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#1372405
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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Rodney-2187 said:

Has the level of restoration combined with modern home theater technology achieved a level that surpasses what audiences originally were able to see in theaters?

A facile reply would be, ‘Depends on the theater’.

The theatrical experience in 1977 was compromised by factors such as:

  • The duplication stock (projection print) and how the print was made. If you saw a print made by Technicolor in the US, it might have weaker tonality than one made by Technicolor in Rome for the European market because of the high speed duplication preferred by the former. Dupe stock has improved a lot since the 70s as well, so a projection print in 1977 is less likely to have been faithful to the final answer print approved by the director.

  • Projection of the print at less than full luminance. This money saving trick is still alive and well, and I noticed it the second time I saw Solo (the first cinema I saw it at were not so stingy).

  • Projecting a worn out print.

  • Poor maintenance of the projector and not correcting for faults like misfocus, dirt behind the projector lens, motor instability and tears in the optical track.

  • Under-powered amplification and damaged speakers, and not enough speakers for Dolby Stereo (hence the need for the SW mono mix).

If you saw a new print at a theater with a good projectionist and a responsible manager, the picture quality would be pleasing but not as sharp as what you would see from a modern 4k projector. However the soundtrack would be nowhere near as immersive, even if it was in Dolby Stereo through decent speakers.

Saying that, in 1977 it is more likely there would have been an usher on hand to kick out people who were talking. And no mobiles 😁

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#1371342
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Harrison Ford in "Solo: A Star Wars Story" - Amazing deepfake
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ZigZig said:

I feel that using deepfakes is more in the way of filming of George Lucas than Disney: Lucas has always tried to do without “living” actors in his films, and to replace them with image banks or CGI-characters that he could assemble at will during the film editing (IIRC, he speaks frankly about this wish in the bonuses of AotC).

I believe that he would probably use these deepfakes extensively in his new films if he had kept the license of SW. And the result wouldn’t be as ugly as CGI-Leia and CGI-Tarkin, nor as rambling as using Carrie Fisher’s old takes in TRoS and trying to make a story around them.

This chimes with a quote from the late Mel Smith, director of ‘Radioland Murders’ and a well-loved member of the British comedy anti-establishment.

In a December 2010 interview with the Daily Mail, he is quoted as saying:

"George doesn’t understand comedy, so the movie [Radioland Murders] flopped. At least it taught me how to use CGI. George is obsessed with it and used too much in the last two Star Wars films — which I thought were ghastly.

“He’s been buying up the film rights to dead movie stars in the hope of using computer trickery to put them all together in a movie, so you’d have Orson Welles and Barbara Stanwyck appear alongside today’s stars.”

Lucasfilm denied this was the case afterwards, but it has stuck in my mind since I first read it.

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#1370861
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Flash Gordon Rumor - now a 'general discussion' thread for Flash Gordon
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I imported the 5-disc set from the UK and just finished watching the 4K version. It’s outstanding. Unlike many HDR presentations, I rarely felt like it went overboard in terms of contrast. Still mostly looked filmic.

Hi Jay, did you notice any problems with the soundtrack?

I’ve got the Zavvi 3 disc 4K steelbook, which is the Studio Canal UK edition of the remaster. I can only watch the blu-ray (no 4K gear yet) but the 5.1 DTS MA soundtrack on my disc is a mess. One of the AV forums here in the UK has picked up on this as well.

The Queen soundtrack is phasey and distorted, music was routed through the front right and centre speakers. I’ve asked Zavvi if they have heard about a recall yet (unlikely).

Update: Turns out the dialogue is meant to be routed through the front speakers and everything else through the rear ones. Re-setting the speaker mode on my receiver should fix the problem. The stereo soundtrack is fine. Perhaps the studio created a surround mix from the original stereo magnetic track using something like CEDAR Cambridge software.

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#1368291
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4K restoration on Star Wars
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In the UK, the 3-disc steelbook releases of the individual Original Trilogy films (exclusive to Zavvi; 1 4K disc, 1 blu ray disc, 1 bonus material disc) does apparently feature the 2019 SE version on the blu ray.

Unfortunately there are reports of scratched cases with these steelbooks. I have not had a chance to check mine yet and won’t be able to for a couple of weeks.

People have been offered partial refunds, but not exchanges, which suggests there are no more discs left. Episodes IV and V were offered for sale twice, VI just once I think. The prequel discs have been offered twice, the sequel trilogy just once as far as I’m aware (that is, for the current ST steelbooks, there have been previous editions).

The run has been estimated as about 3,500 per title. Zavvi exclusives usually sell out within a day, the SW titles sold out within hours.

Given the steelbook situation I might get the plastic case 4k discs from FNAC or Amazon France as they have them for sale, unlike Amazon UK and Zavvi.

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#1364640
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Just wanted to say that Zavvi in the UK now have pre-orders open again for the OT 4K steelbooks. Right now (Thursday morning) orders are only open for ‘Red Carpet’ members but if there are any discs left, they will probably open orders on the main site later today or tomorrow. Unfortunately the Empire disc still shows the teaser poster image of Darth Vader as the cover art, which breaks the flow with the images for ANH and ROTJ.

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#1359802
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Is it Lucas, or Fox, who has prevented the restored OOT release?
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LexX said:

While it was interesting, it barely covered anything. All the questions seemed to be beforehand asked/selected. I’d love to hear the full Marcia interview, that would be so great. It would be nice to know what she thinks about the prequels or if he and George have been in touch at all etc.

Unfortunately he did not address the OOT question. I didn’t realise questions had to be sent via Twitter.

However, regarding Star Wars in general, he said as much as he could without putting himself in legal peril. There are comments in the Youtube video that some will use as fuel on the fire regarding Disney and the sequels.

The Kazanjian book sounds interesting. Two versions on the way.

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#1359664
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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The video telecines are not good references for color, and generally oversaturated. I’m using 35mm print frames as a reference for these colors. C-3PO is a brass color, and the rebel soldier has slightly peachy pink skin with red blush.

Ah, okay. That makes sense - thanks for your reply 👍

I wondered if the ‘sunburn’ was caused by the infamous summer of 1976 but those corridor shots were filmed in April.

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#1359650
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

In light of the colors for the Vader/Antilles sequence, that I’m very happy with, I think there’s too much yellow in the earlier shots:

I’m looking at the screen capture on a calibrated monitor and it does not seem too yellow to me. If anything, it just looks desaturated in red/magenta (rebel skin tones) and yellow (Threepio). The middle aged rebel who gets the close up is possibly ‘supposed’ to appear sunburnt, for example. At least that is how he always looked to me on PAL VHS tapes and UK broadcasts.

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#1358488
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Is it Lucas, or Fox, who has prevented the restored OOT release?
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SilverWook said:

No, but if as many of us as possible were in the chat and ask the same question? But is Rinzler in any position to know or comment on it?

He may know GL’s position on whether the OT should be given a high quality release, but may not be able to comment.

Hopefully he can explain why his Star Wars blog had to be withdrawn (we can guess, but it would interesting if he gave more details) and also confirm whether his ‘Making of the Force Awakens’ book will ever be published.

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#1351987
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Idea: Interstellar - Is an audio remix possible?
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One of my biggest bugbears with Chris Nolan’s Interstellar is the soundtrack. Overbearing sound effects, incomprehensible dialogue, deafening music… you get the drift. I know it was all intentional but I have to ride the volume control the whole time when viewing the film.

I would like to know if it is possible to extract the audio from the DTS-HD 5.1 blu-ray and remix it.

Any suggestions welcome.

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#1349879
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Zavvi UK do have the individual 3-disc Steelbook releases for the OT as being available from June onwards… so hopefully there’ll also be individual releases for the various ‘Skywalker Saga’ films available around then too…
 

The New Hope and Empire 4K steelbooks are sold out for preorder, though there may be more stock later in the summer.

The Return of the Jedi 4K steelbook is now available for preorder.

Update 06/04/20:

Zavvi have just sent an email notification that more than 20 previously sold out steelbook titles will be on sale again in the next few days, but only to subscribers to their Red Carpet service (£10 for one year). I suspect the ANH and ESB steelbooks might be two of the titles on offer. This is annoying but over one year the subscription might pay for itself.

Another update (sorry!):

Panic over - none of the steelbooks are Star Wars titles. Mainly Marvel.

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#1336717
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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I was really hoping that these bonus features ported over from the old DVDs would be slightly better quality due to compression. I never expected them to be worse. Waste of bloody money. I only purchased the UHD box set for the features and EP 9, as i will never watch the prequels. I wish i’d gone with my original plan and cancelled the box set when i ordered months ago and waited for the individual episodes to be released on UHD over here.

EDIT: Just checked “Anatomy of a Dewback” & ROTS’s “Within a Minute” features and both are 4:3 , jaggedy mess letterbox, the same as “The Beginning” . But ROTS’s “The journey” is 16:9 anamorphic but still suffers with the interlacing jaggedy mess issues

Aaarghh… that’s terrible. I hope you can get a refund.

Either way it might be worth alerting Bill Hunt at the Digital Bits about this, and the members of the Blu-ray.com forum if you are a member there. Bill Hunt might be able to get a response from Disney.

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#1336654
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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Chewielewis said:

I do wonder if that green tone is from the HDR to SDR conversion. These caps from the new HD bluray don’t seem to have the same tones on the stormtroopers.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Star-Wars-Episode-IV-A-New-Hope-4K-Blu-ray/257142/#Screenshots

I find that any HDR conversion screenshots hard to trust.

Good point. The screenshots near the top of the screen on that link look great. The shots lower down do not appear to have a strong colour cast but they look darker to me - something like one third of a stop in old fashioned camera terms.

I’m a bit brassed off with HDR… there seem to be so many pitfalls. A sales rep from a monitor company summed up his frustration with the HDR craze very well:

“Do you really want to wear sunglasses in the cinema?”

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#1336652
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Flash Gordon Rumor - now a 'general discussion' thread for Flash Gordon
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That’s a good question! Would he have kept it in a 1930’s/40’s milieu like the Filmation animated version did?

I guess we would need to find an interview where GL comments on the production design of the Flash Gordon serials or the ‘look’ of the comics. Lucas was/is a serious fan of comic art.

The Flash Gordon style clashes with the lived-in universe of Star Wars. I’m not sure a lived-in version of Flash would have been well received. Wisely the 1980 film is not at all realistic.

Strangely though, Lucas argued with cinematographer Gil Taylor over the use of diffusion in Star Wars. You can see it used in the Tatooine scenes but everything else is sharp. I can’t work out why Lucas wanted to use diffusion when the production design centred on realism. The prequel films all have a slightly diffused look. Maybe he was borrowing from Geoffrey Unsworth, the original choice for cinematographer on Star Wars. He was known for putting stockings on lenses - the best use of this being the opening sequence of 2001 where it looks spectacular.

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#1336517
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Star Wars: The Skywalker Saga 4k UHD -- 27 DISC Boxed Set -- 3/31/2020
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pat man said:

Darth Dougal said:

I’d like to see that. I feel with a slight White balance adjustments and slight Contrast boost these will look great (Apart from the use of DNR).

With apologies (and thanks) to Broom Kid…

http://www.framecompare.com/screenshotcomparison/9JF2JNNU

That looks Fantastic. It took out that green hue in the highlights.

It’s just a few seconds’ work - correct white balance using the stormtrooper armour as the anchor then raise contrast a few points. What I wonder is, if everyone who compares these screenshots finds the original looks ‘too green’, how come this wasn’t corrected in the mastering?