Very minor, but I think it would be nice if the Sith Troopers had clone voices from the prequels/Clone Wars, not sure if theres a way to explain it but would be such a simple little thing to include.
VO Test Pitched Down:
https://youtu.be/WjwKep789z4
Totally down for this. I’d love to convey the Sith Eternal is composed at least partially of “Jango” clones.
Well I brought it into this thread for exposure.
I should be shamed.
I didn’t mean it like that. You are one of the most talented people on here. Just thought you may have accidentally posted in the wrong thread. I’m always down to check out other things you are working on.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZwFZ2dos1-qbGqxX1512Ri787Lc5WU4e
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TzgLt6l4LmMp4z9PTiA_PNvNiVjXs7cz
Updated Sarlacc links!
Wrong thread, right? Unless you are thinking of adding the sarlacc to the end of TRoS.
@Hal’s first post
Reasonable question about why use them. The main reasons I came up with playing with this idea was …
1.) Already crazy that Palps has a Sith butt load of ships. With that butt load, you need even more butt loads of people for both piloting … and troops. Lots of them. Cloning helps with that.
2.) Cloning is brought back, a la Palps. He is a clone … so he and his crew still have the cloning ability, so why not?
3.) For “movie” cannon, viewers watching these movies know that “That voice is a clones voice!” so we connect that dot.
4.) In TFA, Kylo mocks Hux about using a clone army, inferring that the FO method may not be as good as clones.
5.) We like clones.
That’s about it. It is more of a fill in the gap on why the heck there are so many “baddies” out of no where. TROS already doesn’t make sense and we all understand we have to let go of common sense, but this is a minor thing that is easy to implement.
There aren’t really any other scenes to add these clone sounds, since we are talking about like 10 seconds worth of Sith troop footage. I did add a Wilhelm scream when a group of them were grenaded by Jana … but that’s all I got.
As for Hals second post: I would LOVE to see Rey’s lighting be yellow. (Also remove the crackle, but the yellow lighting is a cool concept.
I would also think it would be cool at the end, with Jonh’s footage using the Force Ghost to help out Rey, having the final lighting push back be white or something would be neat too.
I’ve been advocating for this exact thing for awhile. I believe it would help logically explain who is manning the Sith Fleet. It would help link the prequels to sequels and make the films feel like a more cohesive saga. Also it goes hand in hand with Palpatine’s own cloning in TRoS. I’m not an FX expert like many of my fellow posters, but I’d love to hear the voice of the prequel clones or even a deepfake of “Jango’s” face on the bridge crew of the Sith Fleet Star Destroyers.
I might be in the minority, but I really like the ending as is. The only thing I would add is Force Ghost Ben Solo.
I agree…all I needed was Ben showing up as a force ghost at the end to join his mother and uncle. I also wish Finn had of been there to imply he would be Rey’s first Jedi student. However, I don’t know how you would imply that with the material we currently have unless it was audio off screen because the sequel trilogy doesn’t have enough of Finn yelling “RRRREEEEYYYYY!”
jonh, are you suggesting we reshoot the reshoots?!
🤣🤣🤣
when luke first appears he has good hair, but in the following shots, he suddenly looks like manson
Marilyn or Charles? 😛
I noticed the reshoot wig immediately when I first saw the movie. With a $200 million budget, you’d think they could afford a decent wig.
Yeah, Luke looks like he got longer hair and wider since becoming a force ghost in TRoS.
That looks really great jonh! Excellent job so far. I’m curious, how did you create the shots where they all raise their hands to help Rey?
For obi wan, anakin and luke, I have photographed my hand, and for yoda, I did a montage with the ROTS yoda arm …
frankensteinsI think I’m going insane… The video attached to that link says it was uploaded a week ago, and there’s no shots of them lifting hands…
in part 2 where they raise their hands
https://vimeo.com/412387620
password_shieldit’s still unfinished 😃
Simply phenomenal…so much talent on these forums. This is exactly what I was wishing for in the theater the first time I saw this film. I love the collaborative effort here of everyone feeding each other ideas and combining them to make something truly special. Can’t wait to see the final product!
Darth Sadifous suggested making the fluid red when first discussing this idea, and as soon as I tried it I liked it. It brings color contrast to the scene, it feels a little more Palpatine to me, and I found the green vats a bit cliche. I could try the green, though, if that’s what people prefer!
Great job! This was what I had in mind and the updates since then are even better. The red bacta was also originally intended in TESB and matches adywan’s fan edit when he reinstated the original color. It really came out well; you are an editing god!
Thank you!
So… I have another problem here.If the first part of the movie revolves around the FLEET, and not Palpatine, how can I make the Resistance find out about him?
Kylo finds Palpatine because he goes to Exegol, but how do Rey and the others do the same? I cannot keep it a secret, because Kylo tells Rey about Palpatine…
I need a scene which can be used to pass the info to the Resistance.
Perhaps use the Palpatine speech from “Fortnite” to reveal the return of “the senate” to the resistance.
https://vimeo.com/412387620
password:shieldForce Shield concept V1
The real MVP! All your work so far is awesome. I really like the force shield and the ghost aiding Rey in her defeat of Palapatine. However, I’m down for making it more subtle since that seems to be the general feedback. Keep killing it!
So in this hypothetical version, Palpatine is dying, all this time he has been grooming Kylo and Rey, a prophesiced Dyad, to inherit the throne after his death. Palps gives the rundown to Kylo but he knows that there has to be a catch, he plays along but plans to kill him together with Rey. I think the dynamic between Kylo and Palps has to change, Palps will play the act of a weak, harmless old man, like the good old days with Anakin. Make Kylo less hostile, rather more intrigued. I’m working on a mockup that will go something like this:
- At last! My boy.
- Snoke trained you well.
- I killed Snoke.
- I made Snoke. I have been the voice inside your head.
- The first Order was just the beginning, I will give you so much more.
- I have died before, now I don’t have long, I’m weak - more than a clone, less than a man.
- What could you give me ?
- Everything - a new Empire, the might of the final order will soon be ready, It will be yours if you do what I ask.
- Become what your grand father Vader could not! Find the girl, Turn her and bring her before me. Together you will rule the galaxy as emperor and empress. Two that become one. A dyad of the dark-side of the force.
- Who is she ?
- Our blood. (just my crazy headcanon)
Here’s a proof of concept:
https://vimeo.com/411776713-Added in a hint of the “Palpatine’s teachings” track.
-Axed Snoke’s clone, as well as switching around the shots for better fluidity.
-Cut Snoke’s line “you have ever heard”.
-Cut Kylo’s aggression, he’s almost submissive, which in the context of this story makes his plan to kill Palps all the more pronounced.It be cool if someone could replace the vats of Snoke clones with ones of Palapatine instead.
It’s a good idea, but wouldn’t palps have to be naked? I’m getting queasy just thinking about it.
I was thinking close ups of failed cloned Palapatine(s) faces in tanks with red bacta around them. However, I do shutter to think of “The Senate” just letting it all hang out. I guess that is why the novelist of TRoS retconned Palaptine’s “son’s” origin. She couldn’t bring herself to picture the ole prune bumping uglies w/ some slave girl.
In other clone news, I do really think it be cool to replace the Sith Eternal Personnel with OG Jango Clones, but I know it probably be impossible to achieve. I think it would have been an awesome call back to the prequels, to Kylo’s line to Hux in TFA and would have gotten a pop from the audience. Also I think it would have gotten the point across that Palaptine is a clone subtly to the audience without have to come out and say it. One can dream…
Oh I’m sure it could be done with deepfakes, at least for any white males, it’s just I’m little hesitant given how heroic they’re portrayed as in TCW. Don’t wanna go against that.
I mean they did commit Order 66 which eradicated the Jedi Order and toppled the Republic. I think showing them as holdovers of Palapatine’s Sith Fleet in the Unknown Regions would be fitting and help link Palaptine to being a clone himself. Honestly if someone went with this idea, they could replace Snoke with clone of Jango during Kylo’s arrival scene on Exegol as well. I think it be nice if this film had more connective tissue to the prequels since it is suppose to be the end of the Saga.
Leia with a purple lightsaber: https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kFbUO3dgxNT1ESg3dzj2SUGcaic8ptqr
Rey with Leia’s purple lightsaber: https://drive.google.com/open?id=18bJX2RE0cdDpi1ODDrCjuGBJCAJQ1-iM
Looks absolutely amazing! It gives the blade such a unique feel and really pops in the atmosphere of Exegol. Also I think Rey using a purple blade like Mace really makes sense canonically with her embracing the dark side and the light for good.
What about something like this for Anakin?
the result is incredible !!! is very good! But don’t you think it’s strange to show a version of Anakin that we’ve never seen?
I mean, it would be logical to use young anakin, or directly to Sebastian shaw …
it is my opinion 😉
As cool as this is, I feel like it would be odd to be watching a marathon of the saga and have either the Shaw or Christensen version of Anakin at the end of ROTJ and then have an amalgamation of the two at the end of TROS. However, if I had a version of this hybrid Anakin in both films I think it be super cool!
So in this hypothetical version, Palpatine is dying, all this time he has been grooming Kylo and Rey, a prophesiced Dyad, to inherit the throne after his death. Palps gives the rundown to Kylo but he knows that there has to be a catch, he plays along but plans to kill him together with Rey. I think the dynamic between Kylo and Palps has to change, Palps will play the act of a weak, harmless old man, like the good old days with Anakin. Make Kylo less hostile, rather more intrigued. I’m working on a mockup that will go something like this:
- At last! My boy.
- Snoke trained you well.
- I killed Snoke.
- I made Snoke. I have been the voice inside your head.
- The first Order was just the beginning, I will give you so much more.
- I have died before, now I don’t have long, I’m weak - more than a clone, less than a man.
- What could you give me ?
- Everything - a new Empire, the might of the final order will soon be ready, It will be yours if you do what I ask.
- Become what your grand father Vader could not! Find the girl, Turn her and bring her before me. Together you will rule the galaxy as emperor and empress. Two that become one. A dyad of the dark-side of the force.
- Who is she ?
- Our blood. (just my crazy headcanon)
Here’s a proof of concept:
https://vimeo.com/411776713-Added in a hint of the “Palpatine’s teachings” track.
-Axed Snoke’s clone, as well as switching around the shots for better fluidity.
-Cut Snoke’s line “you have ever heard”.
-Cut Kylo’s aggression, he’s almost submissive, which in the context of this story makes his plan to kill Palps all the more pronounced.It be cool if someone could replace the vats of Snoke clones with ones of Palapatine instead.
It’s a good idea, but wouldn’t palps have to be naked? I’m getting queasy just thinking about it.
I was thinking close ups of failed cloned Palapatine(s) faces in tanks with red bacta around them. However, I do shutter to think of “The Senate” just letting it all hang out. I guess that is why the novelist of TRoS retconned Palaptine’s “son’s” origin. She couldn’t bring herself to picture the ole prune bumping uglies w/ some slave girl.
In other clone news, I do really think it be cool to replace the Sith Eternal Personnel with OG Jango Clones, but I know it probably be impossible to achieve. I think it would have been an awesome call back to the prequels, to Kylo’s line to Hux in TFA and would have gotten a pop from the audience. Also I think it would have gotten the point across that Palaptine is a clone subtly to the audience without have to come out and say it. One can dream…
I’m surprised you guys like 1 over the others. He seems really hunched over. The proportions for 2 feel like the best, to me. And it feels less like a still image than the others.
I completely agree; the body just looks odd in 1 and very unnatural to me. 2 or 3 are cool with me though.
all right! It is the one that I like the most too. 😃
I think the third one is the best too, then the second and finally the first. The first one is the only one that comes off as super odd to me. Keep up the amazing work!
So in this hypothetical version, Palpatine is dying, all this time he has been grooming Kylo and Rey, a prophesiced Dyad, to inherit the throne after his death. Palps gives the rundown to Kylo but he knows that there has to be a catch, he plays along but plans to kill him together with Rey. I think the dynamic between Kylo and Palps has to change, Palps will play the act of a weak, harmless old man, like the good old days with Anakin. Make Kylo less hostile, rather more intrigued. I’m working on a mockup that will go something like this:
- At last! My boy.
- Snoke trained you well.
- I killed Snoke.
- I made Snoke. I have been the voice inside your head.
- The first Order was just the beginning, I will give you so much more.
- I have died before, now I don’t have long, I’m weak - more than a clone, less than a man.
- What could you give me ?
- Everything - a new Empire, the might of the final order will soon be ready, It will be yours if you do what I ask.
- Become what your grand father Vader could not! Find the girl, Turn her and bring her before me. Together you will rule the galaxy as emperor and empress. Two that become one. A dyad of the dark-side of the force.
- Who is she ?
- Our blood. (just my crazy headcanon)
Here’s a proof of concept:
https://vimeo.com/411776713-Added in a hint of the “Palpatine’s teachings” track.
-Axed Snoke’s clone, as well as switching around the shots for better fluidity.
-Cut Snoke’s line “you have ever heard”.
-Cut Kylo’s aggression, he’s almost submissive, which in the context of this story makes his plan to kill Palps all the more pronounced.
As a rough proof of concept I love it. Do you think it is possible to clean up the new audio enough that it blends seamlessly? It be cool if someone could replace the vats of Snoke clones with ones of Palapatine instead, but that might be asking for too much VFX wizardry.
May you PM a link to this edit when you have a moment? I cannot wait to see it as I find Episode II on of the most flawed movies of the saga.
Jonh, seriously props to you for being so optimistic and generous with the feedback we’ve been giving you. I think this was something most people were hoping to see (I remember reading how many people online were hoping to see Anakin). I think if we can get a few solid versions of this, plus a few other major changes from some other editors around here, I think we can create a surprisingly different version of The Rise of Skywalker.
EDIT: If I had to nominate an extra Jedi to add, I wouldn’t say Leia since, like Hal said, her body is still on “Jungleworld” at this point. I would argue that you could put Qui-Gon on the far left, next to Anakin, though. I mean, he’s basically the reason all of them are even able to be force ghosts. Plus, we literally here Qui-Gon say “We stand behind you, Rey.”
Hell, if Rosario Dawson does end up showing up as Ahsoka in the Mandalorian, as rumors have been suggesting, I could see a future version of this with her standing there. That way you could have at least one female Jedi behind her.
Thank you vary much!
In this version I will not include a Qui-gon, but later, if you want it for your edition, I can include it 😃
I certainly would like to see a version w/ Qui-Gon Jinn, but I understand why he should probably be omitted from the final edit. That being said, I wish Liam Neeson who get to revisit the character in some capacity outside of the clone wars in the future. Qui Gon and Maul (Obi-Wan too) are the highlights of Episode I to me and their omission in the rest of the prequel films is definitely felt IMO.
Personally, I am more in favor of option two. I would love to revisit the main clone war arcs while I am having a SW movie marathon. However, that prospect is somewhat daunting as they episodes are often released out of chronological order and I have to reference a list to remember the primary episodes I want to focus on. Also option one would be more akin to just cherry picking the arcs that interest me and watching them as they currently are in order. Option two is more appeal because it is condensed and feels like a continuation of the films that I can watch between episodes II and III. Just my two cents, but thanks for all the effort. “We will watch your career with great interest”.
Jedi ghosts advanced
I have replaced yoda and anakin, and have made them more visible…
https://vimeo.com/409718237
password:jedi
This just keeps getting better and better! Truly amazing; what I also wanted from the first time I saw the film in the cinema! Keep up the great work and may the force be with you.
When the dyad show up you could have Palpatine say “Your coming together will be your undoing” from the trailer and have him immediately suck the life out of them, springing the trap he set up at the start of the film.
Totally down for this. Love the idea of using the few alternate lines of dialogue we have access to, to rework the narrative on screen.
That’s some very nice work. However, I think the only way I would actually want to use it as if it is so subtle that it’s almost hard to notice on the first viewing.
??? jedi ghosts v4…with anakin
https://vimeo.com/409718237
password:jedi
Love this! Definitely what I was actually expecting when I saw the film for the first time. I hope multiple fan editors here adopt this in their edits or something similar. Great job!
The Final Order Revealed:
https://vimeo.com/409356850
(rough, as always)
- New music
- Extended reveal a bit (pushed back when Palpatine starts talking)
- Cut out Rey being “not who she seems”
- Cut to Rey meditating after, instead of the Falcon
I really enjoyed this even though I am not a strong advocate for Rey being changed to a nobody. However, I understand why many want this change and have loved viewing all your edits so far. Quick question, perhaps you have already answered this before. Do you plan on adding in Palpatine’s “Fortnite Speech” in this edit? I really like it and though this may be the scene to overlay it as we see the sith fleet rise from the ice.
Hello, I am perfecting my version of the force ghost, I need to find good shoots of obi wan and anakin…
https://vimeo.com/409435967
password:jedi
This is so wizard! I look forward to seeing the final version. I hope you are sticking with the Sir Alec Guinness version for continuity sake. It took me awhile to let go of Sebastian Shaw at the end of RoTJ, but I’ve come to accept Hayden’s version at the end of that film. I am assuming you’ll use that version of Anakin (Hayden) for this shot?