if you get it.

On a serious note, the grain versus detail debate is real, although it’s not really about grain, it’s about generational loss. The optical duplication process used to create projection prints from negatives (typically via several intermediaries) loses significant detail with every generation. Thus, if you want to get the most detail, you go back to the original film negatives, or at least something higher-generation like an interpositive. This is why Blu-ray restorations tend to be based on “scans of the negative” instead of “scans of projection prints”. The Star Wars UHDs, and even the BDs, are based on these higher-generation sources. So even with all the grain scrubbing and color mangling and other nasties, they do in fact have more detail than a projection print. That’s more detail than anybody ever actually saw in the theater, though, so whether that’s a good thing or not depends on what you’re after. So while 4K77 is a better representation of how the film looked in theaters, D+77 does have more fine image detail. Even Despecialized has more detail, and it’s 720p. The reason 4K83 looks so much better than 4K77 is that it’s a special print that skipped a few duplication generations, creating a more detailed and less grainy image (also seventies filmstock was crap, and this was mostly resolved by the time ROTJ was filmed, but that’s another tangent).

Grain is sort of a red herring. Because of how optical duplication works, the grain structure is “stacked” with the grain of all the previous generations. So the grain of the negative may be fine, but by the time you get to the projection print, it’s pretty thick. But really I’ve found it’s not the grain so much as the lack of fine detail people object to. But as you lose detail in duplication, you gain grain, so they kind of go hand-in-hand.

Nevertheless, if you’re blending with NTSC TV footage and don’t want the quality seams to be obvious, I’d recommend a Laserdisc/GOUT source, but color-adjusted.

Regarding his absence, Zion comes and goes, and works on his own schedule. I would not necessarily take a year-long absence as a sign of a problem. But I do wish him well.

ya, I get that, but would you say that the 4k release of terminator 2 is better than a film print? same case for star wars.

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#1471442
Topic
Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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SnooPac said:

I can’t tell if you guys are serious.

But my take on CatBus’ original statement is that he was stating something that’s pretty subjective (an opinion on the ranking of bear sub-species) and making an outright qualitative statement and saying it as if it were fact.

And he was saying it in a slightly mocking but mostly jovial way, trying to draw a parallel to your argument. CatBus may enjoy black bears. Maybe he likes the grace and power they display. But that doesn’t make them unequivocally the ‘best’.
Someone else might appreciate te regalness (regality?) of a polar bear. Or the grace of a brown bear. Or the ferocity of a grizzly bear. Or the comedy of a panda bear (which may or may not count as an actual bear).
But none of them can be right, absolutely, that the bear they like is truly the ‘best’.

Similarly, one might like the detail of d+77, or the grain of 4k77.
But there’s no definite/absolute ‘best’, so probably best not to argue about it.
Especially in this thread.

The follow-up comment by CatBus (and even the first one):
https://youtu.be/WaaANll8h18

Also CatBus was wrong about one thing. Panda’s are clearly the best bears.

Oh, now I remember that episode of the office (that was a great one) and catbus’s comments makes sense. But 4K77 does have more grain therefor it shows more detail.

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#1471441
Topic
Irvin Kershner on Special Editions
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Fang Zei said:

Darth telly said:

I know I am reviving this thread after 18 years, but is there any other evidence of him liking the special edition.

He didn’t really consider the changes to be “changes” in the first place, if that makes sense.

Someone at the press conference for the dvd all the way back in 2004 (which included Mark Hamill, Irvin Kershner, Lucasfilm president Jim Ward and the Lowry guys) asked Kersh what he thought about the Special Edition and also his thoughts on ESB being the one with the least changes made to it.

The moderator kinda jokingly relays it to Kersh and kinda slowly says “he’s talking about … this idea (some laughs from the audience) that there’ve been changes made to the movie over the years.”

His response?

“Frankly I don’t know what he’s talking about. The sound was enhanced, the picture was enhanced, we added the snow monster. It’s the movie I made.”

Maybe he also mentioned Cloud City, I can’t remember now. Only reason I remember what I do now after more than 17 years is because I listened to the audio of it multiple times back in the day.

Kersh had this observation about making ESB that still sticks with me. He said he felt like he was working in the old Soviet system because it was like he was making two films: one for the censor, and one for the audience who would understand what he was trying to say.

I find the “picture was enhanced” part interesting with the pink lightsabers and the other picture problems.

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#1471429
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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digitalfreaknyc said:

Darth telly said:

Why do you not think it’s better? D+77 is the awful grain wiped Disney plus version intertwined with a DNRed 4k77. 4k77 was sourced from a beautiful IB technicolor print and does not have the DNR.

I’m not a fan of watching something where the grain is so thick I can chew it. I’ll take detail over grain any day.

Well more grain = more detail

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#1471395
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Star Wars Holiday Special - Zion Hybrid v3 (a WIP)
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digitalfreaknyc said:

Darth telly said:

nobodybutjarjar42 said:

Darth telly said:

I recommend using 4k77 instead of despecialized for the shots which were taken from a new hope.

or D+77

but 4k77 is better.

No it’s not.

Why do you not think it’s better? D+77 is the awful grain wiped Disney plus version intertwined with a DNRed 4k77. 4k77 was sourced from a beautiful IB technicolor print and does not have the DNR.

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#1471218
Topic
The Ewoks Droids adventure hour reconstruction (Help needed)
Time

ok, so I just finished episode 2 and I am distributing it as a sample of this project to get feedback. if you want it shoot me a PM and I will give you the resilio key.

There is one thing I ran into, the adventure Hour intro does not just copy and paste clips from the show but instead takes clips from the show and removes some of their background and foreground elements. so a better quality version of the intro would be greatly apreciated.

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#1470939
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The Ewoks Droids adventure hour reconstruction (Help needed)
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gary1 said:

Hi,

I’d be very much interested in this, unfortunately nothing much to share other than if this info if at all any use 😃

On MySpleen an upload of the Ewoks and Droids Advdntures containing
Contents:
Ewoks - “The Haunted Village”
Droids - “Escape Into Terror”
Ewoks - “To Save Deej”
Droids - “A Race to the Finish”

And another including (from YouTube)
Ewoks - “Blue Harvest”
Droids - “Across The Roon Sea”

As well as Ewoks and Droids promo montage https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkzhg1W6-ks&t=6s and uploads in the following thread:

https://originaltrilogy.com/topic/The-Beyond-the-OT-TrailersPromos-Thread-YouTubeVimeo-etc-finds/id/73362

I was already aware of most of that except the blue harvest/across the dune sea one which I did not know there was a YouTube posting of. So thank you.

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#1470926
Topic
Were the blu-ray/4k original trilogy changes made by the studio or george lucas?
Time

Nien Nunb said:

George Lucas is the only one OCD enough to make such inane, arbitrary changes to these films with every video release. Do you honestly think Disney or any other studio would be bothered enough to mess around with such trivial, incidental things in someone else’s movie of which they didn’t even produce? Disney have much more productive things to do as a comapny than continue on with some bizarre tradition that George Lucas has made out of his own insecurity with the quality of his films.

Continually adding things to old films is not a practice most film studios would typically engage in. Usually any kind of digital tinkering done by a studio for some video release is to fix some sort of visual effects gaffe or continuity thing that most people wouldn’t have noticed until it was pointed out. No one but Lucas would think to add something as nonsensical as Greedo saying “Macklunkey”.

Well Disney is the embodiment of evil.

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#1470818
Topic
The Ewoks Droids adventure hour reconstruction (Help needed)
Time

hello everyone, I am currently working on a reconstruction of the full Ewoks Droids adventure hour episodes. the information on my sources and current progress is below. I will be regularly updating this post. there is a list of needed sources at the bottom, so if you have those, please PM me.

Episode 1
status
Not started

Episode 2
status
Finished (possible that I will tweak it)

sources

  1. Disney Plus release of the haunted village.
  2. VHS release of escape from terror.
  3. youtube posting of promo montage.
  4. about 95% complete VHS recording (starts after the introduction).

Episode 3
status
Not started

Episode 4
status
WIP

sources

  1. Disney Plus release of to save Deej.
  2. Disney Plus release of the droids episode.
  3. VHS recording of original broadcast
  4. Ewoks/Droids promo montage from youtube

Episode 5
status
Not started

Episode 6
status
Not started

Episode 7
status
Not started

Episode 8
status
Not started

Episode 9
status
Not started

Episode 10
status
Not started

Episode 11
status
Not started

Episode 12
status
Not started

Episode 13
status
WIP

sources

  1. Disney Plus release of Asha.
  2. Disney Plus release of The frozen citadel.
  3. Video Collector’s DROIDS PAL VHS Preservation 4-DVD set.
  4. Partial VHS recording of the original airing
  5. Youtube posting of the Ewoks Droids adventure hour Introduction

Other media that is also part of this project

The Great Heap
Status
Finished

sources

  1. Disney Plus release

Ewoks on Ice
Status
I do not even know if a source exists for this.

Various promos
Not started

Needed sources

  1. A VHS recording of the second half of the original broadcast of episode 13. It is ok if the quality is bad (though good quality is still preferable) because I mainly just need reference.

Needed information

  1. Were there any alterations to the Disney+ release of Ewoks?
  2. How do you open the mac version of Dr. Dre’s color matching tool?
  3. Is there an existing recording of Ewoks on Ice?
  4. any recommendations on how I should deal with the constant change in framerate?

Other needed help

  1. after I am done with each episode can someone sync all the subtitle files so that there are subtitles for the whole thing.