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#1457797
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SW DEED Colour grading
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Hello,

I remember Adywan Revisited… https://swrevisited.wordpress.com/how-to-get-revisited/

Doesn’t it appeared before than Harmy DEED?

I will have to reproduce all revisited/despecialized/others SW versions of every film at the same time in just one monitor to apreciate all changes, because it’s very difficult, there are too many official & unofficial versions
to imagine all changes.

Appart of Harmy and Adywan, I have seen that other people are making changes in some parts of the movies, could you say me where to find it?

Thanks!

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#1457758
Topic
SW DEED Colour grading
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That guy with no name said:

Dante1880 said:

CatBus said:

Maybe he’s thinking jaundice.

Anyway, without having to rehash a huge discussion thread too much, SW DeEd 2.x was graded based on a Technicolor reference print. Why? The theory was sound – everyone’s got their own idea of what looks good, but Harmy wasn’t interested in what looked good, he wanted what looked accurate. Since most Star Wars prints had long ago faded to pink vinegar, we had no good color references… except Technicolor prints, which didn’t fade much at all under the right circumstances.

The result? DeEd 2.7 looks very much like a Technicolor print you might have seen in a theater in 1977.

The bad news? Technicolor prints were often very unlike other 35mm prints in terms of colors. Especially around this time, they often had a heavy yellow cast. So DeEd 2.7 looks very unlike what you might have seen in a theater in 1977, if it wasn’t showing a Technicolor print (which was most of them).

Going forward, Harmy’s indicated that he plans for a more neutral grade, or even multiple grades, when he redoes Star Wars for the 3.x series.

EDIT: The 1993 versions of the films have their own issues. They are heavily magenta-tinted, so everyone has red faces instead of yellow faces. In terms of color accuracy to non-Technicolor source, the 1997 Special Editions are actually pretty good for commercial releases, although I think the home video versions still got messed up somehow. I’d say DrDre has the best sense of Star Wars colors, if you want to check some of his threads. Nobody should use the 1993 releases as a color reference.

I Will check all you say about different kind of films and its own characteristic colours, that is what I was refering but I didn’t knew how to say it, and I thought that the colour had been changed in your post-postproduction, but that was basically the idea. What I refer is that for me the colour of faces seems more natural in older LD or even in older VHS than in new versions.

I will check all of this to see if I found some new to say. I haven’t seen other versions than HARMY DEED so I couldn’t compare with new versions, I just compred with movies I downloaded.

Thanks to all and I hope we will talk soon.

Adywan made a color correction to the 2011 blu-ray, It looks very natural, want me to pm you a link?

Yes, please, I didn’t knew that exist another versions as Harmy did, I thought that other people corrections where added to Harmy movies as parts of the movies.

Thank you.

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#1457724
Topic
SW DEED Colour grading
Time

CatBus said:

Maybe he’s thinking jaundice.

Anyway, without having to rehash a huge discussion thread too much, SW DeEd 2.x was graded based on a Technicolor reference print. Why? The theory was sound – everyone’s got their own idea of what looks good, but Harmy wasn’t interested in what looked good, he wanted what looked accurate. Since most Star Wars prints had long ago faded to pink vinegar, we had no good color references… except Technicolor prints, which didn’t fade much at all under the right circumstances.

The result? DeEd 2.7 looks very much like a Technicolor print you might have seen in a theater in 1977.

The bad news? Technicolor prints were often very unlike other 35mm prints in terms of colors. Especially around this time, they often had a heavy yellow cast. So DeEd 2.7 looks very unlike what you might have seen in a theater in 1977, if it wasn’t showing a Technicolor print (which was most of them).

Going forward, Harmy’s indicated that he plans for a more neutral grade, or even multiple grades, when he redoes Star Wars for the 3.x series.

EDIT: The 1993 versions of the films have their own issues. They are heavily magenta-tinted, so everyone has red faces instead of yellow faces. In terms of color accuracy to non-Technicolor source, the 1997 Special Editions are actually pretty good for commercial releases, although I think the home video versions still got messed up somehow. I’d say DrDre has the best sense of Star Wars colors, if you want to check some of his threads. Nobody should use the 1993 releases as a color reference.

I Will check all you say about different kind of films and its own characteristic colours, that is what I was refering but I didn’t knew how to say it, and I thought that the colour had been changed in your post-postproduction, but that was basically the idea. What I refer is that for me the colour of faces seems more natural in older LD or even in older VHS than in new versions.

I will check all of this to see if I found some new to say. I haven’t seen other versions than HARMY DEED so I couldn’t compare with new versions, I just compred with movies I downloaded.

Thanks to all and I hope we will talk soon.

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#1457721
Topic
SW DEED Colour grading
Time

That guy with no name said:

Dante1880 said:

That guy with no name said:

what the hell are you talking about? the color grading of DeEd is based on an original 35mm print, also what’s all the weird talk about diphtheria?

my opinion.

Huh? diphtheria is a mucus-related nose infection, what does it have to do with star wars?

True, my opinion, my error. I wanted to say Icterus or Jaundice. I will edit first post for not doing the same fault to next readers. Sorry again.

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#1457692
Topic
SW DEED Colour grading
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Hello,

I have downloaded ‘Star.Wars.Despecialized.Edition.v2.7’ and ‘Star.Wars.Respecialized.Edition.97.Harmy’, and I have to say that is an incredible personal effort all the hours that are needed to come back all Star Wars movies that are part of our life and universal history.

But I have to say that there are parts of the movie that I don’t like it, just by the colour grading, because some parts doesn’t seems natural by the colour grading, and other parts has a natural appearance.

I refer par example to this scenes, comparing the before said versions of Star Wars with p.e. the Laserdisc Edition (even VHS edition) I didn’t have the luck of watching Star Wars when it appeared, but I have seen them maybe a hundred of times, 38 y.o.

I’m going to compare two ‘versions’, from ‘Star.Wars.Despecialized.Edition.v2.7’&‘Star.Wars.Respecialized.Edition.97.Harmy’ compared with
‘Star.Wars.IV.A.New.Hope.1977.Original.Theatrical.Laserdisc.1993.Cut.DVDRip.x264-HGK’. I supose that SW DEED v2.7 is not going to be the last version and there are more effort and hours awaiting to regret SW to its original appearance, but I have to say that ‘Star.Wars.Despecialized.Edition.v2.7’&‘Star.Wars.Respecialized.Edition.97.Harmy’ seems sometimes like in some scenes the principal actors have Icterus or Jaundice (not diphtheria as I said firstly), they seems between yellow and orange, and only I can think, sorry, has Icterus. Is not always, only in some scenes, but in the next scene the colour grading is more natural, as common movies, maybe “older” colours, as ancient movies, but that is nothing wrong.

I have some screenshots to show it: https://mega.nz/folder/ptVXyY5L#2KkKPx50c4VJQlQOczVYOA

Thank all of you by all your effort and enthusiasm.