Class316

Isn’t the blu ray uncensored?

http://www.dvdcompare.net/comparisons/film.php?fid=11890&sel=on

I actually have the correct answer. They have 3 versions in their archives

They have the literal 1991 Special Edition LD release: https://lccn.loc.gov/96517622

A 35mm copy of the laserdisc version: https://lccn.loc.gov/92509477

The abomination that is the 1982 version: https://lccn.loc.gov/91482431

So basically here we have a version that is closer to the original than what the Library of Congress has. It’s confirmed.

Based on the notes of the 35mm link they are at least aware that parts of the original are deleted and what they have isn’t original. Why that doesn’t bother them is shocking considering their policy on Star Wars.

Here’s a thought. In 1990 it went in the National Film Registry.

https://www.loc.gov/programs/national-film-preservation-board/film-registry/complete-national-film-registry-listing/

I know they refused to include the SE version of the original Star Wars. But what about Fantasia? Which version is in there? Sunflower or no Sunflower?

While I don’t know, my guess would be the same version that the VHS and Laserdisc got since it was put in the registry at the same time those were released.

So when you download this, you likely have a version of Fantasia that is better than what the Library of Congress has.

SpacemanDoug said:

Class316 said:

I too have the Australian blu. Wouldn’t mind the US Theatrical cut in HD.

I found this 10GB version on myspleen

Conan.the.Barbarian.1982.Theatrical.Cut.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-ETHiCS.mkv.torrent

Ah yes that’s my upload and it’s taken from a much more recent scan, it looks better than the blu-ray and the missing audio cues and sound effects are restored on it

Interesting. Guess I’ll get this version then.

I too have the Australian blu. Wouldn’t mind the US Theatrical cut in HD.

I found this 10GB version on myspleen

Conan.the.Barbarian.1982.Theatrical.Cut.1080p.AMZN.WEB-DL.DDP2.0.H.264-ETHiCS.mkv.torrent

Sword In The Stone has an awesome open matte hd streaming rip with no DNR.

Cinderalla of Thunderbean is actually 16mm not 35mm. Don’t know about the other Thunderbeans.

WaltWiz1901 said:

JadedSkywalker said:

On Thunderbean what is the 1967 feature, and 1973 feature?

I don’t want to order them unless they are Jungle Book and Robin Hood.

The 1967 and 1973 features are The Jungle Book and Robin Hood (and they’re both open-matte). Thunderbean always addresses the Disney film prints they sell on disc as “[year of release] features” (for somewhat obvious reasons).

Redbreast1 said:

But Sleeping Beauty is 1959… whereas Cinderella is 1950? So which is right? Does anyone know?

It’s more likely Cinderella.

Interesting…open matte. That would make them more desirable for these titles. So I guess add these 2 for the film scans list.

I meant Cinderella don’t know why I said Sleeping Beauty.

RU.08 said:

I’ll be doing Lion King hopefully this year, hopefully we’ll be re-scanning SOTS sometime and BATB hopefully later in the year from a better print. I’ll also be digitising several classics this year from a collection, we’re just working out how best to get the films cleaned first and then they’ll all be transferred en-mass (or as we can afford to) and I should be able to share with donors. For example, we can scan 3 or 4 distinctly separate Snow White prints on 35 and 16mm. There’s something like 20 prints probably covering about 8 classics we can scan in that collection.

I’m still hamstring by funding though.

Lion King would be so awesome and so needed!

Regarding Snow White, I believe Thunderbean did it

https://www.thunderbeanshop.com/product/1937-feature-special-blu-ray-bdr/

Sleeping Beauty as well

https://www.thunderbeanshop.com/product/1950-feature-special-blu-ray/

fmalover said:

I don’t know about a 35mm scan of Song of the South, only a 16mm scan available on myspleen.

This is one of the releases on myspleen:

V2 Disney’s Song Of The South [35mm Restoration]

Song Of The South is well known as the “Banned” Disney Movie, with no official DVD or Blu-ray of any type, with the highest quality official version being a Japanese Laserdisk. This is based off of a 1080p 35mm scan, this is a huge improvement over most versions.

SpacemanDoug said:

Off topic but might wanna fix that typo lol

I know Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and Lion King are others that exist but they’re donor exclusive

Aladdin is not donor exclusive. The one I have even has an uncensored audio track.

I’d love to see that Lion King one. Disney changed so much for that. I do have a laserdisc rip. Would be nice to delete it.

I know there’s

Song of the South
Aladdin
Lady and the Tramp (not 2.55:1 OAR, it’s cropped to 2.35:1)

What else is out there?

Here’s a comparison of the LD, blu, and shots from the TonyWDA 35mm project.

LD: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/93/e2/zKKAxg1A_t.png

2000 DVD: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/be/c0/jG3MbZL4_t.jpg

2010 blu: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/c3/f3/5N8CwTYS_t.jpg

35mm: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/fe/ea/IBa44W9U_t.png

Here it seems the blu ray is closest to 35mm colors.

On the other hand, look at this comparison:

LD: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/a9/45/o82fTs5m_t.png

2010 blu: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/71/a2/9ptp4l9C_t.jpg

35mm: https://thumbs2.imgbox.com/37/e8/Ck48FlYF_t.jpg

Here the LD colors are closest to 35mm!

So who knows which colors are the most correct.

I must say though I do prefer the laserdisc colors in both cases. Regardless which colors are correct, the 2010 colors are look like the picture was dipped in blue jello and photographed from above the surface. The laserdisc colors seem richer and more varied. In the second one for instance, the laserdisc captures the essence of the hell and fire so much better than the 2010 one. The 2010 is lame in that respect. Another reason to be glad this laserdisc restoration now exists.

I’d say this Laserdisc restoration is the most definitive version that exists, even if it doesn’t look the best on HD TVs.

UncutIsSuperior said:

Class316 said:

No need for that since we have the laserdisc. At this point people should work uncensoring the blu ray or getting a 35mm scan.

The blu ray footage edited to fix censorship and made to fit the audio tracks of the version I released would be a good project someone can work on now. Then people can have a choice between the laserdisc image and the HD blu ray one while still retaining full video, original audio, and Deems Taylor’s voice.

I’ve actually done an uncensored version of either the DVD or Blu-Ray version.

You have? Share the love then! The only one I’ve seen is the uncensored DVD on myspleen and that crashes on VLC (therefore you have the run the vob files directly).

UncutIsSuperior said:

SkinnyV said:

While we are waiting for the ultimate version, I worked on it for the past two weeks or so and have made my own restoration of the 1990 CAV LaserDisc version of Fantasia for those that are interested. This obviously won’t beat what poita is working on, but should be pretty decent to have while waiting. Its funny how we went for years without much for Fantasia restoration, and suddenly have two released on the same week almost at the same time lol

Nice. I was going to make an uncensored version of that same version, using the 1991 VHS version of the movie.

No need for that since we have the laserdisc. At this point people should work uncensoring the blu ray or getting a 35mm scan.

The blu ray footage edited to fix censorship and made to fit the audio tracks of the version I released would be a good project someone can work on now. Then people can have a choice between the laserdisc image and the HD blu ray one while still retaining full video, original audio, and Deems Taylor’s voice.

Growing up, I was fortunate to watch lots of cartoons uncensored. Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Disney, Tex Avery, and others. Those were my childhood. The mammy from Tom and Jerry yelling Thoooommmasss is a voice that resonates my youth.

Somehow, someway, I even managed to watch a couple of the censored 11. Not sure how, but when I watched them recently I definitely remembered a couple of them from my childhood.

On comes the pc police to tell me that my childhood was bad? They can go fuck themselves!

There are tons of cartoons that don’t portray Caucasian folks in a flattering matter. Characters ranging from Elmer J Fudd and Yosemite Sam to the likes of Beavis and Butt Head. No one ever complains about those or censors those.

In my view, feeling “uncomfortable” watching an uncensored Pastoral Symphony is exactly what is wrong with this nation and the world in general.

It’s come to a point where nothing can be done for fear of offending. Look at Apu from the Simpsons for instance! It’s enraging to even think about. But of course NO complaints about Cletus Spuckler and his family.

MattMahdi said:

I’m not sure how I feel about an uncensored Fantasia.

Getting back to the original film, without a number of digital enhancements, is unquestionably a good thing. But I’m not sure how I’ll feel when I actually see Sunflower present in the film itself instead as an excised curiosity.

Thank you, though, for your perseverance. I’ll look forward to seeing this!

Sunflower is part of the movie and part of what Walt himself wanted. Anyone who doesn’t like it shouldn’t watch Fantasia.

There are several other servant creatures in the Pastoral Symphony that aren’t named Sunflower. Nothing wrong with those either.

At first glance it looks like the audio from the CLV is basically the same as the stereo/fantasound track on the CAV release from myspleen. Which is what I would have guessed.

SilverWook said:

I don’t think I captured the video at the time, and most of my stuff is in storage for the foreseeable future. I can share the PCM audio if you could use it?

You did before and I have it, thanks.

SilverWook said:

Since one is capturing the video in motion, CLV or CAV is irrelevant. If there are audio differences between the editions, obviously you want the tracks from both…

Release the full clv video then maybe we can improve this release? We already have patched audio tracks so half the work is done right there.

My guess is it’s more or less the same audio for both.

SilverWook said:

Wouldn’t the CLV release be a better source for the video? I captured the PCM from my copy a couple years ago and no rot.

Would it? According to wikipedia,

CAV was used in the LaserDisc format for interactive titles; it was also used with special editions of certain films.[2] CAV allowed for perfect still frames, as well as random access to any given frame on a disc. Playing time, however, was 30 minutes on each side (these discs are also known as “standard play”), as opposed to 60 minutes on each side for CLV->based discs (“extended play”).

So CAV had half the amount of video of CLV, which would mean better quality vid than CLV? Plus it was CAV used for the higher end LDs.

Perhaps someone more knowledgeable can confirm.

Tatder said:

Is it possible to have a link in PM ? 😉

Sure is

Good news everyone! This is done, this is up, and this looks AWESOME! I figured since February is a politically correct month it’s only fitting to release a restored Fantasia in February! I don’t think we’re allowed to post Mega links here. But I do have a link ready. Here is the write up of this release. If you release it on torrent sites please keep the following write up along with it:

Hello everyone. My username is Class316, and over the years it has bothered me that there was been no authentic version of Fantasia available for viewing (officially or otherwise). Unlike the Original Star Wars Trilogy, Song of the South, and many others, Fantasia never got the same love. So over the years I took it upon myself to find a way to change that.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of all ages, I present to you something that is not only long overdue, but also making its Internet debut! Disney’s timeless classic Fantasia with Fantasound, Deems Taylor’s voice, AND all the censored scenes restored!

As most of you may know, in what is probably one of the earliest cases of cartoon censorship in the name of political correctness, the “offensive” scenes from the Pastoral Symphony of Fantasia were cut out in 1969, never to be seen in official form again. Additionally, Fantasound was lost to time.

In the early 90s Disney would recreate Fantasound theatrically in two theaters, one in New York and one in Los Angeles. This would be dubbed as “Fantasound 90”. And this would be the basis of the audio in the VHS, Laserdisc, and soundtrack CD released in the early 90s. Although a few seconds of audio is missing from the Pastoral Symphony of those releases due to the censorship. Regarding the intros, these home releases use the shortened (and generally more preferred) intros by Deems Taylor.

In 2000, Disney released Fantasia on DVD. This was dubbed “original and uncut” on the cover. Was it uncut? Debatable. It PANNED the “offensive” scenes (thus yielding complete audio at least) but it is anything but “original” as Disney blatantly falsely advertised on the front cover. Additionally, unlike the LD, the DVD audio is far gone from Fantasound. To boot, Disney chose to use the longer intros. In itself perhaps not necessarily a bad thing as some might prefer that. But the audio of said intros were so deteriorated that they couldn’t be used. So rather than work with what was still usable, Disney decided to completely dub Deems Taylor’s voice entirely with that of actor Corey Burton.

Here is a youtube comparison of the uncensored Pastoral Symphony segment compared to the modern-day censored versions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyPFibRadto

In 2010 Fantasia was released on blu ray and its audio was even more far gone from Fantasound than the DVD release (and of course retained the dubbing and censorship of the DVD release).

Another “feature” of both the DVD and blu ray releases is the visual “retouching” that Disney is infamous for when it comes to their older films. Meaning the laserdisc more so reflects the work of the original artists than the more modern releases do.

Now there have been projects on the Internet that have restored all the censored scenes back into Fantasia. But all those releases use the DVD or blu ray release as the basis. Meaning there has yet to be a fully authentic version of Fantasia that is available, officially or otherwise. That is up until February 2021!

Over the years I had collected many Fantasia related things, these include but are not limited to:

In December 2018, I was given (by someone who has long disappeared) a great looking HD version of the censored scenes.

In August 2020, Myspleen.com user AlanGrant released a wonderful rip of the early 90s CAV laserdisc. Here is his write up of it, and I quote:

-start-

This is the 1990 remaster of Fantasia transferred from the CAV LaserDisc boxset, released in January of 1991. This serves not only as a preservation of the 1990 remaster, but of the LaserDisc itself as this is one of numerous disc sets that has disc rot issues which will intensify with time.

Several noticeable differences to other, more modern releases include:

-Color timing is much brighter, especially in the “Nutcracker Suite” section of the film

-A recreation of the 1940 intermission card is used as a title, as opposed to the 1941 “RKO” titlecard used for the 81-minute cut and all post-2000 releases

-Alternate shots with the orchestra in darkness are used for Taylor’s narration; later cuts restore Taylor’s speaking footage

-Deems Taylor’s narration, which was replaced by an actor’s redub in post-2000 releases of the film due to deteriorated optical soundtracks

-A ~115 minute runtime made to resemble the 1946 release of the film (which restored Toccata and Fugue), as opposed to the 124-minute 1940 Roadshow version

-An end credits sequence, which all other versions lack

This boxset suffers laser rot to some degree due to the glue used; thankfully here, it’s contained to the very beginning of each side. It will be most noticeable in the beginning of the film but each subsequent disc/side has less visual “disc rot”.

Transferred using a DVL-90 player, DMR-ES15 passthrough to an AJA Kona LHe card using the S-video input.

Captured as a raw image sequence which was then ran through QTGMC and exported as a 10-bit 4.2.2 H.264 video through ffmpeg (Placebo setting).

(The film runs at 59.94p to better preserve the LaserDisc image as the high framerate and raw modulated image combine to create a “clearer” picture to the eye.)

Digital audio track piped from the DVL-90 to an X-fi Titanium card, bit-matched and recorded as a 44100Hz 16-bit PCM; the file is directly muxed to the .mkv.

Analogue audio was transferred using the AJA KONA LHe card and exported as a monaural Opus file.

Captions were transferred by way of DVD burning on the Panasonic DMR-ES15, ripped using MakeMKV/MKVCleaver and corrected to the .mkv timing in SubtitleEdit.

Chapter stops and titles are direct from the “Chapter Index” insert in the CAV boxset.

-end-

So here I had the most authentic looking and sounding version of Fantasia that Disney put out (ie a HQ LD rip), I had a great looking clip of the censored scenes, among other things.

After many attempts of trying and failing to find someone with the necessary skills and patience to insert the scenes back into the LD and patch up the missing LD audio, on comes user Starbond9 of originaltrilogy.com. I sent him all Fantasia related materials I had collected over the years, and he did a fantastic job. To summarize, he reinserted all the “offensive” scenes into the LD, he patched up the missing audio of the stereo/Fantasound track with that of the DVD audio (the next closest thing we have to Fantasound after the LD), and he patched up the missing audio of the mono track with audio from his own vinyl record!

Here is his write up on what he did, and I quote:

-start-

-Added 5 individual scenes featuring Sunflower and Otica (the centaurette who assists Bacchus)

-Sources on these clips are the audioless HD clips floating around online, color adjusted for LD (adjusted by originaltrilogy.com member Brodnation). The scene with the carpet was from a personal source found on the internet

-3 of said clips were inserted by removing panned/zoomed/and looped existing animations

-2 clips required expanding the video track and inserting a stereo and mono dub as the audio tracks of the movie were physically shortened, see below. (this is also heard on the 1990 CD and Legacy Collection versions of Pastoral)

-Used the DVD stereo audio track as dub source for the missing Fantasound track. These few seconds are NOT Dolby Prologic so listeners with the setting will notice a loss of spatial surround when the two dub spots play. Regular stereo listeners will not notice an issue

-Used a personal copy of a 1961 Mono LP of Pastoral as the dub source for the mono audio track

-Adjusted chapter and subtitles beyond the Pastoral Sunflower clip insert to match the ~8 second shift

-Technical: demuxed individual tracks, remuxed with MKVtoolnix, project assembled in Vegas Pro 14

-end-

I would like to thank him for his time and effort, and for finally bringing an authentic version of Fantasia that showcases, in all its glory, all three of Fantasound, Deems Taylor’s voice, AND the full video/audio of the Pastoral Symphony.

Hopefully someone can also use these two patched up audio tracks for any future Fantasia projects, such as HD 35mm film scans or edits of the blu ray footage.

Please feel free to release this on Torrent, my only request is you keep this write up along with it.

Grindhouse release on myspleen is the best way to watch this movie outside of the very rough laserdisc release. So definitely looking forward to this one.