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#1431546
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Help: Looking For... Forrest Gump on 35mm
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I think we need a reality check before we make anymore threads. The number of 35mm scans out in the wild is tiny, maybe 20-30, and the scans that do exsist are rather poor color references, also any in theatre recordings will also be very poor color referrences, even theatre cams shot today do not give accurate color references, let alone anything shot in 1993.

I also think we need to chill out about things “not looking like the theatrical version”.

Every o-neg sourced Bluray or 4K scan has to be regraded from the ground up. shot by shot. These films were originally color timed optically (each frame exposed to a new negative using different intensities of red, blue and green lights) and will look different when graded using modern digital grading. Sometimes these new grades can look bluer or yellower or redder than previous releasees, but its not always clear if this is more or less like a theatrical print. But it is usually to make a film feel more visually and tonally cohesive.

Now granted there are some films that go too far with their regrading, The fellowship of the ring EE bluray, the matrix Bluray, Star Wars DVD. These films are a new creative interpretation of the material, supervised by the directors or the DP.

As far as Forrest Gump goes, Id hardly call it a green tint. The film looks different to the previous Bluray release and I’d probably call that one too red and too contrasty. But the teal is very subtitle and feels tonally consistent. https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=427&y=253&d1=13321&d2=11966&s1=133231&s2=118095&l=0&i=11&go=1

But you should just watch it, any color bias in the picture will be neutralised by your own eyes, your eyes are fantastic at balancing color, especially between cool and warm tones.

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#1431166
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Help: Looking for... Mouse Hunt HDTV Rips
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I don’t know if Id call it a dark blue tint over the entire movie. Certain scenes are a lot bluer that in other releases but other scenes, well lit ones, are very warm with well saturated skin tones. Its a much more selective dynamic grade than simply blanketing the whole thing in one color (FOTR style).

Here are some screenshots

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?p=18640581&postcount=91

You can see that there is a lot of blue in these scenes but only when appropriate, other scenes are perfectly neutral or warmer. This matches up with my recollection of the film in cinemas. Dark and moody.

These 4:3 clips below probably come from the first Home media release, struck for both the VHS and the DVD release Dec 8 1998

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVAhhVrpkwM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cku1N8eCUlo

Remember that home media transfers from this era are taken from low contrast interpositives rather than release prints. What you see here is not exactly a representative of the theatrical grade.

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#1399111
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Peter Pan, 1960 TV Movie with Mary Martin, Restored - 1080p Upscale (Released)
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Dek Rollins said:

Chewielewis said:

James76 said:

Chewielewis said:

I see projects like this and its a real shame they always deinterlace down to 30fps rather than 60fps.

Huh. I didn’t think of converting it to 60fps. I kept it at 30fps. I’ll make a 60fps version with Adobe Premiere Pro CC.

JEDIT: 60fps version created! Now I need to upload it on MEGA.NZ.

Thats no good if you are working from an already deinterlaced source. The original Youtube poster should have done that with the original tape otherwise that second field is lost permanenetly. Doing a false 60fps upscale is possible worse.

I’m not super knowledgeable about interlacing, but I thought deinterlacing involved combining both fields together, as they would originally alternate. How does that ‘lose’ the second field?

Not exactly, Deinterlacing takes one field and uses a process to fill in the other field to make a whole frame. If you do that with every even field you get 30fps, if you do it with both the even and the odd field you get 60fps.

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#1398852
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Peter Pan, 1960 TV Movie with Mary Martin, Restored - 1080p Upscale (Released)
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James76 said:

Chewielewis said:

I see projects like this and its a real shame they always deinterlace down to 30fps rather than 60fps.

Huh. I didn’t think of converting it to 60fps. I kept it at 30fps. I’ll make a 60fps version with Adobe Premiere Pro CC.

JEDIT: 60fps version created! Now I need to upload it on MEGA.NZ.

Thats no good if you are working from an already deinterlaced source. The original Youtube poster should have done that with the original tape otherwise that second field is lost permanenetly. Doing a false 60fps upscale is possible worse.

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#1397139
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Ronster said:

Centurion said:

Ronster said:

Wait for Blu ray next year…

I really doubt the colours on the blu will be different from the UHD disc. They seem to be stylistic choices by Peter Jackson, and there isn’t any huge backlash because, all in all, they are an improvement over the old blu’s.

Yeah but then you wont have to convert the HDR to SDR assuming that is another hurdle may aswell wait for the SDR Blu… Atleast that is what I meant and it will have more detail still in the majority of parts but perhaps not all especially the scrubbed scenes which is the point right?

No The new BRs will be downscales and conversions of the new 4K HDR master.

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#1391943
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44rh1n's "The Fellowship of the Ring" Extended Edition Color Restoration (Released)
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Two towers is full of that early 2000s push everything to blue or green style of digital color grading, and im not surprised that 20 years later they’ve decided not to recreate it. These regraded shots are arguably much better.

A shot like this is interesting

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?go=1&a=0&d1=5242&d2=15008&s1=48974&s2=156553&i=13&l=0

A lot of blue missing there

Other shots seem to keep the tone of the shot intact whist removing the blanket tint.

https://caps-a-holic.com/c.php?a=1&x=499&y=250&d1=15008&d2=5242&s1=156545&s2=48966&l=0&i=5&go=1

ROTK has a lot less big color washes. I havent had the chance to sit down and watch, im interested to see what their day to night grade looks in that scene where merry find pippin under the oiliphant. Looked terrible on Bluray. Also the horrendous shot of the gang meeting the pirate ships.

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#1373298
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Star Trek Deep Space Nine - NTSC DVD Restoration & 1080p HD Enhancement (Emissary Released)
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Have you considered a double TFM process.

Split the video into two TFM streams, one for upper fields, one for lower fields and then combine them to make a 59.94P stream. Any remaining combed frames will be taken care of by the TFM process.

It’s what i use in my simpsons project to deal with cadence breaks and 60i effects.

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#1372944
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THX-1138 (1st Director’s Cut) - 35mm Grindhouse Edition (Released)
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Well I saw this yesterday. An interesting experience. I had never seen the original cut.

It was the roughest print I had ever seen, red as hell, so scratched and dirty it makes 4K77 grindhouse look pristine.

Came with the Buck Rogers trailer at the top and a rather modern looking warner logo rather than a WB shield.

Got a good laugh when the officer fell of his bike and the number of active officers changed by one.

Very confusing movie, the directors cut makes a lot more sense, although I hate the CGI changes in it.

SilverWook said:

Off the top of my head, look for the extra few seconds of SEN interacting with the kids towards the end of the movie.

Scene ended at the point where he references the huge bottle of economics he had to take. Don’t think there were any extra seconds, will have to review the LD.

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#1363732
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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Genemon123 said:

I guess we could compromise on this by releasing a GOUT synced version and a theatrically synced version. There wouldn’t be many synced subtitles or audio for the theatrically synced version but at least it would be available for those who want it

No, the endless fragmentation of public releases really does a disservice to the community.

Personally I’m in favour of GOUT sync. Frames on reel changes are extended to allow for changeover, they don’t NEED to all be accounted for. But if we choose to make a new sync, commit, don’t look back.

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#1362806
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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44rh1n said:

DrDre said:

Here’s the current status of the color grading:

It’s looking really great so far!! My only note would be the pinkish blocky artifacting that seems to be present quite a bit. Maybe it’s just a limitation with the source? It doesn’t appear to be too major, but for pixel-peepers like myself it’s still noticeable.

Most likely the jpg compression used for these uploads

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#1361307
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Harmy's STAR WARS Despecialized Edition HD - V2.7 - MKV (Released)
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DrDre said:

act on instinct said:

Seeing teal artifacts in the whites.

Those are not teal artifacts. The walls of Tantive IV are a bluish green with creme colored panels. There is some artifacting in some of the shots, which will be fixed, but the walls are not supposed to be white.

Is there any evidence that the walls are supposed to appear as teal on screen. I would imagine the walls were painted teal so they would appear cool white under the tungsten set lighting.