Wow, I would love a link too!
Hal 9000 said:
For anyone who would like it, here’s the ending scene with no added music. (The video track is compressed, but the audio is not.)
Previously on /post/id/1371613 of this thread I found the end notes from the Star Wars Rebels epilogue can act as a bridge between the TFA cue and the TROS end credits to add more of the familiar jolt for those not quite satisfied with the current workprint audio. Using Hal’s shared “ending scene with no added music” and Final Cut Pro X, I added and synced the TROS end credits music with the clip, then I synced the end notes from Rebels, then I added the TFA cue. I don’t have the phenomenal TFA cue fade in from bbghost so I just did my own simple crossfade for this proof of concept. I’ve added the shared clip with my audio as well as a screenshot of what I did in FCPX to my google drive folder. https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dYFzUxQSHDRQq3m67gEhQJs8IRPJavl9?usp=sharing
Note: This isn’t meant to be used as final audio, this is only a concept/test. If someone with more audio editing wants to use my idea for their own edit/audio track go for it.
Hal 9000 said:
Hmm. I don’t really see or hear how that helps. I really don’t have any issue with what’s there, and that just sounds like a good transition with something discordant over top. Sorry, but I don’t think it’s an improvement, at least not to my ears.
I made the concept in like three minutes and I didn’t cross fade the Rey theme with the Rebels music so that’s why it sounded like “a good transition with something discordant over top”. I’ve added a cross fade to the concept track which sounds better now and added the Rebels track to the Google drive link so if any other audiophiles wants to use it to make the fade to credits transition better they can. If you don’t want to use it Hal that’s completely understandable; It was worth a shot though.
Speaking of the ending, the music transition into “Directed by JJ Abrams” still feels weird. I know it’s been discussed a lot, so sorry if it’s already been decided upon and everything. It’s, like, abrupt and there is no flow or the usual “jolt” feeling you get when the credits roll. It just feels jarring and jump cut in the audio. I’m sure it’s incredibly difficult to get a proper timing with what appears to be two seperate audio tracks, but it’s just not feeling right.
I finally found a solution to this! The epilogue from Star Wars Rebels has three notes that lead into the main SW end credits theme and the first matches the Rey/Force theme music (go to 2:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0lYWcOn3M)
I made a very quick and crude concept track with the lead in and it works! https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1dYFzUxQSHDRQq3m67gEhQJs8IRPJavl9?usp=sharing
I’ll try to find a lossless version of the Rebels music to send to Hal
EDIT: I made the concept really quickly so I added a cross fade between two of the tracks. I also added the lossless Rebels track to the Google drive link in case anyone wants to use it.
I’ve made an extended version of the musical cue for the “Rey Skywalker” moment at the end.
Took some strings and flutes from a cue in The Last Jedi and transposed them to A# which play underneath the horns until the rest of the orchestra comes in, as well as doubling that starting note and transposing it down a fifth so you get the nice complete statement of the force theme (even though it’s in a different key than usual to make it fit with Rey’s theme, which thematically I actually quite like here.)
The added A# definitely helps! If you can find it, try using a different source for the first F note. The dynamics of the first two notes go soft-loud to soft-loud in a way that sounds really artificial (at least to me).
I tried my best to eliminate the sounds of “March of the Resistance” already. Here’s the link: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1iPpp_tUBev3tFt7hAPHVohAIu9SJR4__?usp=sharing
Does anyone have an edit of Palpatine’s speech added in? I think I’d vastly prefer that against just them talking about it 😕
IIFaneditor’s version: https://vimeo.com/399876146
My version: https://vimeo.com/404134108
While I don’t think the broadcast works in this fan edit, it does have the potential to be in another. Good job idir_hh!
I showed my brother (who works in the film industry) the Naboo shot and this is what he noticed:
- The shot pans to the right but the Star Destroyer stays in one place which wouldn’t be the case if this was captured with a real camera. Use some motion tracking on the Destroyer to match the movement of the “camera” as that would greatly improve the shot.
- You can tell the smoke effect is just the same element copied on top itself, smoke doesn’t travel that fast and, smoke would never be that big at that scale. Big explosions in Star Wars don’t really have smoke to begin with so if someone has a clean plate of an actual Star Wars explosion and you used that it might look better.
- He was also put off by the lens flare because, as he said it, “There are no lens flares in Star Wars, it looks like Star Trek.” An explosion from the height of the Star Destroyer wouldn’t cause a lens flare.
- The light flash on the palace is unnecessary because the Destroyer is behind the palace (over the city of Theed) and the flash looks like the light source is from the front.
I noticed the Star Destroyer looks unnaturally fuzzy compared to the Naboo Palace. Sharpen it a little bit but try to maintain the “in the upper atmosphere” look that you’re going for.
Keep up the good work snooker, this shot is looking better and better with every version!
Ed Slushie said:
The song “Dark Knight” off Josh Aker’s soundtrack to the video game “Infinitely Blade” starts with the exact same two notes on what sounds like the same instrument.
With a quick listen it’s definitely a French horn with the same two notes. I just can’t confirm if it’s in the same key right now. If it is, I can do the edit and send it to Hal9000 later tonight.
I finally got the chance to watch the workprint in full. There are a few nitpicks I think could still be improved which I’ve listed below (sorry if I’ve repeated any rejected ideas as with over 5000 replies its hard to know what has and hasn’t been suggested):
to me this word doesn’t sound Star Wars and feels out of place with the vocabulary of the official crawls.
“chasing whispers of a hidden power that would allow him to destroy any threat to his rule…”
A better sentence could be, “chasing whispers of an old menace, determined to destroy any threat to his power…” I think Kylo is more focused on his power in the force rather than his rule as Supreme Leader. Also the crawl should have a hint of Palpatine while not directly mentioning him.
I like the line replacement but it looks like Palpatine is saying “unnatural“. Is here a way to make Palpatine’s lips match without looking off?
“I don’t want to go without your blessing but I will. I will, it’s what you would do.”
Cut the second “I will”
Change Poe’s “Yeah, I know.” to “Yeah, and we’re going with you.” The “I know” feels unnecessary.
Cut “There’s so much I want to tell you” “Tell me when you get back”
Why would Rey say this? It looks like Rey and Leia know this is their last interaction which in my opinion makes Rey’s reaction to Leia’s death not have as much weight.
Color correct the Ewok village shot to better match the Kef Bir footage or vice versa. They doesn’t feel like the same planet.
-DEATH STAR II-
Do we know the source of the tracked Darth Vader’s Death music cue? To me is it sounds like the 2004 Sony releases with the heavily compressed strings. Would it be possible to replace it with a better version (maybe abc’s salvage edition)?
I know a full version of Duel of the Fates during the Death Star duel won’t be in this fanedit but I have an idea as to how it could feel natural and not like a fanedit. DominicCobb’s edit has it perfectly just don’t start at the opening Kor-ah horn beats. Loop the string "Do-di-doodle-do"s for the first shot of Rey and Kylo fighting and the shot of Finn. Have the fight continue like DominicCobb edited until Rey lands from her force backflip and cut to this version without the music cue from Solo.
Rearrange the Medal shot from the trailer to before Leia lays down.
“The time has come.” Replace the Sith choir with the first phrase of isolated vocals from Duel of the Fates (“Kor-ah, Mah-tah”) The choir is pretty much singing the freaking first chord anyway so why not?
I just have to say HOLY CRAP THE CALL IN WAS AMAZING! What were the sources?
I really liked the subtle spin of the stars when Rey hears the voices of the past, but it could go a step further. What if when Rey hears a voice and the stars are in frame a star gets slightly brighter (kind of like when the angels from It’s a Wonderful Life talk)? Qui-Gon and Yoda have been floating lights in the animated series when communicating with just their voice so its not too far fetched of an idea to include that here.
I just noticed the updated Naboo shot from snooker. I love the shot and how much it has improved but I do think the movement of the Destroyer still needs some refining. Maybe cut the explosion and just have it fall from the sky while on fire like the other shots have.
Something that has bugged me since my first viewing; Is there a way to rescore the victory celebration as the placement of Yoda’s theme makes absolutely no sense.
The fade in of Rey’s/The Force theme sounds like an artificial fade in and not as if the horn player is naturally going from soft to loud. (I know it’s a complicated audio edit but I it could have some slight adjustment to the automation.) The fade out to the credits is good though.
To Hal9000 and everyone involved with the making of this edit, you have made something truly special. I was amazed at how much better the pacing of the film is here and I was finally able to enjoy the whole film, not just certain moments. Keep up the good work!
Hal 9000 said:
Although, while a shot LIKE that would be nice, that particular shot doesn’t particularly scream end of movie.
I think it could. Maybe try the shots like this:
- “Rey Skywalker”
- Rey and BB-8 walk to the right of the screen, noise of Falcon approaching.
- The crew in the cockpit from when leaving Ajan Kloss
- Final shot of Falcon closing in on Twin Suns/lightspeed/End.
Everything here is looking and sounding great but there are a couple things that has bothered me in the film which I think can be fixed/changed that hasn’t been mentioned.
The moment when ailing General Leia walks away and Maz Kanata tells R2 “Leia knows what must be done R2…”
Everyone reacting to Leia just stands looking at her. I suggest adding a couple “General?” or “General Organa?”s to the audio track so it doesn’t seem so awkward. Also changing R2’s beeps from sad to more neutral as it doesn’t make sense that R2 would be sad just from Leia walking away. It would also make Maz’s line a little less clunky.
Has someone thought of rescoring Yoda’s theme out of the victory celebration? While I love John Williams’ score this was the one cue that really confused me.
The final line of the film
I’ve disliked the “Rey Skywalker” line since my first viewing of the film. Because Lando’s “Well let’s find out.” is being cut, C-3PO’s “Did you hear that?” should be the final line due to the call back of the first line of A New Hope and also the final line of Revenge of the Sith (“Oh no.”). I’ve done a very rough (and I mean VERY rough) edit of taking the old woman out of the epilogue and it makes Rey taking the name of Skywalker more implied which I prefer.
Keep up the gook work to everyone involved and I cannot wait to see more of the great progress of this fanedit!
I don’t know if there would be any interest in getting and scanning the film for preservation. With how good the print appears (if the print really is from 1959 it is in really good condition) and the cool reel case it comes in though, I thought it would be worth a look.
How’s the project going? Will it be done for the 20th anniversary of TPM?
I’m still actively working on it (I found and scanned 35mm cells for each subtitle, so that I can now rotoscope those “original” subtitles instead of trying to make new ones).
The despecialization is almost done, I still have to regrade the colors.
Awesome, I can’t wait! What will your regrade colors be based from?
It’s been a while, are there any updates?
In the final video this is the section from around 3:13 to 3:34, if you can identify an official version of this music please let me know!
I just watched your recreation and I’m speechless. I saw Path of the Jedi in April 2016 at Disneyland and got chills all the way through, both back then and watching the recreation. To answer your question the music at 3:13 to 3:34 is original to PotJ and there is no where else it can be heard. Excellent work!
P.S. Is it possible you could make the version that included a section for The Force Awakens (Not the version that simply added the Sept 2015 TFA Trailer, but the 2017 one that starts with the Han Solo voiceover “Ever since Luke disappeared…”)?
This is from my 35mm print of Empire.
As for the Fox Fanfare… the fanfare was extended when CinemaScope was launched in the 1950s. It hadn’t been used for a while… but George Lucas requested it be brought back for the release of Star Wars.
The big note you hear when the enormous STAR WARS logo smashes onto the screen is in the same key, B-flat major, and was designed to come in off the back of the Fox fanfare.
So yeah, it is very attached to the Star Wars franchise.
I’m a huge music nut (especially when it is John Williams) but I didn’t know this, even though it makes total sense. So cool!
I would love to view the preview and give some feedback
While listening to the isolated score track that is available with the digital release of TLJ today, I believe I may have caught a change from the film that was released theatrically and the digital/Blu-Ray release. When seeing the film for the first time I swear I heard Yoda’s theme in the end credits. The theme is in the “Finale” track on the official soundtrack, but not in the isolated score audio track or my digital copy that I bought. Can anyone else confirm that Yoda is in the credits or am I just crazy? Also, has anyone found anything that would make the theatrical release different to the digital/blu-ray release?
I just started rewatching The Last Jedi and I had to pause it. Because during the opening prank call scene, Poe says something that I can’t believe hasn’t been nitpicked yet. “Hux… With an H?” Is anyone else bugged by that kind of thing? Star Wars has its own language but now Poe straight up addresses English letters? I feel like a massive geek but I can’t be alone here, can I? Is something like this a line you’re willing to remove, Hal?
After rewatching the film from the digital release and reading the novelization (which I recommend) Poe actually asks for “General Hugs”; that’s why Poe doesn’t respond to Hux. Basic in Star Wars does resemble our actual alphabet so the “…with an H” actually does work.
You know the issue is getting bad when Harmy himself comes and comments on the video of LDSEntertainment.
He did? I’m gonna have to dig it up. This ought to be great.
I just looked and I think ***. deleted the comment from HARMY DESPECIALIZED… wow, this guy…
Just sent my donation 😃 Keep up the good work!
I don’t know if this has been asked but NJVC have you considered making a custom prequel trilogy blu-ray set? Having episodes I,II, and III with the same menu and bonus material format that you did for the Despecialized Editions would really be awesome.
And don’t forget the Anakin force ghost with Sebastian Shaw.
Like many people I don’t have much to offer as to the restoration process but this project looks fantastic so far and I would love to be a part of the private thread to see the progress that’s being made.